For the third generation in a row, I would say Sony has emerged as the front-runner in terms of overall software quality and variety. But all three generations got off to somewhat rocky starts; perhaps the worst was the most recent.

I've said it before: the only reason I got the PlayStation 3 on launch day was because I needed it for work purposes. Left to my own devices, I really had no intention of shelling out $600 for a system that didn't have many games I desperately wanted. Blu-Ray hadn't won the HD format war yet, the PlayStation Network was in its infancy stages, and there were some reliability questions. I remembered working at EB during the PS2 launch, and there were definite issues when new owners tried to stand their new systems vertical. Also, let's not forget that PS3 availability was atrocious at launch. I mean, 6 per store in many places?

As it currently stands, I've got about 75 PS3 games, Blu-Ray is the only HD format, the Network remains free and in my eyes, offers just about everything you get with Live, and I've had two PS3s, neither of which hiccuped even once. And if I were to list the top 10 games of the generation, I'd say at least five or six would be PlayStation 3 exclusives. But you know, Sony may not learn from history…they're trying to say they have learned by delaying the launch of the PlayStation Vita for the sake of a lot of launch software.

The question remains, however- do you think Sony will repeat the same mistakes when the PS4 launches? As in, too pricey, not enough games, quite simply not enough features to warrant the price, and an almost complete lack of availability? It'd be hard to believe they'd do it all over again with the PS4, but who knows?

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InBlackestNight
InBlackestNight
10 years ago

I would like to hope they've learned. Set up a launch library of: Uncharted 4, MGS 5, GT 5, LBP 3, and maybe a new God of War. Set the price to $300-400. Every store gets 15-25 units. DO NOT launch near a holiday. Launch in April, May or June. That would be more than successful, the war would be over.

Also, don't dare change the controller Sony.

Ydobon
Ydobon
10 years ago

Why not? Especially if they keep the traditional format of the controller added with some innovative stuff. In this way everybody wins. Which I think they will do because they don't want to be a thing of the past.

Dualshock 4 is probably going to be exactly like its predecessor with some added touch functions.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

Don't change the controller Sony!

Adding additional stuff like the six-axis is just a bonus, don't ever change the controller or buttons though!


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 11/13/2011 11:39:35 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

I'd like better triggers, I enhanced mine with some clip-ons but I don't like the default ones that your fingers slip off.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

I don't have that issue. But since Sony insists they are triggers, might as well give the back of them a lip and make it so your finger sits inside the trigger buttons rather than on top.

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
10 years ago

I think it would be a bad idea to launch that many popular titles at once. Pacing is everything. People already dont like how 90% of AAA games come out in the fall, why lump them all into one day?

AcHiLLiA
AcHiLLiA
10 years ago

I do have concave clip-ons on my L2 and R2 buttons too, to prevent finger slip, don't like the default way where it slopes down 45 degrees.

Sony does have to change that. I'd say keep it the same way as the Dualshock 2 with sixaxis/rumble and make the controller arms a little longer cause I have big hands. I can palm a NBA size basketball if my hands r not sweaty.


Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 11/14/2011 11:35:18 AM

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
10 years ago

Idk, i've never had a problem with the "triggers." I find that my thumbs slip off the sticks every once in a while, especially during the more tense sections of Dark Souls. The triggers dont give me any trouble.

Underdog15
Underdog15
10 years ago

I don't have any issues whatsoever.

But then I have freak thumbs… no really… the middle joint is fused and I can only bend them at the base.

0.o

Yukian
Yukian
10 years ago

I think they learned the lesson. At least with the Vita, we know that it'll be very cheap…

I can't say much about the introductory games 'cause I haven't heard or read much about them… :/

Shams
Shams
10 years ago

I think the developer-friendly design of the Vita, the early proliferation of it amongst developers, and their positive feedback is a very positive indication that Sony is learning from their mistakes. Sony could've been complacent riding off the reigns of ps2's success. But, after playing catch up for a good part of this generation, change in management, and some serious introspection in the midst of global, financial turmoil, I'm sure Sony will do alright.

jaybiv
jaybiv
10 years ago

The main lesson they hopefully learn is to be first in market. They gave MS too much of a headstart. If MS beats them to market again, Sony had better be no more than three months behind. Sony is going to have the technology advantage mainly due to blu ray. If they can get to market first, hopefully they can become the lead system for game development.

Btw Ben, I dropped about $2,700 total in one day when I got my 3 in Dec '06. A 60 gb, new 57" DLP, three controllers, hdmi cable, Madden, Resistance, Tiger Woods, COD 3, Marvel Alliance and NBA 2K7. Most fun I've ever had spending that much money.

xnonsuchx
xnonsuchx
10 years ago

I don't think price will be as big an issue and would predict the PS4 launch price will be $399.99.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

That would be an OK price, considering inflation though, it doesn't really leave much room for tech in the box. There was a reason the PS3 cost $500/$600 to buy (and $800/$900 or more to make) at launch. I just hope that Sony doesn't wimp out on improving the console in order to make it to market faster.

xnonsuchx
xnonsuchx
10 years ago

I'm thinking that they would start off selling at a loss, but things like BD drives and fast RAM are cheaper than they were in 2006, so it kinda depends on CPU/GPU costs. I wouldb't be surprised if it was up to $100 more, but I just think they'd want to keep it as far below $500 as possible.

Douchebaguette
Douchebaguette
10 years ago

They definately won't, but I also fear they may go overboard and be the complete opposite…

…which is what Microsoft did this gen, and we definately wouldn't want that. Doubt it though, as Sony always wish to deliver an all round high standard of quality; they've probably analysed and evaluated all mistakes from all three corporations and set for the porridge that is juussst riight.

ulsterscot
ulsterscot
10 years ago

offer an alternative Western adult sized controller

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

You must be a giant, to say that.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

You aren't supposed to hold it the way you do a 360 one, place it at the top of your hands and let your palms keep cool.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

How about a western xenophobe one?

Wendell
Wendell
10 years ago

I am a big guy with big hands and I like the DS3 just the way it is. Don't change a thing.

Qubex
Qubex
10 years ago

Lol Bigrailer…. 🙂

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

TheCrazyMerc
TheCrazyMerc
10 years ago

I'm pretty sure they have learned from their mistakes, one example is the PSVita.

ulsterscot
ulsterscot
10 years ago

add an option on the xmb to allow remapping of all the controller buttons – hell id pay $600 for that option alone.

well maybe $550

backwards compatability with ps3 games in essential

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
10 years ago

Why is it essential to play PS3 games? Everyone thought the same about playing PS2 games on the PS3 and now where are all those people? Ya they're playing PS3 games. I'll be getting the PS4 for PS4 games.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

I agree LV. I certainly will still have my PS3 when the PS4 comes out. After my 60GB PS3 died, I didn't even miss the backwards compatibility. Not to mention I only played a couple PS2 games on it anyways. GoW2 I did for sure and maybe Socom.

firesoul453
firesoul453
10 years ago

If they use an improved version of the cell processor, then they will probably have backwards compatibility because it will be relatively easy to do with at virtually no cost.

If they don't use the cell they probably won't add backwards compatibility directly, but I bet that if not, they will have an addon or something for like $100 for backwards compatibility.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

I don't think it's absolutely essential for BC to be there. But I think it's a very, very good idea to include it. I think that the expense of game development, especially for smaller software houses is a significant factor in the choice of technology. Allowing developers to extend their existing PS3 experience with the PS4 would make a lot of sense financially.

Also, we are beginning to collect boxes, PS2, PS3 and a new PS4 all to play PS games? I think it is important that the next Playtsation home console be PS3 backwards compatible because is is entirely possible it will be the last generational change of console.

What I mean is that the PS4 may be the last console that is a substantial leap from it's predecessor and that future consoles will be evolutions of existing systems, iterative change and upgrades instead of a brand new system every 6 years, think updated capability every 3. The console will play the same games, but the visual quality will depend on the exact configuration of console. The games will be written the same way and be the same executable, they will simply scale themselves depending on the console hardware available.

I think having a PS4 that uses Cell technology and another nVidia GPU (assuming that's the way they go) will feed directly into this with the PS4 being able to play PS3 games, and PS3 developers being able to easily move up to the new system, and even making their PS4 games scalable so that the visually inferior version can be sold on PS3, and the full spec on the PS4 with a price premium for the full spec version. They wouldn't be the same executable, but different compilations of the same game. The PS3 version might limit visuals to 30fps 720 resolution (or lower) – for example, where the PS4 version can run at full 1080p60 with 3D.

Whatever the differential, it needs to be a different executable to prevent haxx0rs from simply chipping the PS3 version to run on a PS4 with full resolution. But doing this would grandfather all PS3s into the next generation, and yet still provide a good reason to upgrade, especially if the PS3 becomes feature locked and only receives security updates and bug fixes.

Also the PS4 needs to be capable of near total PS2 backwards compatibility (and I would throw in PSP compatibility – not Vita). If Sony can manage that, then the PS4 becomes that one system to buy because it handles PS1, PS2, PSP, PS3 and PS4 games. Technologically it should have no trouble with this.

If you make the Ps4 100% backwards compatible to the PS3, you have to make a compelling reason to upgrade from the PS3. Giving PS4 backwards compatibility for everything except PS Vita games provides an extraordinarily good reason to upgrade, even if PS3 remains on the market. The backwards compatibility with the PS3 also provides a huge comfort factor for gamers since they will not have to re-purchase all their games, nor throw away that existing investment.

AcHiLLiA
AcHiLLiA
10 years ago

I agree, if the PS4 is fully BC, will see better sales hopefully.

Ydobon
Ydobon
10 years ago

Full backwards compatibility probably isn't a essential, but it is a nice feature regardless. Leaves your room less cluttered and you have access to another gaming library with a different, better machine!

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
10 years ago

I want BC too.
Since I'm also a gaming collector, as well as being a gamer, I'm always buying(& playing) PS2 games & I never realized how much I really would miss my phat Princess's B/C until she was murdered by an A-hole of the US Postal Buffoons & I only had a Slim with a PS2 Slim sitting along side it for a few months. I guess it was just force of habit(and wishful thinking) but for those few months, I kept forgetting & kept trying to popping my new PS2 games into my PS3 slim.

And that's one of the big reasons why I recently went out & bought ANOTHER 60GB(refurbed), & then promptly put a 750 HD into her.

And since my 320 Move bundle slim is already sporting a nice new Phat 1T HD in her, all I can say is I love that I've now got 2 gigantic fatties, just lounging their butts off, in my household!


Last edited by BikerSaint on 11/14/2011 12:54:23 PM

Ydobon
Ydobon
10 years ago

bike, which is better western digital or seagate for a hdd? And is your ps3 running fine with that 1tb installed?

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
10 years ago

Coffeya,

I put a Western Digital 1T in my slim & also a WD 750 into my old 60GB Phattie, plus I've also put a Samsung 750 into an earlier PS3, all with zero problems.
For myself, I usually stick with WD because I can find better deals & sales on them more often than the other brands.

BTW, the HD brands that Sony had put into them originally were Seagate's, Samsung's, & Toshiba's.

So whichever you wind up using, it shouldn't be a problem, as long as you stick with one of these name brands

StevieRV
StevieRV
10 years ago

i dont know about you guys, but in 20 years i want to still be using the exact same controller, well shape and button layout at least, things like sixaxis and stuff is extra

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

Exactly, some things just work, like a keyboard layout, a piano, guitar. Do we change the string or key layout on musical instruments from generation to generation? Do we swap the accelerator and brake pedals around ever decade or so? Of course not, because these are standard layouts that people are familiar with. I think that the DS3, like the DS2 and DS and other PlayStation controllers before it, is a de-facto standard and you mess with it at your peril.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

Personally I think we will see the PS4 have a great launch. There is no reason the PS4 should be expensive as in $500-$600. We all know the major reason for this price for the PS3 was the blu-ray and backwards compatibility. Now that the costs have gone down, the PS4 will probably be a cool $400, and Sony probably will Start making profits much much sooner!


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 11/13/2011 11:37:14 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

PS3's major costs were the Cell, RSX, XDR memory, BluRay and the completely new case/motherboard.

Even if Sony uses a development of the Cell, it will be costly to make at first, as will the GPU. The BluRay drive will be substantially cheaper, the cost of BluRay players at the time of the PS3 was so high that there were really no players below the price point of the PS3. That said, I anticipate that the cost of the BluRay components in the PS4 will be less than 1/6 of what they cost in the PS3, so that is a major cost reduction. I am hoping that because of this the actual cost to build for the PS4 will be in the $500-$600 range, which would allow Sony to sell the PS4 for something like $400. The cost of semiconductors will shrink with each process generation, so Sony knows that the initial build cost will shrink to a profitable point more quickly because the PS4 will not also have the cost of BluRay components to contend with.

In the PS4 we will see, commodity RAM, commodity video RAM, commodity BluRay, commodity motherboard components for BlueTooth, ethernet and other standard features, commodity HDD/SSD. The CPU/GPU are likely to be a bit more exotic, and perhaps even the cooling system and case. Other than that though, they should be able to take advantage of commodity pricing.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

The only thing that could go awry is the launch lineup. If MS's new system forces them to push their time schedule up things could be sparse. Otherwise with PSN already great, Home very popular, the technology mostly understood by developers, and a plethora of exclusive franchises now established I think the PS4 should be good to go. Just gotta watch that price too.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

Price should be fine this time around. Blu-ray was a major factor in the PS3' pricing. Let's hope there's B/C and that a sort of PS3 emulator isn't going to be a burden on the price either, like the PS2 B/C was.

Russell Burrows
Russell Burrows
10 years ago

PS4
BD100 and later BD200

3D chipware CPU units in a vertical stack beats the flatlander topography of the PS3 design.
The performance of a 600 dollar 2013 platform for 349 dollars in 2013.

In other words a flat and expensive 15nm chip gets outperformed by a 28nm 3d chip thats faster, cheaper and much better.

3D chips Integrated design means amazing bus speeds that outperform traditional flatchips and flat single on chip designs.

Stay tuned.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

That's a very expensive process for desktop speed processors that have heat output that measures in the range of a space heater.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
10 years ago

I certainly hope so though I don't want them to give us an inferior product just for the sake of reducing costs. I'm okay with the premium stance Sony takes in regards to its hardware. I don't regret buying a single Sony product.

I also hope the controller stays the same.

PharaohJR
PharaohJR
10 years ago

lets be realistic here. plenty folks run round claiming they dont like the console wars…

look here.. all sony need to do is drop another console with more depth to the current features present on PS3. backwards compatibility for all models if not certain models & continue to make quality there primary focus in the system & software.

correct me if wrong but isnt ps3 the dominant console after wii in all countries except America? as many units wii sold tell me right now is the majority of owners still using their wii as they did when purchased? x360 we have already seen the facts cause of microsoft tactics in making a faulty system & flipping gaming industry into exclusive DLC content it didnt work so well. the sales #s are only that number cause of a unreliable system.

as long as sony realizes there is a shift with the mindset of younger consumers now gravitating to what others are dealing with but also remembering the folks that supported Playstation since entry. Sony will stay relevant & be a dominant console into every generation. if they play the competition game…. just know other sides dont play fair & will pull tricks.

wenezz
wenezz
10 years ago

quality exclusives is what matters…..

Ignitus
Ignitus
10 years ago

No way!

They won't mess it up again. Actually, I think they will have a great launch. I hope SONY does not let me down.

___________
___________
10 years ago

look at the vita…….
yea, theres your answer!
ridiculously overpriced.
awkwardly timed.
and of course it would not be a $ony product without a piss poor lineup!
i mean come on, how can you release a new PSP and have the only adult FP game as uncharted?
no killzone, no LBP, no resistance, no GT, none of the franchises you think of when you think of playstation.
just uncharted!
yea people are really going to go spend 450 bucks on a vita plus 60 or so on uncharted just so they can play that for a week or so then have the unit sit on the shelf for a month or so!
one thing $ony has taught me this gen is there thick as mules!
actually no, for once that term is actually a literal understatement!

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
10 years ago

Ridiculously overpriced? Uh-huh. I'd sooner pay $450 for Vita that $800-ish for an iPhone. You still get voice-comms (via Skype), a great many of the features, such as camera, touch screen, motion sensing, web browser, and let's not forget a much more game-friendly interface. Just about the only thing that it doesn't have is a GPS… The launch timing may be awkward, but it does provide a break from the holiday season, and one must remember that availability is all year round.

And the games… Uncharted is the biggest launch day game, no doubt, but it also has Wipeout, MVC, Katamari, Shinobido, Ridge Racer, and that's only what's been confirmed. The first year promises to be amazing if even half of the expected games make it out.

___________
___________
10 years ago

yes, ridiculously overpriced!
how can a handheld cost 100 bucks MORE then a ps3 with MW3, BF3, 2 controllers play TV AND a monster HDMI cable!?
as for the iphone, well the vita cant turn into a GPS system now can it?
i can play games my 4 for a good 5 hours before it goes flat!
according to $ony the vita struggles to get half that, and its a dedicated gaming device!
and the iphone is as reliable as a wood burning stove!
how much you want to bet the day of release people will be complaining of broken vitas?
only problem iphones have had in the past few years since introduction was the reception issues with 4 and that was not exactly a major problem like what $onys had with their products.
for example my father just bought a new xperia arc yesterday and the f*cking thing keeps turning itself off!
not going flat, you can turn it back on and it will have 100% battery life.
then lock it put it down, come back 5 minutes later and it will be off again!
iphones are 800 bucks because they do everything, and they do it so well!
and there as reliable as a wood burning stove!
lets see the vita get one of those right!

as for the games i clearly said first party.
last time i checked MVC3 and co are not made by $ony……..
i can see the vita is going to suffer the exact same fate the PSP did.
third party publishers are supporting it better then what $ony is, how pathetics that!?
its their system, its there job to release enough games to carry it on launch!
not release 2, and look to crapcom and co to carry the rest of the weight.

thats what i cant understand about $ony!
they just dont learn their lessons!
they released the ps3 at a ridclious high price.
sold poorly.
so to fix that problem they do the EXACT SAME for the PSP GO!
common sense, right?
ill solve the problem by doing the exact same.
hmmmm, every time i stick my finger in this light bulb socket i get electrocuted.
hmmmmm, i wonder why.
i know ill solve that by doing it again!
one day they will learn, one day they will stop being greedy money grubbing price gougers, and backup their products with decent software.
but by the time that happens the world would of already ended, so its kinda pointless!

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

Oh good god, here we go again, the resident troll farts an post.

Ridiculously expensive? Not 6 months ago people were fearing that the base model would cost $500, and then Sony announced at $249 and the entire industry was very p0leasantly surprised. Not one voice was raised saying that this was ridiculously expensive. More recently the somewhat MS favoring tech media has started to harp on the price of the Vita, except that any comparable smart device or iPad costs 50-100% more than the Vita with inferior components.

Oh, but let's not let facts get in the way of your trolling.

Nor am I sure how the game line up for the Vita can be described as piss poor. The only piss poor thing around here is your intellect. I think it's time that Ben killed your account, your posts are becoming ever more ridiculous and nothing more than trolls.

sawao_yamanaka
sawao_yamanaka
10 years ago

Umm blank man.
You do know they have resistance, lbp, modnation racers and hot shots golf releasing on the vita launch date right? I say Sony is definitely supporting it. Please do stop being a troll and go elsewhere. As for uncharted it is not an fps it is a tps and a damn good one to boot.