The best shooter, that is.

While both Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 are great, and we definitely love Killzone 3 and Resistance 3 , we have to admit that in all fairness, RAGE may be the front-runner for Best Shooter of 2011. Played it yet?

Some critics didn't like the story, while others called it repetitive, neither of which I necessarily agree with. Well, the story really wasn't a high point but due to the structure of that game, which absolutely was not linear and cinematic in style like KZ3 or R3, we didn't really need a compelling narrative. It was all about the gameplay and atmosphere and in our eyes, it totally succeeded on almost every possible level. There's a little too much emphasis on vehicles and driving but besides that, the adventure is an absolute blast.

And for those of you going, "eh, it doesn't really deliver anything new," you have to be careful with that accusation because it can be applied to many of your favorite games. Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception didn't really do anything "new," either, and many consider it to be the lead candidate for Game of the Year. In fact, as we haven't seen The Last Guardian yet and Heavy Rain was last year, we don't have a heck of a lot of innovation and originality this year. The best games are simply refinements and improvements on tried-and-true formulas.

Side note- Catherine is a noteworthy exception.

And you know, there's nothing wrong with making something better. It's sort of how any business thrives. In my view, RAGE is just fantastic, and it was what Borderlands should've been. It has that addictive quality that keeps you coming back for more (the RPG style of obtaining and completing quests in a relatively free environment is essential), and the gameplay really couldn't be much better. We also maintain, despite the naysayers that pick at the textures as if it's some deal-breaking mess, that RAGE is the best-looking game of 2011…with the exception of Uncharted 3 , of course.

But it's close. There were plenty of great shooters this year. We're not saying RAGE is a definitive winner (note the word "might" in the headline); we just want it to get the attention and respect it so richly deserves.

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Cpt_Geez
Cpt_Geez
10 years ago

I'm going to pick up rage for $29.99 best buy on black friday.

cLoudou
cLoudou
10 years ago

I have read that Target has them at $29.99 now.

Cpt_Geez
Cpt_Geez
10 years ago

Cool I will get it tomorrow if target still has any available.

GuardianMode
GuardianMode
10 years ago

While I liked Rage the ending was a total let down. I expected more but then the game ended. When the credits began to roll I just sat there dumbfounded. Overall the game was good but it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
10 years ago

Sounds like my first time. 😉

Underdog15
Underdog15
10 years ago

Not me. I was sure my first time was something good and memorable.

firesoul453
firesoul453
10 years ago

uhhh…. does Deus Ex count?? IGN thinks it counts as a shooter….

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

IGN fails then

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
10 years ago

What? Who's running things over there, anyway?

Douchebaguette
Douchebaguette
10 years ago

It is. Have you not heard the Yahtzee review? It's an action game with RPG elements.

Now the FIRST Deus Ex however, was a proper action RPG.

=P.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
10 years ago

I'm playing Deus Ex now & I'm having a blast…just reached the police Station for a little snatch & grab

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

be careful, apparently a former cop inside a police station is grounds for being shot on sight.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

Not necessarily – I completed the cop station mission without getting chased at all. There are several ways to solve that one… Not saying more than that. 😉

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
10 years ago

World,
I'm in.
I've made it all the way down to the morgue so far, but haven't actually gotten inside it yet.

I had to quit at that point cause I was so damned exhausted, that I was starting to see everything in triplicate by then.

Boombeam,

***SPOILER ALERT****

I did it on stealthy, but I still managed to get myself killed 2 times(on one of them, I had the timing wrong of one of the detectives patrolling the hallway, so as I turned the corner to sneak past him him, I wound up surprised to be smack dab in his face….so 1 dead me)


Last edited by BikerSaint on 11/21/2011 12:37:20 PM

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

I guess this DE topic is better suited for the forums, but:

***SPOILER ALERT****

Unless I am horribly mistaken I found another entrance to the Police station, one that made the distance to the goal much shorter and I could easily just exit through there too. At least that's how I remember it. At first I tried the most obvious way but at some point or another all hell broke loose. Then I did it some other way and found that way to be a lot easier.


Last edited by Beamboom on 11/21/2011 1:26:59 PM

Shams
Shams
10 years ago

I personally can't say much about Rage, as I haven't played through it, yet, but Uncharted 3 left me awestruck, especially in the later levels. I'd say the sand levels and sea levels of Uncharted 3 ( and even the snow levels of KZ3 ) puts the graphics issues the rest. But, unless Rage isn't hiding an ace up the sleeve in later levels like the other games do, I'll have to play through it before I pass judgement.

What I've heard of Rage is that it's less of a shooter and more of an RPG lite, much like the mentioned Borderlands, and even Fallout 3, and even ME/ME2, albeit, less so. I've heard the ending was a let down (though I kinda experienced that with KZ3 and particularly with R3 as it was the end of a 5 year story arch), but the other shooters including even Crysis 2, had stories interesting enough to want to play through further.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

I'm gonna bargain bin Rage when I have time.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
10 years ago

Same here. There are so many games out there right now and not enough time to enjoy them all.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

I havnt played RAGE yet, and unfortunately I probably won't. Much as I hate it Im only getting games from now on I know I'm gonna enjoy playing. I just don't have the money cus of school, and honestly I bought BF3, Uncharted 3, and MW3, 3 weeks in a row, and I just didn't have time to enjoy each one fully except Uncharted 3, I put all my time into that one, still am too! As we all know there are tons of other games that have released since then too.

Anyways, but I haunt heard much about RAGE except here about how good it is. A lot of what I'm hearing is that it starts great and slowly gets bad. Thats not what I want in a game.

Ben, you saying that Borderlands should have been what RAGE is makes me interested because Borderlands Is one of my favorites. But I think I'd have a hard time agreeing with you based on what I've heard about RAGE. But that's not even important until I play it. Maybe I'll ask for it for Christmas but then again maybe not. I do however want to play it at some point. Maybe after I get Skyrim this week.


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 11/20/2011 10:49:44 PM

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
10 years ago

i gotta disagree with ben. though i loved borderlands, there are things that could have been much better in borderlands. That being said, its not what borderlands should have been unless you're talking updated visuals.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

Glad you clarified. Cus I love borderlands despite it's short-comings. That being said, the game is just fun and has some Of the best co-op ever implemented! I thought Borderlands was great. I appreciate your input!


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 11/21/2011 1:01:18 AM

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

I loved Borderlands too – the sequel next year is an obvious d1p for me because of the coop. It's on my top 5 coop list along with games like Saints Row, Skate and Burnout Paradise.

Still I completely understand what Ben is saying cause the similarities are *so* apparent. I also understand the references to Fallout that so many reviewers mention.

Also please note, I am a sucker for a good story. Always has been. I don't even *care* that much about the graphics if the story and atmosphere is good enough.
It's just that Rage is on a completely different *planet* when it comes to the graphics. To talk about story with a game like this, who is *all* about the utterly impressive gameplay and environment, well it just is to completely misunderstand the game. It is like complaining about the lack of character creation in Heavy Rain.

I gotta say: You need to play Rage. You just have to SEE it. Really, if you lived in my neighbourhood I'd run over to you right now with my copy.

Anonymous
Anonymous
10 years ago

It was this website's coverage of RAGE that got me to take the plunge on October 4 and I haven't been disappointed. RAGE is a fun and exciting shooter. I like the idea of being able to resurrect yourself when you go down, the many weapons and gadgets and the gorgeous graphics. There's always a lot to do, from racing to collections.

The only flaws are that the loading times, even after giving up nearly 8 GB 0f space, are still lengthy. Also, while it's easy to find locations, it is sometimes confusing to find where you're supposed to go inside the towns.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
10 years ago

I got used to the towns. Do a lot of the side-quests and stick around for a while, and they'll be easier. They are strangely constructed, though.

And yeah, the load times were way too long.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

Yeah the resurrection is a genius detail, much better than the traditional respawning in these kind of games. Also the wire lines to slide on, instead of the typical "one way doors" found in other shooters when the devs want to force you out of a part of the map, was such a clever touch.


Last edited by Beamboom on 11/21/2011 7:21:47 AM

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Rage felt like half a game with a terrible story and even worse ending where as BF3 feels like a complete package so I have to disagree.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
10 years ago

Maybe you didn't read the part where you're not really supposed to compare narrative-driven games to games that don't rely on the story.

I'm not about to compare inFamous and L.A. Noire, even though they technically fall into the same category of open-world action/adventure.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

See this is what I'm talking about in my comment above. I think at one point Jawknee you had said or told me that you were enjoying it. Now after hearing you have finished it you seem disappointed in it. That's why I'm struggling to pick it up.

On second thought Jawknee I may have asked you about the graphics and not the story or gameplay. I don't remember, maybe you recall?

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

They both at least had compelling narratives. They approach things very differently but at least they are good. Rage just seemed completely halfassed. The gameplay is fun no doubt but that wasn't enough for me. I liked the game more than I didn't but it is one of those games I will have a hard time pickup again because it just feels incomplete. I guess I just don't like games that don't focus on narritive unless they're competitive multiplayer.

Railer, the graphics are good and the gameplay is fun, it just left me wondering what happened to the rest of it. It's as of they made the graphics and gameplay the best they possibly could then just through together a weak story because they had too tie it all together somehow.


Last edited by Jawknee on 11/20/2011 11:25:27 PM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
10 years ago

I don't get it. It's like playing Unreal Tournament and wondering where the story is.

It isn't quite THAT extreme, but RAGE just isn't story-driven. You can't knock a game for something it never even tried to do. It had a story, certainly, and it could've been better, but I can't imagine anyone playing it for the sake of the narrative.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

Thanks for the info Jawknee.

I'm just not sold on it yet. I like a good story for sure, and I guess games like BF3, MW3 and KZ3 have good enough stories to keep my mind in the game. If RAGE has that on top of great gameplay and graphics then it's probably a buy for me. But again that'll be after Skyrim.


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 11/21/2011 1:08:31 AM

___________
___________
10 years ago

so its ok for RAGE to have a pathetic story, but NFS the run, a series which has always had poor stories, a genre which always has had poor stories is not?

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
10 years ago

Thing is, most of the time when a fps game isnt story driven, its normally due to its multiplayer aspects. In Rage's case, its mainly a single player game. Thats really the main attraction here. Which is why some gamers ding it for its horrible story.

To me, it just plays like a really good looking tech demo. As if to say 'hi, we id games, and this is what we are capable of doing' It just never felt like they cared about its storyline

Shams
Shams
10 years ago

UT is all about mp, more along the lines of MW3 and BF3, so I agree with Aaron. I suppose Rage would be more like Borderlands and Fallout, however, for it's game length (12-20 hrs), it has even less of an excuse for lacking a compelling story.

Heck, imo, even Demon's/Dark Souls suffered a bit for being almost too threadbare despite being a couple of the most atmospheric games of this generation. And truth be told, the only misgivings I had about R3 and KZ3 was that stories were weaker than previous entries.

IMO, if a game isn't a racer, a sports game, a puzzler, or a music game, it's gonna require story, and a good one at that.

StevieRV
StevieRV
10 years ago

couldnt get into rage, mw3 is like a mw2 map pack, and bf3 is really glitchy on pc at least, havent played the ps3 version though

but yeah, id say kz3 or bf3 for shooter of t5he year imo

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
10 years ago

Its a fun game, the AI on it is fairly good. But its fails as a title that asks for full price admission.

I didnt mind that the story was total crap, until the game ended when it seemed like it was actually getting into it. Won't even mention the last fight.

Honestly, gameplay wise if you are talking the complete package, Both BF3 and MW3 are way ahead of this game

It looks good graphically, but what an excessive amount of texture pop in it has.

I think what a lot of gamers, myself included, came away thinking from it was '……wait a minute, whats with the credits rolling? oh thats it?'

If you have the option to rent this, Thats probably ur best bet with this game. the extra sewer missions for buying it new? not really all that game breaking since there are only a couple of missions it brings


Last edited by aaronisbla on 11/20/2011 11:59:37 PM

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

"excessive amount of texture pop in it has" -> Aha! This reminded me of something!

I was out of town this weekend, and brought with me my copy of Rage since there was a ps3 where we went and I just had to show that game to them.
When we started playing, I did notice the textures very often go from low, to mid, to finally the high resolution. It could happen on anything, the background, your car, the immediate surroundings, especially when entering a new map somewhere.
I was like,
– "wtf? It wasn't like this back home? Or is it just me noticing better since I am demonstrating it to others?"

Then when I got back home again last night I started the game at my place again, and sure enough: The popins were all gone! I really paid attention and a couple of times I *imagined* there was a small popin of some mountainside in the far background, but that was it.
The game ran silk smooth just like I remembered it, and looked absolutely *stunning* (I got a better TV too so that made it look even better, but that's irrelevant here).

But the moral of this story must be: On a disk heavy game like this, your experience with the game depends heavily on your disk drive.
The drive had been replaced on both ps3 I've tried the game on, but while on my system I got a fairly new disk from a good brand, the other ps3 had a older, and I suspect quite cheap disk installed.
That is the *only* difference between our machines, so that just has to be it.
It might be the disk speed, or the owner had written and deleted a lot of files on the disk so it got fragmented and the game might have had to save the files across the entire disk.

I believe this to be an important experience to notice as it to some degree must be of relevance to *every* hard-disk based game out there. One player may experience more lag than another, and they both may be right.


Last edited by Beamboom on 11/21/2011 6:35:57 AM

ulsterscot
ulsterscot
10 years ago

Got this for the PC when it came out – haven't really had a change to play it very much (likely won't till xmas) Vehicle controls seem a bit wobbly from the few minutes i did play. It certainly looks fantastic on the PC.

___________
___________
10 years ago

saying RAGE is the best looking game of this year is like saying dame edna is the best looking celebrity!
come on!
so much screen tearing, really low texture resolution, extremely washed out, really low AA, so much pop in im starting to believe my PC has magically turned into a 40 year old phone!
that deserves best looking game of the year!?
crysis 2 looked a thousand times better then RAGE!
think this looks good, go grab the witcher 2 it will make you think you have entered a new millennium.
the witcher 2 did exactly what crysis 2 and RAGE should of done.
it blew everyone out of the park!
id has always released games and has shown what games would look like in years to come.
theres heaps of games out last year, let alone this year that look better then RAGE!
same goes for crysis 2.

best shooter, but definitely not best game.
IF it had looked like a propper id game, IE does what every id game does, give you a glimpse of the future then maybe id say best of the year.
its not though.
thats what disappointed me about RAGE, i still remember picking up doom 3 and just staring at the scenery it was so beautiful!
hell, the f*cking HD mods for doom 3 look better then RAGE!
how does that work?
how can a game released in 2004 and modded in 2011 look better then a game, on a brand new engine?
a id tech 4 game looks better then a id tech 5 game.
what the?

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

Check my reply to aaronisbla above. If you had all those issues with the game, it's due to your hardware.

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
10 years ago

Edit the config file so you can access the hi-res textures. Then it'll look a ton better then the low-res ones that are used by default. Almost looks like two different games once you've done this. It's not that hard to do.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

Ah you talk about the PC version. My bad.

___________
___________
10 years ago

already did that did not help.
dont need to any more either,id released a patch that lets you choose how many page textures you want.
there not unlocking properly though, with the lowest page texture and highest i get the exact same performance and the game looks exactly the same.
theres a bug in the megatexture tech, john said its driver related shortly after the game came out.
even if you do have the hardware to unlock the 18K pages, even if you do select them, you will still get the standard textures due to a bug not letting them unlock properly.
its not just the texture resolution though, the lighting is really inconsistent, the whole world looks so washed out.
thats my pet gripe with almost every game this gen, everything just looks so washed out!
no matter what i do with my TV settings, it still looks like a painting painted with .1% paint and 99.9% water, just looks crap!
even playing around with the command prompts, adjusting FOV, texture pages, did not really help much.
nice to see the dev console actually available in a PC game for a change, most developers lock it out!

i really hope mods come quick and fast for this, its a prime candidate for mod support.
seeing what the community has done with crysis 2, i mean the DX11 patch crytek released looked awesome, but the updated textures and patches the community brought out made cryteks look like childs play!
shame, skyrim has been out 10 days and it has a million mods for it already!
RAGE has been out for over a month, and nothing really.
🙁
oh well, hopefully id will release the source code soon like they did doom 3, then that should help ignite the fire.
what, one can dream cant he?
its so depressing seeing a 2004 game make a 2011 game look like a 1990 game!


Last edited by ___________ on 11/21/2011 9:07:40 AM

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Beam why would one PS3 have texture pop in and another doesn't? They're the same hardware and architecture and operate the same way. It's claims like this that make me suspect you're reaching for an excuse to claim this game is the best game you have ever seen because of your bias against exclusives.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

Read my reply to aaronisbla just above here, Jawk (the long post). The clue is the quality/speed of the hard drive. I have seen with my own eyes what a difference it made.


Last edited by Beamboom on 11/21/2011 11:40:58 AM

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

I read your long post and it makes no sense. So one PS3 is faster than another even though they are the same hardware?

The only thing that might make a difference is if one HDD ran at 5400rpms and the other at 7200rpms. Thing is the PS3 was built for a 5400rpm HDD so in the end I'm not sure it would really make a difference.


Last edited by Jawknee on 11/21/2011 11:47:11 AM

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

It's not the same hardware because it's not the same disk drive! Can't you see?

Have you ever defragged a hard drive on a PC and experienced the difference? It can make a *huge* difference. And one thing is the rpm, another thing is the time the heads need to seek the disk surface (get in position). And the size of the disk matter too – especially with the fat fileformat. There *is* a difference also between disks with the same rpm. Just like most other mechanical things, there are good and bad quality also amongst hard drives.

And I know what I saw: On one of the ps3 there was a good amount of texture popups. On the other it's close to non existent. The difference was so obviously apparent that there's no way I could have been mistaken there.


Last edited by Beamboom on 11/21/2011 12:00:29 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

I'm sorry but I just don't believe you. No one is making the claim that the game doesn't have a texture pop in problem across all platforms except you. The game installs 8gb on the HDD, most of it is running off that and not streaming from the Blue Ray disk. Your HDD may be faster or better or what ever but the fact still remains that the factory hardware inside the PS3 still remains the same as well as its ability to translate what is being read off your faster drive to the TV screen.


Last edited by Jawknee on 11/21/2011 12:34:38 PM

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

I wish there was a way I could record the two screens and just show you. I am 100% sure without a shadow of doubt that there was an apparent difference between the two. On that other machine the texture pop-ups were far too often to be ignored.

The problem can not be how the data is handled once it's read off the disk. There you are right, the hardware is 100% equal so how could that be. The whole point is up until it's read. I can't explain it in more detail than that, but I highly suspect the issue here to be more related to defragmentation/full disk than actual native read speed.

Start the game on your ps3 and keep an eye on the hard drive light on the ps3. It lights up the very second you move and stays on continuously while you move. Stop and stand still, and the drive light will wind down and stop too after a short while. Then touch any analogue stick, and it's right back on. This game read files *continuously* when you do something.

I mean, why would I lie about this? What on earth would there be to gain for me from that? I know what I saw here, and this might be of value to be aware of also with other games.


Last edited by Beamboom on 11/21/2011 1:12:22 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Apologies, I didn't mean to imply that you're a liar. Only that you want to believe so badly that this game is so superior you're willing to ignore its flaws at all costs with any excuse. It's quite possible that you just didn't notice it when you got home because there are some areas of the game where it's is less of a problem than others. But it is a problem nonetheless. No other game this gen has presented this amount of pop in so frequently. Not even Unreal games. You turn a corner, go back and the textures have to load again. There is a consensus on this and that is why I have a hard time believing some how your PS3 is running the game better than others.