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What Must The PS4 Do To Convince Consumers Out Of The Gate?

There are a number of factors to consider when making any sizable purchase.

And assuming the PlayStation 4 will be viewed by most as a "sizable purchase," what do you think is the most critical element for the new machine?

Many will make it simple- "Just gimme the games I want," they'll say. Ah, but that's wicked subjective and what that translates to for Sony is, "Give the PS4 games that sell." And that means that we'll either need amazing-looking exclusives that are promoted to the death or recognizable franchise names like Uncharted , Gran Turismo , Killzone , etc. But of course, it's more complicated than that.

Price is always a huge issue; is it the biggest issue for most consumers? Or is it more like, "I'll pay a little more if the games kick ass?" Then again, if the system is $600 or more, many simply won't be able to swing it, regardless of software quality. Then there's the question of backwards compatibility, which is always a sticky situation early on during a generation. Sony was right in saying the cry for b/c wanes as a generation moves on (that's only logical), but right off the bat, gamers are gonna have a lot of PS3 titles they'll still want to play. Let's not forget that PS3 games will continue to be made for at least a couple years after the PS4 launches… Furthermore, what about available space in an entertainment center or something like that…?

So what's most important for you? What tops your list? What will Sony have to produce for you to say, "Yes, I'm getting the PS4 on day one"?

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ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
11 years ago

I don't think Sony can afford to release another console with a $599 price tag. That, along with the lack of big launch titles, made the PS3's launch a very rocky one. 2007 is already far behind, but I'm sure Sony could still recall those days and would like to keep that as a bad memory.

Personally, I'd like to see a bunch of quality titles launching along with the PS4. I just hope it will be a mix of new IPs and a few recognizable franchises (e.g. Uncharted, Infamous, Gran Turismo, etc.) I am probably better off not holding my breath for it, but it will be good to see backwards-compatibility for my existing PS3 games at least. A more seamless connectivity with the PS Vita would also totally rock!

jlch777
jlch777
11 years ago

Yeah! They should hit the $399 sweet spot for a launch console, along with gran turismo as a launch game.

But then again i will by the ps4 no matter the cost!:)

bebestorm
bebestorm
11 years ago

Good thrid party games especially from my favorites because Sonys first party games generally aren't appealing to me besides Quantic Dream and Team ICO.


Last edited by bebestorm on 9/16/2012 9:26:46 PM

Yukian
Yukian
11 years ago

Final Fantasy VII remake… nuff said.

Lol, I would like the revival of RPG's (Legend of Dragoon, FF's, Suikoden, etc.), the downsizing of FPS's, 1080p for ALL games, plug'n'play games (pfft, like that'd happen…) and the death of DLC (last one's more likely!) 😀

Fane1024
Fane1024
11 years ago

I agree with about half of this, so I can't decide which thumb to give it.

For my part, a price tag under $400 and backwards compatibility (more for PSN games than disc games) are the key elements. Oh, and a functional browser.


Last edited by Fane1024 on 9/17/2012 1:20:05 AM

firesoul453
firesoul453
11 years ago

Just some awesome games, squeals and original IPs!

Simple as that.

Gamer46
Gamer46
11 years ago

I can't speak for others but it honestly wouldn't take much to get me on board. I hopped on the Vita bandwagon right away because of Uncharted day one and knowing MLB 12 The Show, Mortal Kombat, Gravity Rush and LBP were soon to follow. All I need from PS4, an acceptable launch price ($400-$450), one killer game like Uncharted 4 or something else from one of Sony's studios, and the promise of great of at least 3-5 other games in the launch window that I would want.

Corvo
Corvo
11 years ago

Sony will have to be sure to label it as Playstation and im sold on it. Its never let me down

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
11 years ago

Btw, check Twitter for a site status update.

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
11 years ago

Why are you making me check twitter!?

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
11 years ago

Killer Tequilla,

I think Ben means this Twitter tweet made about 2 hours ago….

ATTENTION PSXE readers: Server transition between today and tomorrow; just an FYI.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
11 years ago

You must check the Twitter, damnit…if I'm taking the time to update it a lot, you better check it! 🙂

…no, I don't like it, either, but hey…

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
11 years ago

And BTW, that was the first time I had ever checked twitter.

Beamboom
Beamboom
11 years ago

@Ben: If you are obliged to tweet stuff, can't you at least please cross publish it to Facebook too, so that those of us who don't care much for the toilet wall they call Twitter can get the messages too. There are plenty solutions out there who let you post on multiple social networks all at once.

And then finally, tell your boss to add your twitter feed to this page and you are good to go. 🙂

I mean, seriously; "Go to twitter to read a message about this server…" Gimme a break. Slap your boss with a floppy trout. :/


Last edited by Beamboom on 9/17/2012 2:47:35 AM

Underdog15
Underdog15
11 years ago

Wait, what? Of the two between facebook and twitter, TWITTER is the toilet wall? erm…

At least on twitter there is a decent degree of professional networking that goes on. And you only get the feed from people you WANT to get feed from. And you don't get countless requests to play stupid games. I have both, and facebook is definitely the trashier of the two.

Beamboom
Beamboom
11 years ago

Then that's your opinion Underdog, and thus perfectly illustrate why one should publish on both platforms.
Some prefer one, others prefer the other. As a professional you want to reach both groups. Publish on both, and case is solved.

(But in your own interests sake you really should look into how to block game requests on Facebook, if that is such a bother. Same goes with who you want to include ("follow") in your news stream.
You need not see a single post from someone on your friends list should you choose not to. All that has been easy to configure since long ago. And you can "follow" persons and organizations on FB just like on Twitter, they need not be on your friends list.)


Last edited by Beamboom on 9/17/2012 3:03:22 PM

Underdog15
Underdog15
11 years ago

Thanks for the tutorial, but I know perfectly well how facebook works. And with blocks, preferences, security settings and more, Facebook is still easily more invasive by a long shot. It's not really opinion. It's the nature of how the two are, and twitter remains more professional. Hands down. You want to social network on something like facebook, you don't use facebook. You use LinkedIn.

Beamboom
Beamboom
11 years ago

It sounds to me that you only want to use internet in your professional work. LinkedIn is a fundamentally different tool than Facebook (or Twitter). LinkedIn is a tool for professional networking. Facebook is for your private network. If we are friends and share an interest in music, I'd use your Facebook-wall to post a cool clip I found at Soundcloud – I'd not do that on LinkedIn (and I *could* not either – there are no functionality for that).
And likewise, I got my CV published on LinkedIn. There is no place to do such a thing on Facebook – and why should there be. They are not interchangeable. 🙂

But hey, if you don't like Facebook you don't like Facebook and there is no problem with that.


Last edited by Beamboom on 9/18/2012 4:20:09 AM

Kevin555
Kevin555
11 years ago

For me it needs to be a big leap in graphics & have enough quality games for me to justify buying it.

I don't think either will be an issue with the PS4 therefore buying it, I shall.

The X Factor 9
The X Factor 9
11 years ago

Show me the software in the works. Impress me with the hardware. Keep the entry point below $500 with backwards compatibility and I'll consider a day one purchase.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Day 1 for consoles is a rarity for me, it would have to be well priced, have full Playstation brand backwards compatibility, and at least one epic JRPG at launch time.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
11 years ago

If they put out an epic JRPG, all I can say is that they better put their weight behind the project and publish it themselves as well as delivering on all support promises.

Beamboom
Beamboom
11 years ago

Highlander, speaking of that: In regards to the WKC DLC, can't you just make a Japanese account and buy it from the Japanese store?

Underdog15
Underdog15
11 years ago

Yeah, but then he'd have to learn Japanese, too. That's one length I'm not willing to go to either. I'm done with WKC.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
11 years ago

Unfortunately, the DLC is region locked, like the servers are. Japan is separate to the NA/EU server(s). Like Underdog says, I'd have to learn written Japanese to do that, and replay the game all the way to GR 30 which takes a minimum of about 500 hours. I've already given the game more than enough time, I won't do that.

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
11 years ago

All they have to do is say, "PS4 is on the way!" and im sold. But two big selling points for me are backwards compatability (PS3) and keeping my digital downloads from PSN. Anything else is just a plus.

homura
homura
11 years ago

METAL GEAR SOLID 5 or 6 BUNDLE.

Lemon_Saint
Lemon_Saint
11 years ago

I've been wondering about this myself. Sony has, with their last three consoles, ushered in new eras of physical media that caught on with the masses. (PS3=blu ray, PS2=DVD, PS1=CD format). Now I realize the CD format was being utilized by other consoles at the time, (I had most of 'em), but none of them were the insurmountable success that the PSOne was.

The games will come, (guaranteed), but what media format will Sony unleash this time around that will shock the hell out of everyone?


Last edited by Lemon_Saint on 9/16/2012 11:21:30 PM

homura
homura
11 years ago

4K resolution games might be distribute in a form of external usb drive. Time Scapes is a 4k movie, The price is $299 in a form of external USB drive.

Just found out that there is an ongoing development for a 1TB blu ray disc. Blu ray might still be the media of PS4.


Last edited by homura on 9/16/2012 11:49:17 PM

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
11 years ago

A 1TB bluray disc seems excesive.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
11 years ago

BluRay already has a higher revision with 33GB per layer and up to 4 layers on a single disc. The standard permits for more layers still. On top of that, no 4K displays means no 4K resolution content. Which means 1080p content, which fits nicely on BluRay.

PS4 will use the higher capacity BluRay which is backwards compatible with current BluRay.

homura
homura
11 years ago

killa tequilla,

nope, when Panasonic is already has an 8K prototype plasma TV. Check it out, it's crazy.

http://www.bornrich.com/panasonics-145-inch-8k-resolution-plasma-tv-debuts.html

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
11 years ago

Holy!

Lemon_Saint
Lemon_Saint
11 years ago

I was hoping you guys would toss around some more outlandish ideas, (like the holographic imaging that is currently being developed).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89KxxpmMhi4

This is obviously fake, but how cool would this be?

AcHiLLiA
AcHiLLiA
11 years ago

it better have fully backwards compatibility, that's all I'm saying for now.

Phoenix
Phoenix
11 years ago

I couldnt agree more, if PS4 doesnt have BC, I'm not touching it, I'm sick of companies being too lazy to put it in. If I did get a PS4, I'd have a PS2, PS3, and a PS4 hooked up to be able to play my games, serisouly? gtfo with that, and to top that off I need a Vita and a PSP to play my portable devices, since the vita doesnt have true BC either… thanks sony, doing a bloody great job.

daus26
daus26
11 years ago

That's why I hope the next PlayStation will not abandon the cell processor, or else they're going to have to put up a really expensive emulation chip that is supposedly suppose to emulate the cell if it goes the X86 route.

Rogueagent01
Rogueagent01
11 years ago

" what do you think is the most critical element for the new machine?"

Getting it to the shelf, I'll take care of the rest.

There is no one thing I need, there are many little things that I seriously want, but regardless it will be sitting next to my TV day 1.

Beamboom
Beamboom
11 years ago

Wow – I wrote a comment almost exactly like yours.
Great minds think alike? 😉

Rogueagent01
Rogueagent01
11 years ago

I've noticed with a lot of your posts that we have very similar tastes and ideas, so not to sound like I have an ego or anything, but yes 🙂

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
11 years ago

PS4 must play everything PS3 does, out of the box.

Seriously, I have a lot invested in PS3 games including PS Plus content that is PS3 bound. If that doesn't work on PS4, they'll have to make a crap-ton of new compelling games to drag me away.

As for the issue of BC, I think that is becoming more, not less important, and I would argue that Sony agrees. Sony started releasing PS2 classics to PSN as well as numerous collections of remastered games. You don't do that if there is no demand for those PS2 games involved. BC is still an issue, it's just that Sony had to compromise on it's delivery. PS4 should not make that mistake. That's why it should be Cell based still, but with 2-4 times as much computing power. With that oomph, it would be possible to emulate the PS2 for the majority of games, and provide PS3 compatibility too.

TO go back to the PS Plus element of what I am talking about, there is hundreds and hundreds of dollars of content that individual gamers have paid for on Home and on PSN/PS Plus, all of that is PSN based, but runs on PS3. That content must continue to be available on PS4 once it launches, which means PS4 needs to be able to be PS3 compatible. If it is not, how does Sony mollify all the PSN users and PS Plus subscribers that they will be screwing over?

daus26
daus26
11 years ago

The problem is that Sony might be planning to simply offer us PS3 games over the PSN to buy AGAIN, rather than BC. I'm going to be very upset, as well as many, if not all, my friends if that's the case. I can only imagine how upset the rest of the world will be.

Beamboom
Beamboom
11 years ago

My list of hopes and wishes for the PS4 is very long. But no single entry on that list is a deal-breaker for me. For me *not* to get a PS4 requires Sony to do something so insanely stupid that it's unthinkable.

I'll get me a PS4 no matter what, extremely likely right after launch.


Last edited by Beamboom on 9/17/2012 2:14:06 AM

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
11 years ago

1. Backwards Compatability

I wanna know that I can fully replace my PS3 with a machine that will act as a PS3 games and digital content player, plus be ready for current gen software. This is THE most important feature to me personally.

2. Costs under $700 AUD ($399 USD)

Anything over this amount and I'll be waiting the standard 1-2 years.

3. Comes out before or at the same time as the next Xbox.

Many friends of mine got 360's cos they were $300 cheaper at the time, came out a year before the PS3 AND had more games AND a better online service. By coming out before the next Xbox, PS4 will have more games and a better launch sales stat.

4. Fully loaded with social online services for free as part of PSN.

Party chat, group chat, video chat, group video chat, multi-tasking, drop-in/drop-out gameplay online and local multiplayer… THAT will get my friends interested in Playstation again.

5. More AAA games

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
11 years ago

I'm not sure about your pricing there. As it is, the PS3 is near parity with US pricing and unless Sony want a huge backlash, they will not offer such a huge discrepancy. I'd expect maybe a $100 difference at most. WiiU is $50 difference for basic and $80 for Premium models, so that's not really promising…

Gordo
Gordo
11 years ago

Watching the "the Vita is dead" threads for thr last six months I am worried about the noise that wraps around any hardware release nowadays.

The Vita is brilliant, was reasonably priced, had an extensive launch library and took things in a positive direction.

The whining and whinging… The horror. The sense of entitlement from this generation.

Ok Sony could have had the PSP and PSOne digital title downloadable from day one but there was plenty to choose from.

I fear the same for the PS4. Too expensive, not enough backwards compatibility, peripherals too expensive, not enough games etc.

So I think Sony is damned if they do and damned if they don't. They will get flak regardless of what they do!

Beamboom
Beamboom
11 years ago

Sorry, but I am so tired of complaints that we, the gamers, don't bite and swallow *anything* thrown our way. Tired of being accused for not "supporting the industry" enough or not be pleased with what we are served.

Vita is the wrong product at the wrong time. Period. Sony miscalculated and *thought* a dedicated gaming handheld from them would gain interest in the market and the third party developers. It has not.

And that is because nearly every potential buyer are too busy with their mobiles and pads to notice this thing from Sony with games costing 40 times as much and a selection of titles being 1/1000th of what they got available on their device.

The PS4 is an *entirely* different story – in fact it's almost the exact opposite. There is a high enough demand for an upgrade now. We *want* a better machine. We want to catch up with the PC gamers. We don't want to lag behind in the race against the Xbox.
There never was a demand for a new PSP. Not really.

So no, it will *not* be a repetition of the Vita story cause this time around they launch a product there is a demand for.


Last edited by Beamboom on 9/17/2012 4:38:49 AM

fatelementality
fatelementality
11 years ago

I believe that if the PS wants to truly expand it's roots as a gaming machine, then it needs to shoot for what the loyalists truly want, gaming. How about reducing lag and load times for games? That's always a big issue to me as a gamer. Draw distance helps as well, especially on sandbox and racing games. How about improve the graphics a little and evaporate all of the problems that have plagued gamers since, well, the very beginning. I do miss being able to pop a cartridge in any of the first 3 Nintendo systems and it was time to game instead of time to go make a sandwich and wait for everything to res.

ProfPlayStation
ProfPlayStation
11 years ago

Ban Online Pass content restrictions and online-related DRM of any kind. That will get me 80% of the way to the cash register.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
11 years ago

Can't say that I'll be getting one day one, regardless of what Sony offers. To push me closer to a launch window purchase, however, it will need backwards compatibility, an impressive (or at least not anaemic) list of launch games and… well, not a whole lot more. The specs will matter as well. The bigger the jump from the PS3, the better off it'll be. I'm sort of wondering how we'll gauge it though, considering the PS4 will be using x86 architecture rather than the more bizarre offerings that Sony have gone for in the past.

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