The PlayStation Vita enjoyed a big launch in Japan but sales have since trailed off.

That doesn't spell the end – as many of the doomsayers have already stated – but it does prove one thing: the hardcore gamers will have to support the unit. Like, immediately.

Here's the thing: this is not another gadget. This isn't something all the tech freaks are going to stand in line for; it isn't from Apple, it isn't a phone, it isn't a slick flat thing trying to be a PC. It is, quite simply, a handheld gaming device, and a pricey one at that. It's also obviously designed for the avid gamer and not necessarily for kids (in stark contrast to the Nintendo DS), which means major developers and major adult titles should be available on the Vita.

Hence, there's really only one group that can make the Vita a success, and it's the die-hard gamers who love great video games. That's it. You'll never convince the gadget buffs to buy one en masse, you'll never convince parents to buy it for their children as they will invariably choose Nintendo for various reasons, and you'll never convince the hardcore gamers to buy it without games. But that's the good news: with the biggest launch lineup in PlayStation history, the Vita at least has the software out of the gate.

That being said, the gamers still need to respond. They're the ones who need to go, "yeah, I'm gonna buy this because it has games I want to play." It's not about the 3G or anything else; it's a gaming device created for gamers . Now, Sony still has to do their job and deliver the goods, but if they do, it's up to the self-professed lifelong gamers to respond. And if that happens, everything should come together nicely, don't you think?

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maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Why people revert to "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" every time a device from Sony fails to set sales records escapes me.

Half a million units in Japan is great for something that expensive. Let us see how it does when it releases worldwide.

That is why you don't believe the doomsayers!!!

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

WE also have to consider that the first wave of sales may have been dented somewhat by the news about some software flaws that resulted in unresponsive touch pads and what not. Those have since been patched, and as that news, and games start to sink in, I think we will see sales become far more steady. But then this isn't exactly a failed unit, as you say, half a million units is nothing at all to sneeze at.

godsman
godsman
9 years ago

What the portable need is an original game that is exclusive to the handheld. One that makes any gamer go "OMG I have to buy it to play THAT game!" It just seems that recently there aren't those games any more.

Rather than releasing a less impressive version of a PS3 game (Uncharted, LBP, Mod Nation etc.) They need their Nintendo Pokemon. Monster Hunter was the PSP megaseller, but it fails to remain exclusive.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Picked this up from Bloomberg today…

"Sales of Sony Corp. (6758)’s PlayStation Vita, the company’s latest handheld game machine, declined last week after initial demand at the product’s debut, according to a researcher Media Create Co.

Sales totaled 72,479 units during the week ended Dec. 25, down from 324,859 units sold during the two days after the Dec. 17 introduction of the product, the Tokyo-based researcher said on its website, without citing anyone."

Bit of a mountain to climb for the Vita… maybe US and EU releases will swing things around initially… but as I did say before… we will only really know by the end of 2012 if the Vita has been a true success…

Otherwise a price drop will be in the offing. It seems the 3DS is going gang busters after its price drop.

The Kindle Fire has exploded with sales because of the price.

Quite sensibly… and clearly something that all gadget makers have to consider in today's world of austerity… if the price ain't right get ready to sink… unless you're Apple of course…

And as they say… "Having an Apple a day keeps the doctor away"…

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
9 years ago

Price isn't a problem for what you are getting. People wouldn't think it is a problem if they ever really looked into what the unit can do. When I talk about the unit to customers they don't feel like the price is too high for what you are getting. Only reason it might be getting bad press is *the haters* who unfortunatly have a voice on the internet somehow. And we all know them. Same people that bashed at anything the PS3 threw at them. But now I don't know why more people listen to them now from the Sony community itself XD

And Godsman, it might be a small bit less impressive than what the PS3 can do but its damn better than what any handheld does at the moment. It will even blurr the line between home consoles and portable. It also boasts more overall features than the PS3 itself… And btw Nintendo is no better. They always shoot the same crap at people and have no original IP. I don't think Sony using already popular IPs is a problem.

Anyway it has been a while since a handheld got me excited. I really hope the Vita will outshine the bad press Sony always gets from all the haters who can't even look at what is offered and spit on the unit just because it is Sony branded… Not saying anyone here is though. just that all the skepticisism and bad press doesn't come from any open mind. XD Can't wait to FINALLY be able to play good quality handheld games that come VERY close or are equal to console experiences on the go.


Last edited by Neo_Aeon666 on 12/30/2011 8:59:27 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Godsman,

If Sony was doing as Nintendo does, they wouldn't have Uncharted, Mod Nation or LBP on the Vita, it would be Crash, Spyro and perhaps Ratchet and Clank. Nintendo pushes the same tired IPs that they've been pushing for darned near three decades, they have *nothing* fresh. All the franchises getting a Vita title that I mentioned above are from the PS3 generation. considering that the majority of early adopters that will by the Vita early come from the PS3 userbase, it seems extremely logical to include the most popular PS3 exclusive franchises in the launch line up. Wouldn't you say?

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

@ Qubex

Sales figures are not relevant to this topic according to the adminstrator. I hope you can detect a level of sarcasm in my post. 🙂

I think you may be correct about a potential price drop if sales remain sluggish. Analysts are already talking about that in Forbes, and the WSJ. I think Sony could learn a lot from 3DS's troubles. It stumbled right after its launch. Gamers were saying it was too expensive and there were no games. There was a lot of doom and gloom surrounding the 3DS. Nintendo QUICKLY responded with an aggressive price cut and a steady stream of key console selling titles. It has worked. 450,000-480,000 3DS's sold in a week in Japan alone is pretty amazing.

Just to put some context on the Vita's huge drop off in sales, the 3DS sold 370,000 in week one and then sold 210,000 units in week two.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 12/30/2011 10:05:05 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

With the greatest of respect, the analysts in Forbes and the WSJ are not the greatest when it comes to analyzing the video game market. Then again they are not the greatest when it comes to analyzing much of anything IMHO.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 12/30/2011 10:42:55 AM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Those "same tired IP's" they have been pushing for decades are stil a lot more fun than 80% of whats out on the market that is considered "fresh" so Nintendo is doing something right.

DarthNemesis
DarthNemesis
9 years ago

@ Jawnkee lol you always said that,but that is your opinion and you can not prove that those games are better than 80 percent of games out and they are not better than 80 percent,50 percent or 10 percent.Nintendo keeps rehashing the same games so of course people who like Nintendo will buy them when that is all that is available.They are good games,but they are fa frm what they were since the SNES days when they were fresher.

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

I was a little interested in getting this but when I found out it has a nonremovable battery and a new propietary flash memory format I completly lost interes in it. Why do that?

If later on there is a model with a removable baterry and the prices of the flash memory units are at more reasonable price points, I might get it.


Last edited by Ignitus on 12/29/2011 9:36:26 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Why do that? Um, let's see, because piracy killed the PSP's software sales in the west and the battery and memory cards were two vectors used to allow custom firmware and pirated games to work. See now, it's not that hard to figure out really.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Meh, iPods have had non removable batteries since their inception. As far as I'm concerned that's not a problem.

___________
___________
9 years ago

yes always blame it on piracy, which these "solutions" have NEVER sold!
PSP GO had a proprietary USB slot and non removable battery to "stop piracy", how did that turn out?
vita has a proprietary memory card and again non removable battery to "stop piracy".
been out for a week, and they already have homebrew running!
it uses a proprietary memory card for 1 reason and only 1 reason.
so they can milk more money out of consumers!
70 bucks EB wants for the 16GB!
not the 32, the 16!
i picked up a sandisk which are way more expensive then other brands today for 20!
hell, even when they launched what 2 years ago they were around 50!
this is one reason why $ony are in last place this gen, and always will be!
treating their fans like disposable ATMs!

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

Jawk, the baterry is an issue to me because I have seen Ipods lose their useful charge as years go by. A few years down the line and those ipods can't play music for an hour because the baterry's life has run out.

I like the freedom to have removable batteries in my devices. I don't like to buy them again just because the battery died. This is the reason why I don't have an iPod either. 😉

Kagamin
Kagamin
9 years ago

The battery is removable, it says so in the vita manual. You just need to unscrew some screws. I know it's not really that pratical but it works.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Highlander… unfortunately the pirates have already cracked it wide open with news coming through that flaws have been found in the Vita's encryption algorithms.

Sony has some work cut out in order to keep the minions at bay.

But with this activity starting so soon… it doesn't bode well… { s i g h }… here we go again!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
9 years ago

*when I found out it has a nonremovable battery and a new propietary flash memory format I completly lost interes in it.*

LOL then you musn't have had any real interest in it in the first place. Like alot of people… Just talking crap to be interesting siding with the skeptical people is trendy. Kidding! ;P

But yeah I am actually quite happy for the batterry thing you know 😛 I have to sell extended warranties… Sooooo 😀 Batterry not removable = covered by our 2-3 years replacement plan 😀 😀 Good argument mu u hahaha 😀

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

@Quebex,

Indeed. As we both know, it's very difficult to maintain the security of anything digital – which is what actually makes the PS3 so remarkable – even now. But with respect to the wonderful world of hacking attacking the Vita I say this;

Oh goody. The Internet's endless supply of dumb-ass, entitlement minded script kiddies and 188t h4xx0r5 will attempt to do their usual BS. The problem I see here is not so much related to the Vita or Sony, but to all makers of electronics. At some point makers of these kinds of device are going to make a business decision based on the inability to make a profit due to piracy and stupidity – and stop making them. Thanks in advance to all those dumbass hackers out there for spoiling the party for everyone – I bet you were all the life of the party at school.

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

So nonremovable Battery and a new propietary format to keep hackers at bay? Yeah right. Like that was going to work.

It's obvious to me the reason is to get more money from customers while at the same time giving us less convenience.

Like I said, for these reasons I'm not buying it.

Warrior Poet
Warrior Poet
9 years ago

You need to be a lot more than a script kiddie to crack open a platform like the Vita. Especially when it's so new to the world. I myself use homebrew on my PSP – fan games, playing lossless FLAC music, etc. It really does make the unit more useful. But the fact that homebrew enables piracy means piracy always follows, and a lot of honest hackers refuse to release their exploits. There are a few guys who have total over their ps3s even now and aren't sharing. I think that's a good thing, really. I want the games ecosystem to stay afloat a while longer.

mehrab2603
mehrab2603
9 years ago

The Vita being hacked so fast is of course Sony's fault also. Hackers are saying that the encryption system used in Vita fails more than even the PS3. What is Sony doing paying moron programmers who can't write something to protect their system even for a month? The 3DS has been out for quite some time now and it hasn't been hacked yet. Really, Sony should kick out the idiots behind Vita programming and hire some real experts.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I know. ANd I'm a student living on a relatively small income with a wife who said no more new consoles until school is done…. It's an uphill battle for me and Vita… but maybe this ninja can think of cunning ways to make it happen and rise to the call of duty.

like the Michael commericial… I stand up and yell "For SONY!"

=p


Last edited by Temjin001 on 12/29/2011 9:37:07 PM

Nas Is Like
Nas Is Like
9 years ago

Your wife tells you what you can and can't buy?

smh

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Husbands should be considerate of their wives requests.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

hey, nas, we all have our burdens to bare and that's one I'm not going to trifle with. how many marriages end because of disputes over money?

CrusaderForever
CrusaderForever
9 years ago

I always consult my wife before I purchase anything. Guys who don't are chauvinistic and lack female respect.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Temjin..

If 19 years of marriage has tought me anything, it's that staying married is all about picking which battlefield to fight over.

I was told that once 15 years ago, and you know what? Our marriage is only getting better.

Glad to see you seem to have that idea! 😉

Jed
Jed
9 years ago

I'm reserving mine tomorrow with the help of some hefty gift cards I recieved recently.

bebestorm
bebestorm
9 years ago

Sales will pick up with the right games like the 3DS. I really don't know when I'll buy one. The price is fine though I think the memory cards could be little cheaper. The only negative is the totally annoying one psn account per system.

Kagamin
Kagamin
9 years ago

Exactly. What Vita needs are big profile exclusive games to make people excited about the system like Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy. Also, new IPs that take fully advantage of the system strengths would help.

I am interested in Gravity Rush, Persona 4 Gold and Ys 4, but it needs more system sellers.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

I saw an article at Game Informer that said Vita sales have plummeted 78% in its second week. Those numbers represent the largest second week decline in the entire history of console gaming according to GI. The Vita sold around 72,000 consoles in its second week. The 3DS sold a whopping 453,000 units in that same week. The PSP sold 110,000 consoles.

Now we saw Nintendo quickly respond to sagging sales by aggresively cutting the 3DS's price in an attempt to restore confidence in the brand. It seems to have paid off. Is Sony prepared to do the same? I would hope so if that sales trend continues. What is a little discouraging about those numbers is that Japan has been way more supportive of Sony's handhelds than other regions so I have no clue as to why there has been such an alarming drop off in Vita sales. That's Sony's homecourt so to speak. If they struggle there I don't think that bodes well for other regions.

Those memory card prices are a problem as well. They almost read like a suicide note from the Vita. Cheap flash memory is available now. I have seen many comments from gamers stating they WERE interested in a Vita until the details came out.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 12/29/2011 10:01:40 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Yes, because Game Informer is a) completely non biased, b) the ultimate news source and c) known for it's precise use of numbers.

You're not going to see this thing take a price nose dive after a few months it's not a cheap piece of crap with am optical illusion for a gimmick selling for far above it's cost to manufacture.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

It's not just GI reporting those numbers. The Sixth Axis and other sites have them as well. As for a price cut. I hope Sony is prepared to do that if sales continue to be an issue. 453,000 thousand consoles sold in a week isn't half bad for a gimmicky cheap piece of crap.

Karosso
Karosso
9 years ago

Yes, the memory card prices announced by Sony were the deciding factor for me no getting it period. I understand Highlander's logic with the whole piracy and the need for security and that's fine but, I for one will wait until the price of the 32GB hits $50. Sorry Sony but I'm no made of money 🙂 So a 32GB ($120) memory stick costs almost half of a PS3??? Sorry, no matter how much of a fanboy I am, I can't eat this load of crap from Sony… I will buy the Vita eventually but, not until it comes down in price… By the looks of it, I hope it isn't at a fire-sale thou 🙁

DazeOfWar
DazeOfWar
9 years ago

@Karosso: The 32gb cards are actually only $100 now. I know it's only a $20 difference but it is cheaper. There's an article on IGN with all the accessory prices.

Karosso
Karosso
9 years ago

@ DazeOfWar
I saw them now for $99.99, no shipping and no tax @ New egg .com, its better but still too pricy for me, just scored 2 32GB Micro SD cards for $60 flat.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

You know, I just have to ask.

What does this have to do with the article? What? I know you get great pleasure in posting sales numbers to prove another piece of Sony hardware is "failing," but I don't even get how that's relevant here.

I'm talking about something very specific in this piece. And instead of responding to that point, you go off on yet ANOTHER rant of how something Sony-related sucks on the sales charts.

Could you maybe STOP doing that for say, just one week?

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

You said the sales have trailed off so that's how they relate to this article. Duh. It always nice to have some numbers to quantify that. Sales do matter and are a measure of success. I never said the Vita was a failure, either. You are putting words in my mouth. Do you see the word "failing" anywhere in the post above? I don't think the Vita is a failure. It launched with nearly double the sales of the origuinal PSP. It's the huge drop off in sales in the second week that are a concern. Some sites have said its even a record breaking drop off. Why hide from that?

You are riding my a$$ for posting sales figures in an article that directly relates to Vita sales and its success. Ridiculous. The answer to your question is no I won't stop. It's on topic to this article with all do respect.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 12/30/2011 1:11:00 AM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

You're getting an awfully big attitude, Excelsior. You haven't stopped taking jabs at me (calling me "Mr. Adminstrator" in an obvious mocking fashion) or other people for some time. Then you run around telling everyone how stupid I'm being by mocking me even more. That IS going to stop.

This article, as denoted by the freakin' headline, is about the targeted demographic for the Vita and how they need to respond. The primary point was NOT sales. You turned it into that so you could once again post sales numbers to make Sony look terrible. Using words like "plummeted" and saying it's the biggest decline "in history" in a week over week comparison implies a whole lot.

Now, you've been warned. Stop taking jabs at me, stop taking jabs at others, stop taking jabs at the site. Got it? I'm sick of this growing attitude of yours and this sudden belief that you don't have to listen to other people, including me.

Next time I ask something POLITELY, which is what I did in the initial post, you're going to either respond politely or you're simply going to do what I ask without whining and without the attitude. End of story. I would recommend not responding to this post. Just let it sink in, please.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 12/30/2011 10:14:55 AM

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

I said no politely and with all do respect. I get along fine with other members so I don't know what you are talking about there. Go single out everybody else who talked about sales in this thread. Plummeted is exactly what everybody else is saying about the Vita's sales in week two. A simple google search will reveal that. It is what it is. Oh my God I used the word plummeted because I saw it in other headlines. Unless one has their head stuck in the sand there is no way to avoid that word out there. I got the freaking censor police on my back telling me what words I can use now. Wow. I will stop using Mr adminstrator out of respect in the future so do not think I am blowing off everything you said. I will also try to be as polite as possible. A sales chart is not going to break Sony's back. There's nothing wrong with expressing concern about a surprising drop off in sales.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 12/30/2011 10:50:29 AM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

You're not getting this. You entirely missed the point of the article and continue to ignore me when I politely ask you to stay on topic, and see if you can even go one single week without posting sales numbers that make it look like the world is ending for Sony. You just won't stop. It's like a broken record.

So, stop posting in this thread. You're done on this topic.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

I did not miss the point. Go ahead and ban me if you like. It would be wrong, because I'm getting singled out. Everybody else is talking about sales on this very thread. I guess they don't get it either. It's not fair that you single me out, and you know it. Telling me what I can and can not post is flat out wrong. Threads are for expressing opinions freely as long as one is not breaking any rules. You just don't like it because it might make Sony look bad. It's just a sales chart that MULTIPLE people have mentioned in this very thread. I think its relevant and the 9 thumbs up I got shows that others do as well. I guess once again we don't see eye to eye on a topic but I do think that's okay. That happens all the time in threads.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 12/30/2011 11:24:37 AM

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

We are going to miss you Excelsior.

Though I didn't agree with you all the time you are one of the few who kept things balanced in the comments section and could actually back up his responses.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Still can't stop? Try again.

I am not being protective of ANYTHING. You may not have noticed, but I've been lukewarm on the Vita since it was announced. I've even been accused of being against it.

There are multiple examples of you calling me out in various posts to other members. There are countless examples of you posting sales numbers – many of them FALSE – and having to be corrected by other members.

That's enough.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 12/30/2011 11:56:58 AM

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

You are correct. I have messed up numbers in the past. Twice that I know of. That's why I strive to make sure they are accurate now, I won't post them unless I cross referenced them on three independent sites. It's been a LONG time since I screwed up any numbers. You just like to constantly bring that up to render my opinion invalid. Anytime something makes Sony look bad you ride in to the rescue just like on that Skyrim thread. Oh no. Skyrim has problems on the PS3. It might make it look bad. You told me I have not even played the game to render my opinion invalid on that subject as well. I got singled out even though multiple people reported problems on that very thread. Oh well. You just love singling me out for some reason. It's just plain wrong.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Stop accusing me of protecting Sony. That's CRAP. I WAS THE ONE WHO WROTE THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE PS3 VERSION OF SKYRIM HAVING MAJOR PROBLEMS.

I was also the one to constantly post every single negative news headline concerning the Vita.

I'll post a hundred articles in the past four years that are blatantly anti-Sony or in support of other games and other platforms. Now, are you going to stop or are you going to continue to accuse me of things that aren't true? Public bashing of the site and those who run probably isn't advisable, although you seem to think it's all fine and dandy.

Last chance to STOP TALKING.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

You did ride my a$$ in that article and you know it. It compares quite favorably with the 360 version(outside of being broken) and you said or that I have not even played the game. That's the God's honest truth. I'm not bashing this site…it's you that is the problem. There is difference between bashing and critism. You butt into threads and attempt to shape them to your liking. You started this with your whining about a freaking sales chart for Christ's sakes.


Last edited by Excelsior1 on 12/30/2011 5:35:20 PM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

You're done for now. I don't want to see another post from you for a little while, got it?

Take a break. When you can admit a single solitary point – that you constantly post negative sales figures, that you constantly take jabs at me when responding to other people (I'll point out the posts if you like), and that you absolutely refuse to acknowledge that there are authority figures here who AREN'T you, you're welcome to contribute.

Until then, I will politely ask you to refrain from disturbing everything with your endless "Sony sucks because the sales suck" posts. You can either temporarily cool it, or I'll cool it for you.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

I'm not going to stop so you may as well cool it for me. I have never ONCE said Sony sucks. That's your words. Crying over a sales chart. Again, it's unbelievable. You said be critical all you want just be accurate. I have tried to do that. I'm not going to stop the way I post period.