Ben-DutkaLet's be honest here:
The last system to truly do backwards compatibility correctly was the original "fatty" PlayStation 3, which featured the synthesizer chip at launch that allowed PS1 and PS2 games to play on the new machine. And it worked very well, didn't it?
At the time, Xbox 360 was using software emulation so some Xbox games worked on the new system. And it sucked. I still remember trying to play Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance II with a friend on the 360 and the emulation was so bad, it was basically unplayable. Every original Xbox game that supposedly worked on 360 sucked (of the ones I tried, at least). And then, to help lower the cost of the PS3, Sony removed that synthesizer chip, adopted a similar sort of software emulation, and everything has been downhill ever since.
I'm hearing PlayStation Now streaming doesn't work that great, either, and the updated report on the new Xbox One backwards compatibility isn't surprising: According to many, it blows . You know, there's a reason I still have the PS2 hooked up. It's because it plays PS2 and PS1 games absolutely perfectly and no system has managed to do such a fine job with b/c with the exception of that first PS3.
I remember everyone asking if PS4 should offer b/c as a feature and my only reply is this- not unless Sony can do it right . Do it right or don't do it at all. Period.
MS is doing the backwards compatibility thing to lure gamers who haven't upgraded from 360 to get a XO soon. It won't be long before plenty of more hardcore gamers are writing hate articles about how bad the XO's game emulation actually is. It's a casual gamer's "peace of mind" assurance about letting go of their old to embrace the new. Whereas the average gamer who freaks out over frame rate and pixel levels will most certainly stick to playing their X360 games on their actual X360.
Some Xbox games on 360 worked quite well (the one's I cared about anyway, like Team Ninja's stuff) but it was a hit or miss affair for other games, and it required that you had the HDD.
Let's not forget Nintendo though, if we're including them. They've been consistently supporting prior consoles since Gamecube.
Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/12/2015 9:58:12 PM
For all the maddening aspects of Nintendo, this is one thing they get right. Classic games I downloaded on Wii nine years ago are sitting right there on my Wii U right now. Lord knows it should be easier to transfer between systems, though (I have, HAVE to think they're going to do proper unified accounts with NX… right???)
Backwards compatibility is the same as a math result there is no in between is either right or wrong and as Ben said my PS2 is still connected and get alot of use (finished Aggressive Inline like a week ago, any extreme sports fan that was disapointed with THPS5 should get it).
I can't fathom the thinking to include Mass Effect 1 & 3, but not 2.
Its because there having problems games with multiple discs. That why mass effect 2 doesn't work yet. Remember the original mass effect 2 shipped with two discs on the xbox 360
I have a PS3 that has backwards compatibility. I have never used it. I feel if you're buying the new system it's because everything is bigger and better. I'm not going to go from call of duty on PS4 to call of duty on PS3. There may be a few nostalgia titles but it seems gimmicky to me.
Backwards compatibility is also relatively new. It started with the PS2 and eventually the 360 and the first few PS3's. People weren't pissed when the NES games weren't compatible with the SNES.
I've been playing Wii games on the WiiU and they run pretty good. So that accounts for something, right? It's really hard as far as PS games go to emulate vastly different architectures. I had higher hopes with MS since they seemed to be re-compiling the games to run on the One.
Also, way off topic but I'd like to know Ben's and anyone else who's a Final Fantasy VII fan about Cloud being a playable character on SMB?
Cloud on a Nintendo console game is probably foreshadowing of things to come. For all we know the NX will get the classic turn-based style full-on remake of FFVII and PS4 will get the action packed multiplayer enriched rendition of it.
Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/12/2015 10:37:55 PM
And just like that, every old FFVII fan gets an NX.
It would be historically huge. See, it was the N64 that was supposed to get the next BIG FF game (FFVII), and after long continuous delays and silence it was confirmed it wouldn't happen. Where the PSX enjoyed it all to itself.
Let's see if Nintendo does get the last laugh after all =p
The Wii U even upscale a then to 1080p which is a great improvement for some games, namely Skyward Sword and Metriod Prime 3.
Oh man! Just watched the Cloud Smash trailer. Amazing. The stage with all the Summons! Woohoo!
The thing is everyone wants one console to do everything. Just keep your old console >_>
Didn't the PS3 run PS1 games through software emulation? I'm still pretty annoyed at the PS4 not doing so.
It did. And the first run of PS3 played PS2 games as well. In 2006 I mostly used my PS3 to play Dragon Quest VIII and Final Fantasy XII.
Ben's absolutely right that lousy, or even just subpar, emulation is not acceptable. But it's a little ridiculous at this point that PS4 can't even emulate PS1 classics at the moment. I mean for crying out loud, how hard could it possibly be to emulate a PS1???
It's the thought that counts.
Right now my Xbox 360 is my console of choice because it can play ps1, psp, nes and snes game, I don't know if that considered as backwards compatibility or not…
this article reminds us all exactly why backwards compatibility blows. if you wanna play an older game, just get it on its respective system. besides, its cooler to show off the older game on its original console. anyone can emulate almost anything nowadays on handhelds, pc, and cellphones.
Meh, I'd like the option to play on PS4 only because I much prefer the DS4 to the 3. I know you can use the DS4 for some games on PS3 but so far all the games I've attempted to play with it, the control stops functioning once I get into the game menus.
I remember saying it was trash and a lot of people calling me hater saying they wish PS4 had the same kind of bc option, since the moment it was know you have to download the game (from a limited list) on your HD I was perplexed people (even AngryJoe) claimed they owned Sony with that lol.
Last edited by Oxvial on 11/13/2015 12:31:20 AM
Still better then the trash that is PSNow at least we dont need a subscription to play are old games. Xbox Live is not required to play games that are backwards compatibility.
And judging from the page and the comments it looks like those idiots are trying to play games that i not even a part of the 104.
Last edited by TrueAssassin86x on 11/13/2015 6:59:16 AM
The few 360 games I've played on my X1 have run with no issues. I don't use the feature that much but I've no complaints about the times I've used it.
Even tho i have an xbox one i can tell you now i will no way be using this to play x360 games, have to many great games this current generation to play an finish especially as most my games are for PS4 , will definately by trying out Rise Of The Tomb raider later tho, got make use of my xbox one for something.
"featured the synthesizer chip"…
To clarify, the original 60GB and 20GB launch models had both the Emotion Engine CPU and the Graphics Synthesizer GPU from the PS2 and are nearly totally backwards compatible with PS2 games. The following 80GB model after the launch models were discontinued only had the Graphics Synthesizer GPU and emulated the Emotion Engine CPU via software, so was considerably less compatible with PS2 games.
Personally, I would like hardware-supported backwards compatibility vs. software emulated and something like that could be supported by a hardware add-on (e.g. a small module that has the older system chipset(s) that plug into an expansion slot) and people who WANT the backwards compatibility could pay the $50-$100 or so for the add-on. I remember seeing a gamer poll several years back that showed only around 15% of people cared about backwards compatibility.
Digital titles work great for me
I have a PS3 that has backwards compatibility. I have never used it. I feel if you're buying the new system it's because everything is bigger and better. I'm not going to go from call of duty on PS4 to call of duty on PS3. There may be a few nostalgia titles but it seems gimmicky to me.
Backwards compatibility is also relatively new. It started with the PS2 and eventually the 360 and the first few PS3's. People weren't pissed when the NES games weren't compatible with the SNES.
Backwards compatibility is the same as a math result there is no in between is either right or wrong and as Ben said my PS2 is still connected and get alot of use (finished Aggressive Inline like a week ago, any extreme sports fan that was disapointed with THPS5 should get it).
Its because there having problems games with multiple discs. That why mass effect 2 doesn't work yet. Remember the original mass effect 2 shipped with two discs on the xbox 360
I've been playing Wii games on the WiiU and they run pretty good. So that accounts for something, right? It's really hard as far as PS games go to emulate vastly different architectures. I had higher hopes with MS since they seemed to be re-compiling the games to run on the One.
Also, way off topic but I'd like to know Ben's and anyone else who's a Final Fantasy VII fan about Cloud being a playable character on SMB?
I can't fathom the thinking to include Mass Effect 1 & 3, but not 2.
For all the maddening aspects of Nintendo, this is one thing they get right. Classic games I downloaded on Wii nine years ago are sitting right there on my Wii U right now. Lord knows it should be easier to transfer between systems, though (I have, HAVE to think they're going to do proper unified accounts with NX… right???)
MS is doing the backwards compatibility thing to lure gamers who haven't upgraded from 360 to get a XO soon. It won't be long before plenty of more hardcore gamers are writing hate articles about how bad the XO's game emulation actually is. It's a casual gamer's "peace of mind" assurance about letting go of their old to embrace the new. Whereas the average gamer who freaks out over frame rate and pixel levels will most certainly stick to playing their X360 games on their actual X360.
Some Xbox games on 360 worked quite well (the one's I cared about anyway, like Team Ninja's stuff) but it was a hit or miss affair for other games, and it required that you had the HDD.
Let's not forget Nintendo though, if we're including them. They've been consistently supporting prior consoles since Gamecube.
Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/12/2015 9:58:12 PM
Cloud on a Nintendo console game is probably foreshadowing of things to come. For all we know the NX will get the classic turn-based style full-on remake of FFVII and PS4 will get the action packed multiplayer enriched rendition of it.
Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/12/2015 10:37:55 PM
And just like that, every old FFVII fan gets an NX.
The thing is everyone wants one console to do everything. Just keep your old console >_>
The Wii U even upscale a then to 1080p which is a great improvement for some games, namely Skyward Sword and Metriod Prime 3.
Ben's absolutely right that lousy, or even just subpar, emulation is not acceptable. But it's a little ridiculous at this point that PS4 can't even emulate PS1 classics at the moment. I mean for crying out loud, how hard could it possibly be to emulate a PS1???
It did. And the first run of PS3 played PS2 games as well. In 2006 I mostly used my PS3 to play Dragon Quest VIII and Final Fantasy XII.
Meh, I'd like the option to play on PS4 only because I much prefer the DS4 to the 3. I know you can use the DS4 for some games on PS3 but so far all the games I've attempted to play with it, the control stops functioning once I get into the game menus.
Didn't the PS3 run PS1 games through software emulation? I'm still pretty annoyed at the PS4 not doing so.
It's the thought that counts.
Right now my Xbox 360 is my console of choice because it can play ps1, psp, nes and snes game, I don't know if that considered as backwards compatibility or not…
Oh man! Just watched the Cloud Smash trailer. Amazing. The stage with all the Summons! Woohoo!
this article reminds us all exactly why backwards compatibility blows. if you wanna play an older game, just get it on its respective system. besides, its cooler to show off the older game on its original console. anyone can emulate almost anything nowadays on handhelds, pc, and cellphones.
Still better then the trash that is PSNow at least we dont need a subscription to play are old games. Xbox Live is not required to play games that are backwards compatibility.
And judging from the page and the comments it looks like those idiots are trying to play games that i not even a part of the 104.
Last edited by TrueAssassin86x on 11/13/2015 6:59:16 AM
The few 360 games I've played on my X1 have run with no issues. I don't use the feature that much but I've no complaints about the times I've used it.
I remember saying it was trash and a lot of people calling me hater saying they wish PS4 had the same kind of bc option, since the moment it was know you have to download the game (from a limited list) on your HD I was perplexed people (even AngryJoe) claimed they owned Sony with that lol.
Last edited by Oxvial on 11/13/2015 12:31:20 AM
Even tho i have an xbox one i can tell you now i will no way be using this to play x360 games, have to many great games this current generation to play an finish especially as most my games are for PS4 , will definately by trying out Rise Of The Tomb raider later tho, got make use of my xbox one for something.
"featured the synthesizer chip"…
To clarify, the original 60GB and 20GB launch models had both the Emotion Engine CPU and the Graphics Synthesizer GPU from the PS2 and are nearly totally backwards compatible with PS2 games. The following 80GB model after the launch models were discontinued only had the Graphics Synthesizer GPU and emulated the Emotion Engine CPU via software, so was considerably less compatible with PS2 games.
Personally, I would like hardware-supported backwards compatibility vs. software emulated and something like that could be supported by a hardware add-on (e.g. a small module that has the older system chipset(s) that plug into an expansion slot) and people who WANT the backwards compatibility could pay the $50-$100 or so for the add-on. I remember seeing a gamer poll several years back that showed only around 15% of people cared about backwards compatibility.
Digital titles work great for me
It would be historically huge. See, it was the N64 that was supposed to get the next BIG FF game (FFVII), and after long continuous delays and silence it was confirmed it wouldn't happen. Where the PSX enjoyed it all to itself.
Let's see if Nintendo does get the last laugh after all =p