Throughout the year, EA has admitted that Battlefield 3 has no chance of beating Activision's Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 in the sales department. But they have made their goal abundantly clear: they want to eat into the massive market share held by the blockbuster Call of Duty franchise.

Now, as much as we like Battlefield 3 , and as often as we'd recommend it to most gamers, there's a harsh truth that EA must face: in order to come from so far behind and topple the reigning king, the "eating away" process must begin immediately. Massively hyped projects like BF3 need to deliver in every possible way, swaying gamers to drop $60 on their product, rather than saving it for Modern Warfare 3 , which launches in less than two weeks.

And for that to happen, I really believe BF3 needed Batman -like scores. It needed to blow everyone away and end up with the majority of critics saying, "yep, it's the best shooter of the year." But while we could probably make that argument, especially in regards to the stellar multiplayer, mid-8s and even plenty of solid 9s just don't seem like quite enough. Right now, Resistance 3 and Battlefield 3 has almost the exact same GameRankings and Metacritic review average. R3 sold a disappointing 180,000 copies.

And yes, there was about ten times more hype and marketing for BF3, but EA knows the importance of critical support. That critical support is technically there but to chip away at CoD's mammoth lead, I believe DICE and EA fell short. A few old-fashioned drawbacks and lingering issues from the beta have held BF3 back, and you know, I have a feeling MW3 isn't going to feel BF3's bite.

Related Game(s): Battlefield 3 , Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

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Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

I don't think EA was ever going to eat into CoD's market share. There are just way to many drones who are addicted to a game that doesn't require any thinking or strategy.

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
10 years ago

When I play COD, which is rarely I only play with friends I don't see often and we don't even pay attention to the game. We mostly use it as a gateway for catching up but we still somehow manage to be pretty good at it. So ya, my point is that ya there is zero thought to this game.


Last edited by PasteNuggs on 10/26/2011 10:01:14 PM

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
10 years ago

@PasteNuggs

Mind showing me a video of your God-like skills at Call of Duty?

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
10 years ago

I never said "god-like" I said pretty good. Do not put words in my mouth. I don't have video. All I know is my K/D ratio is around 1.30 which I think the term "pretty good" suits that number well.


Last edited by PasteNuggs on 10/26/2011 10:11:23 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

OH! How I just love how to guy likes to out words in peoples mouths.

Knock it off Nas is Like.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
10 years ago

lol.

The irony here is I never claimed you guys said that in the first place. Read between the fine lines. 😉


Last edited by Nas Is Like on 10/26/2011 10:45:25 PM

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
10 years ago

Your K/D is 1.30 and you're bragging? Man get outta here. You're no better than the average player.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

He wasn't bragging or saying he had God-like skills like you accused him of. He was simply saying it's possible to play the game and not really pay attention. If that wasn't true his K/D ratio would be much lower, probably in the negative.

You just don't know when to quit do you?

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
10 years ago

Refer to Jawknee's previous comment for my retort. I have no energy left to argue on the internet.

berserk
berserk
10 years ago

Funny since it s by thinking and playing with strategic behavior that i stay on top in cod games .

You can do good by not doing so but thinking it s not the case in all fps is simply being delusional .

berserk
berserk
10 years ago

Funny since it s by thinking and playing with strategic behavior that i stay on top in cod games .

You can do good by not doing so but thinking it s not the case in all fps is simply being delusional .

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
10 years ago

You honestly don't have to think to play CoD, It's pretty simple to pick up and play. All you need to know is where people respawn, high traffic areas, cut off routes. Also use cover when engaging people, keep your body profile as small as possible when fighting.

Win/Loss Ratio: 9.49
Kill/Death Ratio: 2.39

From rushing, sometimes my play style will change depending on the situation. But I will not camp in one area or building the entire game like most people I've played against.

Kangasfwa
Kangasfwa
10 years ago

@ Jawkne–They think the best strategy is to run faster. Or they wait in one spot, carnival game style 😉

Zemus101
Zemus101
10 years ago

This is crazy. I've logged over 7 hours into the multiplayer, and this is exactly the experience I was hoping for. I am genuinely surprised that you guys have already found things you think are "broken" and "definitely lacking". I would understand it if say, there were constant disconnects preventing you from even playing the game.

DICE said the other day that BFBC2 was still fervently being played today. I think the quote even stated that the server population has stayed steady for the past year. Obviously they're doing something right. At least… for the gamers that enjoy a proper strategic shooter. In the 7 hours I've played, It's evident that BF3 goes above and beyond what BFBC2 did previously. I believe that's exactly what DICE set out to do.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Indeed Kang, what are those cheesy perks they use together that allows you to run faster and knife from an unbelievable distance MW2? LOL! Oh, that was crap.

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
10 years ago

I have to put this somewhere. My K/D ratio in Uncharted 2 is 2.00. HAH!

That is more impressive than it looks when you consider just how many laggers there are in UC2. I played with Jawk once, and this is when I stopped playing because of laggers, and I swear the people we were playing with had a a tin can and a wire as an internet supply. Seriously.

Underdog15
Underdog15
10 years ago

lol, Paste, 1.30? that's above average, dude. Let me explain what I mean.

For every kill, there is a death. Which means average, in the middle, would be 1.00. Then when you consider suicides and deaths with no kills, that average drops to below 1.00. You can't have a kill without a death.

So a 1.30 K/D, while not godlike, is above average.

I'll take a teammate with a K/D over 1.00 any day. Even if they don't dominate, I know that, on average, they are helping my team more than hurting it.

You see what I'm getting at, friendo?

Of course, me and 4 of my friends are all over 2.20 in Black Ops.

It's a pick up and play game. Far too easy.


Last edited by Underdog15 on 10/27/2011 7:41:10 AM

mk ultra
mk ultra
10 years ago

Jawknee: Your thinking of lightweight, marathon commando with the tactical knife pistol attachment. Yeah, that was super cheesy which is why they're removing two of those perks.

As for COD not requiring any thought or strategy. The only game mode i play is hardcore search and destroy, where you die almost instantly and don't respawn. Everyone on my team plays with the aim assist off and we have different strategies for each map. If you play with your head in the clouds you don't get very far at all, and usually get dominated by a more organized team.

I'm not saying it isn't twitch gaming, or requires the amount of strategy Battlefield does. I just thought your first statement was a little unfair, and wanted to give a differing opinion.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
10 years ago

Well Jawknee.. in all fairness, COD has some strategic elements if you play with the right people.

shootu
shootu
10 years ago

@Jawknee "thinking or strategy" Name any shooter that you need to do this… They are all the same what ever moves point and shoot. No game will compete with COD cause you have total control. Look at all the shooter games that dont have this and are just junk… MAG, Killzone, Socom and even Battlefield. Yes Battlefield and Bad Company. Battlefield 2 was amazing on PC so why cant bring it back and put it on PS3? Best shooter ever and they cant make Battlefield 3 as good as Battlefield 2 was. WTF why not??? I wish the GTA series had COD control and not the sloppy control…

shootu
shootu
10 years ago

Jawkee and PasteNuggs love how people put dicks in there mouths… that explains the sucking at FPS!

oldmike
oldmike
10 years ago

we still dont know what kind of score that MW3 will get that will be the true test
thou i seen some saying that MW3 will get good scores just on the name

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
10 years ago

Been playing Battlefield 3, and am definitely enjoying it. However, the game seems to have multiple issues that Dice somehow seems to missed. The screen-tearing, the "connection timing out" issue and something with the gameplay just seems to be broken or lacking (for lack of better word). I can't put my finger on it.

It's a great game but definitely does not live up to the hype. This is most likely because many people overhyped it to death, making it look better than it actually was. But that's the consequences of the hype.


Last edited by Nas Is Like on 10/26/2011 9:38:18 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

LOL! It's not broken by any means. There is nothing wrong with the game play. Anyone who is a fan of the Battlefield series will be pleased with this installment.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
10 years ago

You seem to be confusing your opinion with fact much too often. It really does get annoying after a while.

The gameplay is not perfect.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

I never said it was perfect. As no game is but you said it was broken. It is NOT. Who is confusing facts?

By the way, I have been playing the MP for over 2 hours now and I haven't seen a single screen tear. You speak as if the tearing breaks the game. You are exaggerating.


Last edited by Jawknee on 10/26/2011 9:53:15 PM

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
10 years ago

Saying "it's not broken by any means" pretty much implies it's perfect. At least to me.

I've been playing the MP for about 6 hours now, have had the screen tear happen at least 5 times. It really gets frustrating when it starts happening more and more frequently.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

LOL! Are you serious? By saying something isn't broken implies it's perfect? My car isn't broken. It still gets me from A to B but it has it's imperfections like the dented bumper and rock chips. So NO, saying something is not broken does NOT imply that something is perfect. Don't be disingenuous.

And again, I think you are looking for imperfections like the tearing to back up your opinion that YOU are confusing with facts.

Don't be that pot that calls the kettle black.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
10 years ago

Then let me ask you a question. If the gameplay is "not broken by any means" but it's not "perfect" either, then what issue/s do you have with it by not calling it perfect?

And the screen-tearing that I've experienced is no lie or bulls–t. It's fact. It's what happened to me. I don't have to look for it when it finds me and makes my Battlefield gameplay less enjoyable. You just seem to get defensive when someone has some criticism towards the game and you don't seem to like that. Hop off the game's nuts, and open your eyes. It has issues. Coming from someone that's been playing it for 6 hours now, I don't have a reason for making it up. I still like the game, as I said, but the issues are ruining my experience.

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
10 years ago

I've had zero time out issues with it and I've played three and a half hours on it. Also, this game imo is the cleanest looking multiplat game I've ever seen. The only disappointment I've had with this game is the limited destruction. I thought DICE was gonna take it to the next level, which they did in a way but I can't demolish everything like I could I BFBC2.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

The controls are not as responsive as I would like them to be. When I click R3 to crouch or stand up it doesn't happen fast enough. Some of the deaths I have encountered in the SP I would call cheap. Other than that the game plays just fine. So again, the game play is not perfect nor did I ever imply or say it was. But it is NOT "broken". If the game was "broken" it would be unplayable. Why would you play a unplayable game for 6 hours?

I never said you were lying. I said you were exaggerating. Do you have a Webster's Dictionary handy? I suggest you look up the difference.

By the way, when I said I have been playing the game for over 2 hours, I just meant tonight. I played for quite some time last night too with other PSX members and still didn't notice any tearing. Which says something considering I'm a stickler when it comes to screen tearing. if the game tears 5 times in 6 hours, that seems minimal to me. Like I said, you're looking for things to complain about to fit your "the game is broken" criteria.

I don't take issue with your opinion that the game has flaws. I take issue with the fact that you said the game is broken when it clearly is not.

Wraith
Wraith
10 years ago

Nas-I have also experienced a few screen-tears and countless others have also. It certainly diminishes the gameplay but hopefully it will be fixed.
Jawk- You are a bit defensive towards this game but I understand how overhype has raised expectations.
Paste-I agree, the destruction is definitely lacking but its still enjoyable because some destruction is better than no destruction.


Last edited by Wraith on 10/26/2011 10:20:27 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

For the love of Heaven…

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Not being overly defensive. I just don't like it when people exaggerate. When someone says something is broken when it's not I'm going to call them out. A broken game doesn't receive an average 85% Metacritic score and a 9/10 from PSX among other publications.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
10 years ago

You're taking what I said too literally. If you go back to my original post, you'll see that I said the following: "something with the gameplay just seems to be broken or lacking (for lack of better word)". Did you stop reading the rest of the sentence as soon as I mentioned "broken"? It sure seems that way.

I agree, the controls aren't as responsive as I'd like them to be either. The gameplay can seem too slow at times.

But anyway, I find it sad how defensive you get over a video game. Why don't you get some fresh air and calm down, huh?

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
10 years ago

How is a game broken if the game works? I don't get it. If the game was indeed broken I don't think you would even be able to play the damn thing.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

"You're taking what I said too literally."

So do words not mean what they are supposed to mean in your world? If you say something is broken, than what else am I supposed to think it means other than you think its broken? It's not my fault you weren't able to articulate yourself. Have you found that Webster's yet? They publish a great thesaurus too.

You find it sad not because I am defending a game but because I called out your nonsensical claims that you still haven't been able to effectively articulate beyond insults and putting words in peoples mouths. I'm sad because I am defending BF against your exaggerations yet here you are….still arguing with me. Talk about irony indeed.


Last edited by Jawknee on 10/26/2011 11:12:00 PM

berserk
berserk
10 years ago

"something with the gameplay just seems to be broken or lacking (for lack of better word)"

Ya , people seem to have stopped reading after broken .

I would also have a hard time explaining how i feel about the gameplay . .It s not broken but there is definitely something lacking .

The more i think about it the more i see that what s lacking is responsive control .Defientely something about how it flows from one action to the next .

P.s if you did nt tried tdm yet i would suggest you try it ( can only find them on quick matches tho ) . TDM is a weird mix of both tdm and dm in one .Luckily it s a weird mix that work .

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
10 years ago

He should of just said "lacking" instead of broken, because if it was broken nothing would work. Lacking would of been a better choice of words to use.

xenris
xenris
10 years ago

I have put a good amount of time into the games multiplayer and I will tell you what you can't put your finger on.

Nas if you play lots of CoD you must be used to CoDs unbelievable amount of aim assist that helps you play the game. The aim assist in BF games are toned down a little, although not as much as they should be. MAG still has my favourite shooting mechanics. Less aim assist will make the game feel less responsive because the game isn't holding your hand, and doesn't snap to targets as easily.

Also the frame rate is 30 instead of 60 which is the fps of CoD. Which makes it different not better or worse. Lower locked frames make the game a bit slower and less twitch based requiring you to be a bit more tactical. Not to say that being awesome at twitch games means you lack tactical prowess. This is coming from an ex competitive PC gamer that specialized in twitch shooters.

Nas if a game isn't broken and not perfect what is it? I would call something like that a good game wouldn't you? I'm surprised at the black and white mentality. There are shades in between broken and perfect my goodness. The reason people ignored when you wrote lacking was because you said broken or lacking for lack of a better word. You should have just said, something feels off to me.

As for my complaints with the game? The squad system needs a lot of work. Have the time we set up a squad it puts us in a full server on opposite teams which is BS,and my friend sometimes gets caught in a weird limbo screen when I revive him and he has to disconnect.

So thats what I have found to be wrong with it, but those will all be patched so I'm not even concerned about it.

Jawk I agree with most of your points but your posts did come off a tad defensive at some points.


Last edited by xenris on 10/27/2011 12:09:55 PM

AcHiLLiA
AcHiLLiA
10 years ago

@Nas

Their is going to be patches in the future.

shootu
shootu
10 years ago

@Jawknee Have you even played Battlefield 3??? Its full of bugs and LOTS wrong with it. You should try playing before you start talking $hit cause you look stupid.

PSTan
PSTan
10 years ago

BF3 was overhyped to the extreme. Fantastic as it is (been playing it for a while now), I think most people can agree that, in a way, it didn't live up to some of the promises it made. Not hating, just being realistic now that the game is out.

As for MW3, reviews are gonna be the factor that sways me to buy the game. Unlike most, I don't suffer from COD fatigue yet cuz I skip every other year's game. But like most, there are so many other games that I wanna play, so MW3 is gonna have to stand out in a special way.

Next week though, I'm going to be sucked into the world of Uncharted 3, both offline and online, for a long time. If anyone is interested in organizing a PSXE clan (I mentioned this in an earlier article), feel free to add me: Tan61593 and we can work things out.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Of course not. When stuff is hyped up as much as BF3 was, it never lives up to the hype. The game is still not "broken" or flawed like some people here would like us to believe.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

I should recant…the game obviously has flaws. Slip of the fingers. Just not "game breaking" flaws.

PSTan
PSTan
10 years ago

Jawknee,

I never said the game was "broken". I just stated how it didn't live up to our expectations 100%.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

I didn't meant to accuse you of saying it was broken. I was referring to the comments above. Apologies if you thought I was accusing you. I should have clarified that in my original post.

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
10 years ago

I never thought BF3 was gonna take a giant chunk from COD. I believe COD will kill itself overtime. I remember last year how Activision kept announcing how preorders for BO were higher than MW2 at the same time the year before. I don't here that this year.

rogers71
rogers71
10 years ago

You may not be hearing it now but I bet it will come out soon. I went into my local Gamestop to pick up Batman last week and they asked me if I wanted to preorder MW3. I told the guy I didn't want to right then.
He then told me that they had 530 preorders just at that store. The other 2 area stores had over 600 at this time last week. I would say sales are gonna be through the roof.


Last edited by rogers71 on 10/26/2011 10:33:29 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

530 preorders? I'm in the wrong business.