Two interesting pieces of news from Japan today, and both relate to Final Fantasy XIII-2 .

As reported by Andriasang , Dengeki PlayStation has awarded the hotly anticipated sequel a perfect score: an S rating, which tops A, B, etc.

That's newsworthy enough, but there's another piece of info that will disappoint fans of the character Sazh. Although he was a playable character in FFXIII and definitely part of the main quest, it appears he will not be involved in the sequel. The translation is- " Final Fantasy XIII-2 will continue after release, so look forward to later." Hence, maybe Sazh will come back in the form of downloadable content.

Personally, I never used Sazh just because I never use characters with guns in my RPGs (unless I'm forced). It's just because I'm a sword 'n staff purist when it comes to fantasy RPGs and in my eyes, guns have no place in such an environment. It's why I experimented with every character in FFVII besides Barrett. Well, besides Barrett and Cait Sith…the other thing I can't abide is luck-based characters. Blech.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XIII-2

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godsman
godsman
9 years ago

Not to be racist, I heard from many sites that Sazh was an attempt for Square Enix to cater to Western audience. Maybe this is their way of winning back their core fan base.

Sazh is one of my favorite characters because he is the only one that has some realistic emotions. Other characters are either trying to look/act cool or more anime/manga-like. This is probably why Sazh doesn't fit in with the rest of the group. he doesn't fit into the "fantasy".

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

I'm not saying that isn't true, but Barrett was a black playable character all the way back in Final Fantasy 7.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 12/6/2011 12:52:05 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Yea given Barret in FFVII, them using Sazh to cater to westerners doesn't make sense.

reryan
reryan
9 years ago

Sazh is a very human, believable character whereas Barrett is a caricature and a stereotype in the vein of Mr. T. Not saying that is necessarily a bad thing, I like Barrett, but comparing Barrett and Sazh as representations of black characters in RPGs is kind of like apples and oranges. Sazh is a complex character who can't be compartmentalized and that may make some people uncomfortable.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

@reryan
You're looking into too much with Sahz and finding things that do not exist. Every single one of his motivations were identical to -SOME- Barret's (widower, trusty gun, cares for only child, must save the world despite wanting to settle down in peace, betrayed by government) . Barret's personality is completely explained beyond the stereotype, if you were to be educated enough in the story.

Neither are particularly strong characters. They both play support roles to the rest of the cast, and neither are strong enough to stand on their own. Neither of them have a strong enough story to follow exclusively. That fact alone is enough for my point. It's the step:1 of evaluating strong characters.

Can they stand on their own through their own narrative beyond the one important event in their lives? Or is their entire character built upon one solitary fact about themselves?

Barret at least has a deep past and is burdened emotionally by his own appearance, desperately depressed that he has such a violent appearance. (It's why he changed his gun arm before Advent Children to look more like a real arm.) He barely feels gentle enough to take care of Marlene.

Perhaps you feel that his dialogue lends itself to a stereotypical portrayal, but the plot lines that guide his story are well laid out, his motivation is deep enough through various life occurrences (not just one), and his character is so honest, that he is the sort of character that has been SHAPED into what he is now. And the audience has the tools to see it.

The best part about Barret is that very little of his development is actually spoon-fed to the audience.

Almost all of these theatrically measurable facts are absent for Sahz. By definition, he is not a strong character. Most of his character is a collage of blanks that are filled in by the assumptions of the audience… Assumptions which have no foundation of experience.

In other words, I disagree.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 12/8/2011 10:41:26 AM

Condemnedsoul23
Condemnedsoul23
9 years ago

Wonder if this will be as long as part 1. I'm going to give it a try either way.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I liked Sazh. I don't think he made it into my ulitimate party at the end because, if I remember right, he wasn't a master of any one role.

I'm game for XIII-2, no doubt. Always love all of the work that goes into presenting Final Fantasies, even if the franchise's design has seen some changes.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 12/6/2011 10:55:03 AM

cLoudou
cLoudou
9 years ago

WTH! FFXIII-3 better be all about Sazh.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

They'll bring him back for that i bet

Akuma_
Akuma_
9 years ago

They are saving him for their next FF installment….

FF: Cool Black Dude

It has been created specifically with western audiences in mind, and will involve Sazh running around a city doing various quests and stealing peoples cars, all while he is trying to make a name for himself in the city.

Pandacastro
Pandacastro
9 years ago

There not making FFXIII-3. It was a defensive measure by Square enix USA. Square enix japan didn't knew about it.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

defense against who?

Pandacastro
Pandacastro
9 years ago
Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
9 years ago

This is really sad, Sazh was a great character in XIII, okay their were a few racial stereotypes but I found his motive in search for his child one of the strongest of the cast.

I have no moral issue with using characters with guns in RPGs, Heck I used Balthier all teh way through XII as he was the only character I liked within the game.

XIII-2 getting a perfect reivew score, What this Dengeki give the 1st game? It would be interesting if they get XIII an avarage-good review and then give this a perfect review score.

As I have said I am looking forward to XIII-2, I really enjoyed XIII and am hoping this time they will show the depth the world has to offer in the story rather than the datalog.

My main issue I have with XIII-2 is Serah, I still cannot see her being lead role material, Noel seems like a side character aswell, So I just dont know what to think of it yet, no doubt I'll be picking it up day one in Feb though.


Last edited by Vivi_Gamer on 12/6/2011 11:29:57 AM

duomaxwell007
duomaxwell007
9 years ago

that sucked I liked him. though i only used him for the harder bounties that required his abilities.. but if hes not in 13-2 i hope they at least explain his absences

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
9 years ago

So is he completely missing or is he just not playable as a character, I would settle for an appearance at least.

johnld
johnld
9 years ago

well, he doesnt seem to have anything to do anymore. he got what he wanted and hes not really a significant figure to lightning.

Riku994
Riku994
9 years ago

Sazh and Fang are the only characters I can stand in FF13 >_>
Also [email protected] always making black people use guns. Good ol' family racism…

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
9 years ago

I do not agree. It is not a racist move. Look at the american culture.

Where do you think gangsta rap comes from? A white shrimp? Heck no. Look at our culture. The black people themselves enforce the image of a tough black guy with a gun having his way in life and stuff. Yes not all of them are like that. But the in the famous black people… 50cents, 2pac, snoopdog, SHAFT lol and many more.

We are used to seeing bad ass black guys with guns in music videos and on TV. Why would using this stereotype be any kind of racism??? Yes its a stereotype but it is not racist.

As soon as people talk about black people or use them in a game there are always comments like that lol. What about all those white people or chinese/asian guyz! Always so skinny in games and looking like girls (asian game guys). Why is that not racist? I bet beefed up japanese people are tired of being represented by them! … NO lol they dont give a crap.

My point is we always make a fuss for black people without reason just because they are black. I think that *that action* in itself is racist.

Riku994
Riku994
9 years ago

I was moreso making a joke/family guy reference, but Ok :/

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

Knock it off guys. That baby Chocobo needed a home. 🙂

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
9 years ago

lol sry guess I over-reacted. Been seing alot of that stuff recently xD jumped the gun a lil.

Riku994
Riku994
9 years ago

It's alright, I half expected negative backlash from my comment anyway 😛

Fabi
Fabi
9 years ago

50 cents… hehe

CrusaderForever
CrusaderForever
9 years ago

I am actually going through FFXIII right now! I am loving it! It is so different than FFVII that's for sure. The production values are in the atmosphere they are so high. Vanille is annoying but that's ok. Lightning is a great character. I like Sazh, that sucks he isn't in XIII-2. Oh well, so my February and probably March will consist of FFXIII-2 and Kingdoms of Amalur! What a great couple of months of gaming!

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Sazh turned out great despite my early skepticism, but Ben you HAD to be him since they chose the party leaders.

Anyway, happy to hear about that perfect score too, looking forward to whatever the game turns out to be, even if it isn't FF like I want it to be.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

So, like FFXIII, this looks to be a great game for those that like the new genre. But, is it an RPG? Is it a JRPG? Above all is it a FF JRPG?

That's what some fans are waiting to find out.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

At this point I don't care. I'm through with Final Fantasy XIII. Even if this is FFVII reincarnated, Hammer Pants ruined it for me.

dillonthebunny
dillonthebunny
9 years ago

anyone know if this will be another corridor RPG or will it start like FFIV finished in a more open world scene?

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

It will in fact be more open. The killtubes/corridors are history. I also heard you can swap out characters mid battle, and that the paridigm shifts have been improved so you no longer take any damage while shifting paridigms.

The last time I checked you had no choice but to play as Sazh in FF13 at times.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 12/6/2011 1:09:31 PM

saintaqua
saintaqua
9 years ago

Sazh was a strong character due to the storyline around his son, but as a playable character he wasn't so good.
I can see why he won't be in XIII-2 though. Give the man a break and let him have some peace time with his kid. 🙂

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

He was sort of the G-rated version of Barret. Which wasn't all that interesting, anyways.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Agreed.

Yukian
Yukian
9 years ago

Are "S" scores in that magazine rare? I don't know anything about Dengeki…

And not having Sazh on the sequel is a big let down… he was the most human sounding character of all. :/

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

I don't know any human that talks like him. Nor do I know anyone who has animals living in their hair. I appreciated the family man side of him, however.

But you know… if I was in a life or death situation… I wouldn't be trying to shoot the enemy by shooting from behind my head so often.

mike rlz
mike rlz
9 years ago

Not a gun fan either…. Oops I got shot a few times. Lost a little health. lol

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I just pretend that in JRPGs they are primitive guns that don't work like ours and the bullets just batter the enemy.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Claire, ahem Lightning, had a gun too… just sayin'.

johnld
johnld
9 years ago

i loved squall's gunblade more, you can actually fire a round while slashing.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

yeah that was cool.

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
9 years ago

I don't remember Squall ever using th gun part of the gunblade… other than the handle.

Zen_Zarab
Zen_Zarab
9 years ago

Well, got no reason to at least try FF13-2 now.

xXxSeTTriPxXx
xXxSeTTriPxXx
9 years ago

i used Sazh a lot, as he was the best synergist and was the first to get the best buffs (haste alone made him a main stay in my party).

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

"I never used Sazh just because I never use characters with guns in my RPGs (unless I'm forced)."

I never used him either though it wasn't because of the guns.

Balthier> Vicent> Barret> Sazh.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

Even Balthier didn't have to use a gun, though. You could give him a staff or samurai sword if you wanted to.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Yea but he started with a gun and was best suited for projectile weapons. They were his strong point of you will.

Alienange
Alienange
9 years ago

I wasn't aware Andriasang was accepting bribes.

johnld
johnld
9 years ago

perfect score….. doesnt matter to me anymore. i know it wont be final fantasy anyway. i'll wait to a price drop, a big one. i just cant stand stories left without seeing the end. i'm borrowing modern warfare 3 for that reason.

i think the only reason i used sazh was to fight the giant cactuar. thats because he kept backing up when he attacked making him out of the cactuars range. had at least one medic with all spells and beaten him no problem.

Teddie9
Teddie9
9 years ago

For the little time I played the game Sazh and Fang were the only characters that I cared for. I guess a perfect score is a good thing though – maybe this one can work some of that ff magic.

Warrior Poet
Warrior Poet
9 years ago

I don't know if racism in the anime/manga aesthetic exists. I mean, almost all anime figures are white even though they're usually supposed to be Japanese people.