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The Mandatory Game Installations For PS4 Explained In Full

Looks like you'll have to be diligent about cleaning your hard drive.

You may have heard that the digital versions of some PS4 games come in at a hefty 50GB. However, as it turns out, the physical versions of those games require the same amount of hard drive space.

According to Kotaku , regardless of whether you call it installation or caching, you'll still need to save huge chunks of PS4 games to the system's hard drive. This is mandatory.

PS4 lead architect Mark Cerny spoke about how the new console will deal with a disc-based game: It will start to save parts of the game to the hard drive; for instance, Knack will ultimately take up 37GB of space. You'll only have to wait ten seconds or so before you can start playing, but the caching still has to happen. Cerny said Sony actually considered utilizing an auto-delete function that would get rid of installed data that the player hasn't touched in a while. But they decided against it.

The reason they considered it is because we'll obviously have to keep deleting installed data as the generation goes on. Even 1TB hard drives could only hold 20 games at 50GB each (and many of the launch titles come in at 50GB), and the system comes with a default 500GB drive. The bottom line is that the PS4 isn't designed to read games off discs. …sounds odd, but that's the way it is.

If you opt to go digital, you will have to wait longer for the installation process. And if you're wondering, yes, the Xbox One works the same way.

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newchef
newchef
10 years ago

i might be reading this wrong but as i understand this…its going to be a problem for me. I have 60+ games saved on my PS3 and I have gone back to play most of them months, if not years, after i finished them. Having only enough room for 10 game s is ridiculous to me, so hopefully there's another solution that i haven'y realized yet

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

Do you really, seriously need 60+ games installed locally on your machine at all times?
Cause you do realize you can reinstall them again, download them again or whatever whenever you like?

I believe this urge of having everything stored on your drive stems from habits only. You are used to having all games sitting there on a shelf and you feel uncomfortable in not having them "close to you", virtually.

bldudas1
bldudas1
10 years ago

@ Beamboom Not everyone wants to go through reinstalling a game again when they go back to play it. I don't.

godsman
godsman
10 years ago

There shouldnt be much wait to install, considering you play immediately and continue to install in the background. The problem is not installing, its deleting.

It depends on how the ps4 handles install files. Are we required to install full game to hop into one multiplayer game?

Also the game file seem huge to compensate the download version. The disc based game may or may not be optimized in conserving hard drive space

newchef
newchef
10 years ago

its not that i mind waiting for the install its that i dont wanna lose the save data

coverton341
coverton341
10 years ago

@newchef deleting the game data is not the same as deleting the save data, it's two completely separate things. No worries about that, bud.

matt99
matt99
10 years ago

Ya you won't lose save data, and it's not like on the PS3 where you have to wait for the whole game to install before you play, it installs as you play so really the only inconvenience anyone will experience is having to delete install data.

Not sure why they didn't implement an auto-delete feature that could be turned on if you wanted it.

monkeypunch
monkeypunch
10 years ago

I don't think it will be a problem. Not all games are going to be 50GB each. I'm guessing it will mainly be the AAA titles. After those you'll have the majority at 10 to 20GB per game and then everything else will be 100MB to 1GB. You'll have maybe 50 to 100 games before it will fill up.

Is the hard drive replaceable? Can you attach an external hard drive?

Temjin001
Temjin001
10 years ago

helps pave the way for an all digital PS4 down the road. Without any optical disc drive they'd be able to make a lower cost and slimmer design easily.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/11/2013 11:15:41 PM

Shams
Shams
10 years ago

Another bright side, according to Guerrilla Games head Herman Hulst, no more load screens. Three minutes from the time you insert the KZ:SF disc, watch an intro movie, and create your save file, until you can start playing. He says loading screens are a thing of the past now.

Norrin Radd
Norrin Radd
10 years ago

How do you watch Blu Rays then?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

That'll be the superslim? Yeah you're probably right.

matt99
matt99
10 years ago

@Norrin Radd I suppose you'll be SOL for Blu Rays but at the rate video streaming services are gaining popularity by the time this happens watching movies off netflix or whatever will be the norm.

Feryx
Feryx
10 years ago

That is so odd. I suppose I don't mind deleting the installed data since I tend not to replay titles often.

Cesar_ser_4
Cesar_ser_4
10 years ago

I'm pro this if Sony makes it so that the WHOLE game installs on the HDD instead of just parts of it, this will prevent wear and tear on the optical drive due to the constant moving and spinning of the disc needed to read the content, and could shorten loading times. And this could work if when they implement the external HDD support you could transfer games back and forth between devices. This could even go deeper as in the PS4 could format the external HDD in a way so it can only be read by that certain PS4 so as to prevent piracy.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

That's how the Wii U works. Since the largest internal storage is 32gb, games like Batman take up 18gb. I moved it to the external HDD to save internal space for updates and save data. I could always move it back onto the Wii U if I wanted but won't have too because you can play games right off the HDD. Not sure why Sony hasn't done the same.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

That's up to the software designers and not Sony. I would assume most just makes it so the whole game is installed in one go.
I too would prefer it that way.

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
10 years ago

It's like no one realized this when the CoD:Ghosts case was shown. It literally said on it that there was a mandatory install of like 49gb or some amount. Of course all the games were going to do it.

Teddie9
Teddie9
10 years ago

Seems like they made all these decisions to quicken the change to digital distribution. Bothers me quite a bit really…. but whatever I'm used to cleaning out my hard drive of old ps3 games all the time even when it's not remotely close to reaching maximum capacity.


Last edited by Teddie9 on 11/11/2013 11:42:32 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

This is pretty lame. It's bad enough that you have to install large hunks of games on the PS3. Between all the installs, DLC and full games on my HDD, my PS3 is pretty much full. They really need to follow Nintendo on this and make it so you can play games off an external HDD.


Last edited by Jawknee on 11/11/2013 11:45:39 PM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
10 years ago

I don't think it matters much at all. If I delete an installed game and go back later, it'll just re-cache as I play. Like with Knack, you can start playing in 10 seconds without it being installed.

If that's the case for most disc-based games, who cares?

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

You're right then I suppose since it does make a difference that we won't have to sit there and wait for it to install before we can play it like with the PS3. Really just a storage inconvience at that point which isn't a big deal now that I think about it unless I plan to buy a bunch of stuff like I did with the PS3. Which I don't see myself doing as much of this new gen.

telly
telly
10 years ago

I agree with Ben completely — it starts to cache immediately, so it doesn't seem difficult at all to swap in new games and delete old ones, or to reinstall those old games later on when you want. A great-sounding system (though it caught me a bit off-guard, too.)

MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
10 years ago

Just another reason why it makes me not want to own the system. I feel like returning Killzone now but I guess I just have to suck it up and not be a little bitc/-/ about it. Here I come PS4 treat me nice.

berserk
berserk
10 years ago

Well , xbox does the same so unless you want a wii u , you have to accept this .

Gabriel013
Gabriel013
10 years ago

Or keep with the current generation of consoles?

matt99
matt99
10 years ago

Why does this make you not want the system? You don't have to wait to play like you do on the PS3. The only inconvenience is having to delete old install data once in a while, which is a pretty minor inconvenience.

matt99
matt99
10 years ago

woops double post


Last edited by matt99 on 11/12/2013 8:55:07 PM

duomaxwell007
duomaxwell007
10 years ago

w2ll hopefully on a year or two PS4 will have shorter install sizes or no installs at all.. after all remember when ps3 first launched EVERY game had a mandatory 5+ gb install…. and now look at it.. how many games in the last 2-3 years can anyone name that had MANDATORY installs? Im hoping thats how ps4 ends up eventually

Anonymous
Anonymous
10 years ago

What qre you talking about? Mass Effect Trilogy was 9 gigs. Tekken Tag 2 was 8 gigs. RAGE was 8 gigs. Deadly Premonition was 4 gigs. GTA 5 was 8 gigs. Resident Evil 6 was 5 gigs. Dragon's Dogma 5 gigs. Duke Nukem Forever 5 gigs. Way more prevalent now then the beginning of the gen when most were actually optional.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

If there is a mandatory install or not totally depends on the game. If the game is large enough and requires enough data to be read fast, there are no way around moving the data over to the local drive.

Personally I can't recall the last time I played a game straight from disc, it must be years ago.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

I now have no excuse not to go digital unfortunately. Im not happy about this at all actually. However, if there is a bright side I suppose its that loading is cut down.
Does anyone know of you can swap hard drives in the PS4 without having to reformat and lose data? If so this is okay I suppose. It only reminds me of memory cards though.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

If you swap drives you will need to install the games on the new drive. I seriously doubt Sony will let you just copy the files from the old to the new drive via your PC or something.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
10 years ago

Thats not what im asking. With the 360 you can swap out hard drives without reformatting them everytime you put a new one in therefore no data on the hdd is lost or swiped. The PS3 has a mandatory reformat anytime you do this so any data on the hdd is lost when its put in the PS3.

My question was is this the case still with the PS4 or can we swap hdd? Because essentially you can keep certain games on an hdd and just install it when you want to play those games. Space wouldnt be an issue and like I said it would remind me of the memory card days.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

Ah – now I understand what you mean, sorry. Of that I have no idea. I would not be surprised if you still need to do that though (reformat, that is), since they don't even allow external drives.

FatherSun
FatherSun
10 years ago

I was immediately going to upgrade to a 1 or 1.5 Terabyte hard drive for the PS4 but I then thought that if I can play a game in seconds while it downloads I can live with the small drive for now. It will give me time to decide once I know how Gaikai is going to be implemented. I won't be using as much space if I can stream a large amount of games without having them take up space.
I wonder how that is going to work with the Instant Game Collection. That alone has filled the 500 GB drive in my PS3 and I find myself constantly deleting and installing. At this point I have my old fatty filled with all my PS1, PS2, minis and smaller PSN games and the slim has the large games on it. I'd rather not have to do this anymore. Let me have access to my entire game collection without restriction please.

Only 3 days guys. Anticipation is at a fever pitch.


Last edited by FatherSun on 11/12/2013 2:08:06 AM

johnld
johnld
10 years ago

this could work for the single player portion, what about multiplayer? i dont know how thi works but if i have to install data for multiplayer on a gamei havent played for a while like i do, it doesnt make sense to wait just for a few rounds.

matt99
matt99
10 years ago

Yeah, I'm curious about that too. My guess is it will install the entire MP part separately.

Ather
Ather
10 years ago

Guess they hate backlogs. Of course, now people can't buy a lot of games. Have to play one from start to finish before the next one. Not sure how this isn't going to hurt sales.

Going digital is the same problem. We'd need way bigger harddrives, or smaller games. They won't make them smaller. Trend is bigger. Can't have bigger harddrives, because we won't pay for it, and they won't increase for free.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

The savegame files are *obviously* stored. You will not need to start all over if you uninstall and reinstall a game.


Last edited by Beamboom on 11/12/2013 3:53:30 AM

telly
telly
10 years ago

Local and cloud-saved everything, dude. Your historical record will be preserved 🙂

matt99
matt99
10 years ago

Ya, I think a lot of people are confusing game installs with save data, which is understandable.

___________
___________
10 years ago

50GB a pop, and they only choose to offer a 500GB system?
seriously!?
i mean come on 500GB is what you got in electronics FIVE years ago!
hell my 300 dollar laptop for work came with a 750GB HDD, and that does not have programs up and above of 50GB!
sigh.
and to make that even better you cant use a external HDD!
WTF!?
wheres the logic in that!?
i said it once, twice, a billion times and ill say it again.
the more and more time passes, the more and more im glad i canceled my ps4 preorder!
gotta love it how $ony waits till the week of launch to announce this stuff too.
its all good news till the launch week, then its time to open up the sewers.
typical!
a bit disingenuous towards your loyal customers no?
i always said the departure of father ken would destroy the success of the company, but they dident have to prove me right!

JROD0823
JROD0823
10 years ago

Have fun with your Xbone, we don't want you on the PlayStation Network.

Good riddance!

matt99
matt99
10 years ago

…you do realize that the only difference you will see is that from time to time you will have to take a couple seconds to delete old game installs, hardly something to get so worked up about.

The 500 GB is a good middle ground between having enough memory to satisfy most people and keeping the price reasonable. If you really need more memory you can upgrade the hard drive, it's not that expensive.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
10 years ago

Yeah… I called this back when they released that little fact sheet, and I'm still miffed at it. I just really, really hate that idea of having to juggle your cached data when it is at that ridiculous size. Sure, it may not be so difficult to delete, and the caching may be a faster process on the PS4 than it is on the PS3, but this is something that I'd expect from a PC game.

As far as I'm concerned, consoles shouldn't have to deal with this kind of crap.

Looks like the same principle applies with the Xbox One, although it also seems as though there may be a longer gap of time between putting the disc in and being able to play the game.

I really can't fathom this.


Last edited by Lawless SXE on 11/12/2013 3:51:47 AM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

This is one of the negatives of console becoming more PC like, I'm already used to juggling space but knowing it will get worse troubles me.

Beamboom
Beamboom
10 years ago

I don't understand how this can come as a surprise, especially since most games already on the PS3 has a mandatory install.

It's simple logic: The more data that needs to be read, the more read speed matters. And a blu-ray disk is pure thick sirup compared to a hard drive and especially a SSD.

Would you guys really prefer to sit and wait for an eternity on loading screens each and every time you play a game, over and over, instead of moving the data to a faster drive just once, and then get a more fluid gaming experience with much shorter loading screens and hold-ups?

I mean, come ON! Seriously, you guys are a few notches too anal about this whole hard drive thing.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

It's a multipronged problem. I think the bigger deal is as console gamers we enjoy the ease of use of a console, constantly managing hard drive space is a problem/time waster for PC gamers that we like to avoid. This also means all the games we own (for people who have more than a few titles) will not be immediately available to play, we will be plagued by warnings to make more space.

Now the fraction of our library that we DO have access to without a hassle will be smaller than it was on PS3 where the biggest mandatory install was 8 gigs.

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
10 years ago

Hang on Beam, are you saying a game with loading screens is a more fluid experience than one without!? How do you work that one out lol…don't think I read that right.

Also, do you not think we're going backwards with these ridiculous install sizes for the sake of no loading screens? Naughty Dog have managed that with no mandatory install since 2007. You're waiting 2-3 minutes tops when you start the single player, and you're not engaged at this point, so…go make a coffee or something…

I mean, if every game is going to be close to 50GB, 1TB doesn't seem too big anymore. I haven't thought this all through yet, but doesn't constant caching sound really loud? And don't you have mini-loading moments when it starts? I remember GT5 did something like this, and it was tedious. So I'd have to go through this all the time if I'm constantly uninstalling games…


Last edited by Ludicrous_Liam on 11/12/2013 9:27:52 AM

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