It's one of the weirdest situations I've experienced in my 27+ years of gaming.

I'm a long-time RPG fan. I've got 40 PS1 games and 30 of them are RPGs; I played/completed at least 10 more that I don't have anymore. I've got another 20 on the PS2. And that's not counting the SNES and PC. I've been a fan of the genre for almost two decades and whenever a new one comes along, I at least try it. I may not end up falling in love with it, but I still experience an irresistible draw to any new role-playing game that lands on store shelves.

I'm also a fan of open-world sandbox adventures. I love inFamous , Grand Theft Auto , and Assassin's Creed . Now, taking all this into account, by all rights, I should adore The Elder Scrolls . I knew that when Morrowind came out for the Xbox; many got the system for Halo , but I got it for The Elder Scrolls III . And I tried. I tried for ten hours. For some reason, I just wasn't getting it; I couldn't get immersed in the gameplay or storyline, and I didn't know why. A while later, the exact same thing happened with Oblivion .

I have no logical explanation for why I don't adore this franchise. Given my personal tastes (combined with the fact that I gravitate towards fantasy over sci-fi), I should be one of the first in line to grab Skyrim on November 11. Or in this case, I'll probably have it a little earlier to review, so I should be diving in gleefully the instant I rip open the FedEx package. But I've been fooled before, and I get the feeling that Skyrim won't be much different. Am I wrong? Tell me why I should play this game. Tell me what I'm missing. The fans must have some advice.

I just feel like I'm being deprived and I can't understand why . I have to be missing something.

Related Game(s): The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

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TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Perhaps it's because you don't like the gritty, bloody, darker western RPG style? Perhaps it's your innate preference for the JRPG?

😉

I'm actually half serious. I can't really get into these games either, I don't like their style at all.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Well, I like Dragon Age. And really, it isn't so much the dark/gritty vs. the colorful for me…it's the fact that current RPGs feel more like action games and I WANT MY TURN-BASED BACK. 😉

If they released a dark and gritty RPG that was turn-based, I'd be all over it like a monkey on a cupcake.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
9 years ago

Turn-based RPGs are the real RPGs in my opinion.

5TAY3R
5TAY3R
9 years ago

Because bethesda made games are always full of bugs and another thing is most of it's contents are there just to make people kill their time.
oblivion, fallout, morrownd every single game in my opinion is for people who can't afford more than one game in every 12 months


Last edited by 5TAY3R on 10/17/2011 10:16:59 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I just cannot get into this dark/gritty thing with RPGs. When I see in-game combat footage and every strike from a weapon or magic causes blood, and whatever else to spurt from the monster/opponent being attacked it's an instant turn off.

I've long thought that the fascination with making games all gritty, realistic, dark and gory is the wrong direction to take. These are supposed to be games. I don't understand why in a game enemies need to lie on the ground oozing blood, and moaning after combat, nor why unreal creatures such as monsters in action games and western RPGs must be rendered in a way that makes them seem real, even down to the blood, sweat and tears that burst forth when they are hit. It's a game, why does it have to be so realistic? It's a game, why does it need to be gritty?

I like that a game looks like a game, realism has it's place in gaming, but realism in a fantasy game seems almost paradoxical to me. Either way, I don't like it.

Alienange
Alienange
9 years ago

@ Stay3r 360 – You sir are absolutely clueless.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
9 years ago

Well if I describe it in my case… It's all about the mood. Sometimes I feel like I want to explore.

I will buy this game day 1 because I want to believe it will offer a great varied open world where I can get lost and let my curiosity lead me. The thought of maybe finding some rare weapon or unlocking secrets is enough to keep me going for hours haha. You don't go after that game for the storyline alone. Also there is generally always funny/weird/fishy stuff going on in the Elder scrolls games.

They also said they fixed the games leveling system a bit too.

I guess that in everything you said in your post, curiosity is what you might be missing. The will to explore or discover weird things pointlessly lol.

Phoenix
Phoenix
9 years ago

I dont find the ES series hard to get into, but I do find it hard to stay with them, I think it's because there is too much to do in some cases, such as morrowind, and in the case of oblivion it just became too easy and I lost intrest. I doubt this will be a day 1 pickup for me, I'll most likely wait until the game of the year edition comes out, which it will in time, and pick it up then with a few expansions.

Gamer Girl Gemo
Gamer Girl Gemo
9 years ago

Sorry, sir, but… I believe that GOTY position is reserved for Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception 🙂

PSN French
PSN French
9 years ago

I think Dark Souls deserves GOTY over U3. But we all know Skyrim is going to nab quite a few GOTY awards.

Lairfan
Lairfan
9 years ago

Why so many thumbs down for GGG? We got some Uncharted 3 haters or something?

Gamer Girl Gemo
Gamer Girl Gemo
9 years ago

Man, we must 🙁

jjlive168
jjlive168
9 years ago

maybe you have the same issue i have with the series and also fallout its this big MASSIVE free roam game, HUGE right?…and i am ALL ALONE no drop in drop out co-op no 4 player co-op no co-op nothing its just this big world that im forced to play the way the devs say to play(as most games do) if this series had co-op id play it with friends that would be an awesome experience but i cant nor do i even have the option.

with me it begins to feel like the game is just dragging being a lone wolf isn't ALWAYS fun especially in a massive game like this. maybe you would enjoy it more if a buddy could join in and you could tame a dragon together who knows. i know i would

Gabriel013
Gabriel013
9 years ago

See I'm the opposite. I LOVE games like fallout 3 where I can spend 200hrs plus just wandering on my own in the hopes of discovering something new.

This looks like Fallout without the guns but a whole lot of magic. It still isn't d1p for me but I'll likely get it around Christmas time.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Me too Gabriel! I think the exploration-element of Fallout is unprecedented on the ps3. In my humble opinion that's much of what the Fallouts are all about: The wanderer surviving in the post-apocalyptic world.
I dare say *most* of my memorable moments in the Fallout games are from exploring and unscripted events.


Last edited by Beamboom on 10/17/2011 5:43:34 AM

Alienange
Alienange
9 years ago

@ jjlive168 – Trying actually playing the game before commenting. The last thing on EARTH an ES game does is "force you to play the way the devs say to play."

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I'm not buying it. Never been a fan of these 1st person "RPGs". Evidently you're not either so don't buy it.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

There is a third person view. 😉

Seriously though, even though it's a little awkward, it is there.

fatelementality
fatelementality
9 years ago

I wasnt a fan of Morrowind at 1st, but it grew on me. Do u like Fallout Ben? I prefer 2 keep my shooters & rpgs seperate. TES is about being that adventurer that u pretended 2 b as a child. Morrowind should b remade w Skyrims engine. At least read that games story. Made me keep playing even tho I was horribly lost……all the time………ALL the time. I need a drink.

fatelementality
fatelementality
9 years ago

Wow…..reading what I just wrote……just wow. Ben. It's dragon's, magic, swords, armor, horses. & it's the kind of game that is worth waaaaay more than its dollar. Dont be convinced, just give in.

FxTales
FxTales
9 years ago

Oh that makes me feel better because I didn't enjoy the last one, at all. I think maybe they're the type of game I'd rather watch than play myself, and yeah gotta agree with Limited the first person was a put off. Sorry guys.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

You can put it in third person but it's kinda lame when you do. I just chalk up the first person view to how personal the experience is. That's ME in there and I see what I'm doin from my point of view. Whether it's fighting a big bad critter or sneaking into the weapon's shop at night to rob the place it makes it feel more personal.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Oblivion turned me off at first but after a couple hours I was hooked. Loved Fallout right away. It's all about heavy immersion, the ability to live a fantasy life any way you want, and the thrill of exploration and discovery. Something in that mix isn't clicking with you Ben, you just gotta find out which part and then kill that part of you because this game is going to be the fantasy world simulator medieval geeks like me are going to live in for awhile.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

I cant get past the interface.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

You mean the first person stuff or the way weapons and spells and armor are set up?

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

The 1st person. I know you have the option to 3rd person but it's fake looking.

Gamer Girl Gemo
Gamer Girl Gemo
9 years ago

@LV

Once you mess around with it for a few hours, it becomes more evident how easily it can be used. Just tweak around with it some, and trust me, you might be hooked. I remember the first time I ever played it, I just ran around doing virtually nothing, yet it grabbed me into the world really quickly.

Gabriel013
Gabriel013
9 years ago

I hated the 3rd person view in Fallout so thankfully the 1st person view worked well for me.

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
9 years ago

This series never interested me.

Well ok that's not 100% truth. Obviously if the game gets a lot of positive feedback, especially from both the critics and fans, I feel at least a little obliged to check it out. But this series, I just don't have the motivation to go and do that.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

It is a massive undertaking, but that's how people get enveloped into it. Elder Scrolls IS that game that is all you think about playing and doing once you get off work or school or once you wake up on weekends. It's all about getting back into that world to do something.

Gamer Girl Gemo
Gamer Girl Gemo
9 years ago

Amen, world. So many hours of sleep lost.

Gamer Girl Gemo
Gamer Girl Gemo
9 years ago

There's a really simple formula I follow in nearly every RPG in which you can make your own character. I give the character their own personality, their own weaknesses, strengths, likes, and dislikes even if that isn't really an option to set down within the actual game. It makes me feel as though I'm more connected with my character, that I know just what they would say, do, react, love, etc. This way, I can go through the game with the mind set of their personality in the foremost front of my mind, and answer questions, perform actions and whatnot according to what they'd actually do.

Of course, I don't really do this the first time through. I usually do what I prefer mostly in the first time around. However, I find that you become more attached to the character in more ways than just one. I've sometimes gone as far as creating a background story for what led them up to being the way they are and where they are. I suppose it's my fictional writer's mind playing its own natural parts, but I find that it makes a game like this that allows you to build your character really get more intimate with how that character works; on the battlefield and off.

Also, I like to go out and venture onto my own self-made missions, like seeing just how many places I can explore out in the wilderness before such and such time. I try to immerse myself into the world as much as possible, even if it isn't by playing the rules of the game itself. It may sound a little silly to others for me to add onto what and who my character is, but it makes me just feel like the world is right before me.

With Oblivion, all of this was easily possible, but I can see now just how much more we'll be able to what we did in Oblivion in Skyrim. It seems it's nearly ten times more in Skyrim. Overall, try to find ways to become emotionally attached the world and characters itself. Whether it's giving yourself a task, finding random ones, or just furthering your character's personality. I find them all a much more in-depth way to enjoy any kind of game.

Hope this helped you out, Ben! I really would like you to enjoy TES because it really is a game that holds nearly no limits as to what you can do or who you can be.

Vitron
Vitron
9 years ago

Wow you too gamer girl? I thought I was the only one doing that. What's yours? I always do mine serious and cynical. 🙂

Gamer Girl Gemo
Gamer Girl Gemo
9 years ago

Haha! Nice to know I'm not alone 🙂
I usually like to give them that "troubled-past" kind of attitude. Sometimes I just plain like to be a huge jerk and heartless. However, most of the time, I do that goody-two shoes type of guy that loves to help everyone at any cost. It's really an awesome way to see just how many ways the NPCs will react and, like in DA:O and DAII, that was ALWAYS a blast.
Not to mention it gives me a reason to start a new game nearly every month or so!


Last edited by Gamer Girl Gemo on 10/17/2011 12:20:06 AM

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

THIS is roleplaying. 🙂 I'm like you too!
And I got this annoying tendency of always ending up playing as the saintlike goodguy. I can't help myself!


Last edited by Beamboom on 10/17/2011 1:23:18 AM

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Either that, or if I can: A thief-like character. A sneaky, lockpicking, close combat stealthy babe that hangs out at the local pub, pickpocketing and gamble the money away (Fallout let me do all that. Lovely)


Last edited by Beamboom on 10/17/2011 1:47:36 AM

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

And all my characters are as evil as possible lol. Makes things so much more fun. For me at least.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Gamer Girl: I should try that. Games that don't have a strong narrative thread, or that encourage me to ignore it for long periods of time while I focus on myself (exploring, fighting, doing extra stuff, etc.) don't hook me as much these days. So giving my character a personality the developers didn't give him might help.

World, Limited: The first-person thing might be an issue. I was never entirely comfortable with it in Morrowind or Oblivion, but I'm not convinced that this is the sole reason I couldn't get into those games.

jjlive: I like open-world games, as I said in the article, but you're right about Fallout. Couldn't get into that, either. Maybe if the world is TOO big and TOO directionless, I just lose interest.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Quoting, "So giving my character a personality the developers didn't give him might help" – I believe your problem is right there. It's all a question of what you are used to, I think.
You are probably most used to play RPGs where most everything is preset: The characters, the story, the personalities, the direction.

Me on the other hand, I am by far most used to these kind of rpgs where creating your character and to some degree your story is much of what the game is all about – to me RPGs that don't offer these aspects feels like they are missing something.

These games do require you to get involved in the game world in a different way than most other games (regardless of genre). It's a different way of playing and I can totally understand those who can't get into these games.


Last edited by Beamboom on 10/17/2011 7:03:15 AM

DemonNeno
DemonNeno
9 years ago

The direction does fall too far from the gameplay, FOR SURE! I had this problem with Oblivion way too often. I find myself traveling more than I am playing the game. The travel annoyed the crap out of me. This was Fallout3 as well. Walking, walking, walking.. Almost there! Poof! Rebels that are too tough to kill end my trip short. Seriously?! Ridiculous.

I ultimately aced both games, but I have NEVER had to put down the controller as much as I did with Fallout. Oblivion, at least, looked very pretty on my PC. It was glitchy and it did lock up my PC, it was a graphics driver-compatibility problem or a DX issue; the game had glitches. Fallout 3 had one section that bugged up on me (I forgot which portion, I do remember others on forums with the same issue) but that game was just plain ugly. It felt like my character was thrown in some FPS map to R&D the world for FP gamers.

I can't say for certain these are the main issues you are having, but I know they are mine; Lack of Direction/Too much (slow) travel, Real-time fights where you're outnumbered and sometimes out powered on skill level as well, and finally… The story just doesn't suck you in.

I had to set goals for myself in both games. I'd do missions on my own, such as defeating enemies for weapons & ammo (F3) and research and collections for my characters skill level (Oblivion). I ultimately enjoyed the game without regrets, but that's not to say I wouldn't like a slower pace of fighting with more strategy than energy. The story in Fallout 3 was just brutal to me. Until I reached nearly the end of the game, I couldn't tell you why I kept going. Stubborn I suppose. I could've easily given up, although I'm happy I didn't.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

@DemonNeno: It's incredibly interesting to read comments like yours, cause they so *totally* differ from how I perceive these games. It just goes to show how different we as gamers are.

You hate the travels in Fallout, I find that particular element to be essential to the whole experience. The excitement of not knowing what to encounter next, what you will meet around the next hill, the thrill of the careful approach towards new enemies when you do not know how powerful they are, all this is what has made me love these kind of games. To you those same elements are reasons why you *don't* like them.
And being out powered by enemies strafing areas where "you are not supposed to be", well, that's required in my opinion, anything else would remove much of the excitement.

I'm not really defending anything here, just pointing out how different the same concept can be perceived. Cause if you do not enjoy these things in itself, then I can understand how some can say "there is no story". Cause these experiences are not obstacles, they are much of the story itself!

DemonNeno
DemonNeno
9 years ago

@Beam, I generally love the travel, but when I find myself traveling for 20-30min at a time, while attempting to be frugal, I end up getting wasted before I have a chance to achieve what I attempted to. Restarting would mean another 20-30 min of travel, now trying to avoid areas that aren't always avoidable. The thrill is lost to the mundane travel.

I love traveling, gathering and exploring. In some cases, the overall urge is entirely lost to the redundancy of the environment along with the insane distances you're expected to travel. No save points to lessen the blow of getting killed along with the lack of resources to score and ease the travel.

I can't say I have this problem with many RPGs, as it is the reason I do enjoy them so much. It has more to do with the lack of interesting activity inbetween all the endless travel and real-time battles (I totally prefer turn-based) on a grim map. *shrug*

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

No save points? You can save whenever you like in the Fallout games… And you should, too!

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

Well I know it took me a series of play sessions before getting into Oblivion. I was ever a huge rpg fan, just because I didn't play many. So getting into Oblivion was tough. It seemed to take awhile before things started picking up. Maybe that 10 hours of morrowind just wasn't enough time? I don't know, you could blame the pacing at that point. But it seemed like once I started picking up side quests and got a grasp for the game (Oblivion) I couldn't put the controller down!

dmiitrie
dmiitrie
9 years ago

Morrowwind is one of my two favourite games, all time. I still play it, ten years later and I've definitely logged more hours into it than any other game. Oblivion, though, never sucked me in. I had a little bit of fun with it, sure, but couldn't stay with it for more than 20-30 hours. A big part of that was because of the level scaling. I'm a grinder, by nature, so when I spend a dozen hours leveling (especially if it was non-combat stuff), and then went out on an entry level quest that's filled with mobs that were definitely not entry level, I felt that I had been wasting my time and quickly grew frustrated with it. Because Skyrim keeps the level scaling so I'm afraid that I won't have any better of a time with it.

Also, Ben, you said that you played on X-Box, but did you ever try either game on pc? I always thought that the experience was significantly different (and, in my opinion, better), and that was before I discovered modding.

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

The PC version of Oblivion is just remarkable in every way once it's modded, and it was great even beforehand. Soooo many great things to add to that game.

Riku994
Riku994
9 years ago

I think it's a lack of structure and your inability to spend time getting immersed due to your work. That being said, I fell in love with Oblivion just a few hours in, but maybe you just need more time? As mentioned above, the massive freedom could just be too much for your tastes, and you'd rather just stick to the main plot without feeling like you're distracted by 100 other quests. It all comes down to tastes in the end, but it really doesn't make sense why you don't like the games.. Download Daggerfall if you don't mind PC gaming, Bethesda has it for free on their website.

JohnnyGold
JohnnyGold
9 years ago

simple. out of everything you compared it to, i don't see table top, pen and paper rpgs anywhere on there.

this game is much closer to that than, say, xenogears.

i typically spend an hour or 2 planning my character with just the instruction book before i even start the game, then play through the "intro" (where you can try out every skill) 4-5 times to really test each one.

when i find the skills that i think im going to use the most during the game, and more importantly, that i enjoy using the most, i build my character around that. because certain races give bonuses to certain skills, (not to mention the selection of what sign youre born under, and so on,)i might end up being a race that i would have initially passed on.

with that character, i start playing, and more often than not, because of my play style (say i'm sneaking, or looting) ill get an offer from a guild that i follow more than the main quest.

then, while on a guild mission, ill find some ho hum cave that ends up being a 2 hour adventure for a rare sword.

you just need to do more work upfront to get more out of the game.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

No, because I loved playing the Baldurs Gate, Icewindale, and Neverwinter Nights on PC.

I didn't really list any games at all, outside of the open-ended ones.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

So you enjoyed Neverwinter and not Oblivion? What would you say is the main difference between those two? Maybe therein lies the answer to why you enjoyed one but not the other?