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Did Sony Win E3, Or Did Microsoft Lose It?

I think I know what Sony's thinking right now: "Man, that was just way too easy."

I mean, if you really stop to consider the situation, Sony didn't necessarily do anything special to steal the reigns from Microsoft at E3 this year. So it begs the question – and it's a question sports journalists ask all the time – was E3 won by the victor (clearly Sony) or lost by the unfortunate loser (Microsoft)?

Sony appears to have Microsoft at every turn but in truth, it's not really because Sony is doing anything drastically different than what they've done before. They'll still give us great exclusive software, we'll still have a wide variety of games (does the Xbox One have any games that don't involve shooting?), and we've got the same rights we had before. You know, none of this DRM or online requirement crap. Heck, if you want to be pessimistic, we didn't see that many new AAA exclusives at Sony's conference, and the fact that we'll need to pay to play online (via PlayStation Plus) is a definite downer.

Honestly, if that's all Sony went in with, one could easily see Microsoft matching or even surpassing that. But it's amazing how badly they've misjudged everything going into this generation. They're pissing people off left and right and remember, they're going into this generation as top dog in the US. Now, you're hard pressed to find anyone who would take the Xbox One over the PS4. In fact, even those who had fully intended to own both consoles are second-guessing themselves. I know I was pretty well convinced I'd have both systems but right now, you couldn't pay me to have an Xbox One. Okay, that isn't true. But I wouldn't pay for it.

The sheer amount of restrictions, regulations and mandates boggles the mind, and I'm really not surprised that Australia has already labeled it a "surveillance device." Throw in other factors, such as multiple developers saying the PS4 has far more potential (50% more, according to some estimations), a $100 cheaper price tag as compared to the new Xbox, and an upgradeable hard drive, and this becomes a rout. But again, outside of introducing a much cheaper machine than many expected, I'm not sure Sony had to do much to win this year. They just sat back and watched with consternation as Microsoft served this generation up on a silver platter.

Of course, I'm not about to make lengthy predictions. But heading into this holiday season, Microsoft better have some sort of highly effective damage control plan. Because if they don't, Sony will just take the ball Microsoft dropped and run with it.

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Comic Shaman
Comic Shaman
11 years ago

I don't think we've ever seen such a catastrophic performance with a console launch as Microsoft achieved with the X1. They'll be dealing with the shockwaves from this incredible belly-flop for a long time.

Sony did what they needed to do, which was position themselves squarely on the other side of the debate regarding MS's anti-consumer practices, and threw in a $100 price differential for good measure.

Microsoft will be be doing damage control after this for months. A terrible start for this generation of XBox.

MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
11 years ago

I can't agree with you more with anything related to Microsoft. They are probably in the beginning stages of redesigning their XB1,so maybe we will see it in a few years or so. Now Sony in the other hand did exactly what you said they positioned themselves right were the consumer wanted them. Which is good but I have a feeling that they had other plans in mind but like I said its just my opinion.

godsman
godsman
11 years ago

Remember that the console does not release in a couple months. If they start cutting price to 399, Sony cant go 349. One thing that M$ will always be the upperhand is their wallet size. They released the most defective console in all electronics history and patched it up with money. 360 "lead" in sales until recently.

The Xbone is made of cheaper materials, theres no way that extra camera cost more than the 100 difference. They have room to cut. If they start giving out money, the senseless gamers will forgive them.

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
11 years ago

Eh, means the same either way to me. Haha

I'm not sure what MS was thinking when they made this console. It's like they thought this was a new windows os and people would just shut up and take whatever it is and deal with it. Does anyone even own a Windows Phone?

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

To quote the man on stage addressing the woman on stage he fought in Killer Instinct "Relax, just let it happen…"

kokoro
kokoro
11 years ago

lmao@world's comment

Kryten1029a
Kryten1029a
11 years ago

I have a Lumia 820 and it works rather well; I'm pretty pleased by it. The basic idea of using a single interface across all devices is not unsound, but they've just really badly executed with regards to Xbone.

LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
11 years ago

Relax, don't do it. When you want to go do it.

Akuma_
Akuma_
11 years ago

World wins the internets.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

And the interwebs! 🙂

SirLoin of Beef
SirLoin of Beef
11 years ago

I'm rather fond of my Windows phone.

darthadv
darthadv
11 years ago

I get the argument that publishers are losing money with used game sales, some of which usually gets reinvested into new IPs or the next iterations of popular ones, but MS's approach came across as very heavy-handed. I'm not sure if I read it here or somewhere else, but didn't Sony apparently have used game DRM software ready to go and decided to pull it after consumer feedback? The MS approach was/is very overreaching, so they did play a part in shooting themselves in the foot, but credit Sony with knowing to pick their battles, such as the used game issue. The price just put them over the top.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

The Sony conference was pretty mediocre so I'd say MS lost it for themselves, MS actually had the better presentation with all the exclusives they bought but DRM and the price point for Xbox One makes that not matter.

Sony needed to bring less multiplat games like Last Guardian, an update on Agent, a tease for whatever the other half of Naughty Dog has been up to, and just a couple minutes on the games coming to PS3 for JRPG lovers.

Akuma_
Akuma_
11 years ago

Dude, they had KH3. I don't even care if its multiplat, they had it 😀

Stupid MGSV, go enjoy your MS $$$$ Kojima-san!

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Well I suppose I should mention it's my opinion and I don't like Disney, even if you mix it with FF.

bldudas1
bldudas1
11 years ago

But JRPGs usually get announced at the Tokyo Games Show, not E3.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

That's the beauty of it, these have already been announced.

Kryten1029a
Kryten1029a
11 years ago

Microsoft has been shooting themselves in the foot over and over and over again this year. The whole Adam Orth matter exploded and they said nothing. Then they spend their reveal focusing on live television, sports and Call of Duty (going for the Dudebro demographic) and sending their executives out to give the press contradictory information. Before E3, they seemingly were playing it by ear and constantly hitting sour notes.
Even at that, if they'd listened to the outcry and made some positive changes then they could have won back at least some of the goodwill they lost, but they didn't. It was just a matter of "We mentioned the hardware before and here are some games." I know that they're panicked but I don't think they even grasp how shaky things are for them.

Snaaaake
Snaaaake
11 years ago

I doubt Microsoft even care, know why?
CoD baby, that thing will sell the Xbox One.

Troy Powers
Troy Powers
11 years ago

I don't think it will be difficult for people to figure out that they can play CoD for $100 cheaper on the PS4.

kokoro
kokoro
11 years ago

Is anyone else confused as to why the XOne is only $50 more expensive than the PS4 here in Australia? (PS4 retailing at $550, XOne at $600)

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Because nothing makes sense in Australia.

SmokeyPSD
SmokeyPSD
11 years ago

Australia tax. We're getting taken advantage of by both systems. For some reason the mark up just isn't AS high for the xbox at this moment though.

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/06/11/double-surprise-sony-hikes-aussie-ps4-prices/

Gordo
Gordo
11 years ago

It's called a "rounding error".

The average Australian has a sheep farm in the back paddock so they can afford to pay a little bit extra for a quality product!

I too can't wait to pay my share. $700 a week rent in Sydney so a PS4 is cheap!

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

You guys keep MS fans in the back of your farms?

Akuma_
Akuma_
11 years ago

Jesus Gordo, what part of Sydney are you living in?

It's only $400/week on average in my area…..

But yeah, there really isn't much explanation for Sony to hike the price for the PS4, MAYBE if their consoles are being shipped in from a different local to the Xbone, but I doubt it.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
11 years ago

As the photo in your article states…

This game is easy.

Sony.

bluedarrk
bluedarrk
11 years ago

I think MS was trying to bring it with their exclusives and try and make everyone forget about the DRM thing and always online. I think Sony played it safe and didn't want to show all of their cards at E3. We have tons a new exclusives coming like The Last Guardian and Uncharted 4. Sony Santa Monica has to be working on a new God of War or new IP. I'm also convinced that that Sony Bend Studios is working on Syphon Filter. Sony just sat back and watched MS shoot themselves in the foot. Also, what do you think the Xbox One's sales will be outside the U.S.?

JackDillinger89
JackDillinger89
11 years ago

"Did Sony win E3?"
YES
"Or did microsoft lose it?"
YES
"Does anyone even want an xbox one now?"
NO!

Unfortunatly ben microsoft dropped the ball already and sony already brought it home.

Anonymous
Anonymous
11 years ago

Hearts and minds- Sony
Games- Microsoft

Hearts and minds are what it's about, so Sony definitely won this titanic confrontation. But MS showed a great lineup while Sony showed 95% of multiplats and timed exclusives. With all those multiplats, I wonder which the publishers Microsoft supposedly 'paid off'. Seriously.


Last edited by n/a on 6/12/2013 12:10:11 AM

Anonymous
Anonymous
11 years ago

Best game of the show so far: Xenoblade 2. Looks AMAZING!!!

Banky A
Banky A
11 years ago

me thinks kojima.

youre right it does look good. art reminds me of ffx + xii. i think i might get a wii u early next year for the party/motion games and rpgs. so far xenoblade series is boosting the list but still need moarrr

Akuma_
Akuma_
11 years ago

I don't agree, and I can't agree. Seriously I don't see ANYTHING that excites me about the Xbone games lineup they showed off.

Can someone please exaplin to me what exclusives they showed?

And Halo doesn't count, seriously it doesn't. They just played one trailer, the game hasn't even been named, and hasn't been confirmed that it's even in development. They just said "hey guys, don't forget about Halo, it will come out on the Xbone one day, so just remember that when you buy your PS4"

Sony should have just finished their conference with the Uncharted 4 logo, and then gave NO information at all about it for another year.

Anonymous
Anonymous
11 years ago

Ryse, Quantum Break, Forza 5, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct(Free to PAY? Boooooo!) , Titanfall( next gen console exclusive, I think), Crimson Dragon, D4, Dead Rising 3 off the top of my head. The Halo teaser did say it was coming in 2014. Nothing wrong with a teaser, is there? You're probably going dislike all of those so you wouldn't be interested, but I am.

SmokeyPSD
SmokeyPSD
11 years ago

A great line up of games, which I will be able to play anyway without a xbox one, free from restriction. Paying Kojima off for him to show his face does not count as the game having any sort of intrinsic tie to a system, never has, never will.

I will never be interested in what Xbox offers that is actually "exclusive", which is just game after game for the masculine, immature, male fantasy demographic of endlessly infantile shooters and unyielding militarism.

Dudebro to me should be a minority in demographic.

Simcoe
Simcoe
11 years ago

Sony hasn't revealed all their exclusives. Sony even said during the E3 presentation that they'll have 20 exclusive games (including 12 or 13 new IP's) releasing in the first year of the PS4. MS may have revealed their entire deck at E3, but remember that there still is Gamescom in August and the Tokyo Game Show in September.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
11 years ago

The presentation certainly didn't show all the PS4 exclusives on tap. Furthermore, the current list of exclusives for the PS4 looks like this, especially since you're counting games on the Xbox One that will also be on PC-

Killzone: Shadow Fall
inFamous: Second Son
DriveClub
Knack
The Order: 1886
The Witness
Daylight
Warframe
War Thunder
PlanetSide 2
DC Universe Online

This is, of course, without the impending automatics, like Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo and whatever that Dark Sorcerer game from Quantic Dream is, along with whatever Media Molecule is working on. That's also not mentioning all the indie games shown off at Sony's press conference that will debut exclusively on the PSN.

You can keep thinking Xbox is "all about the games," my biased friend. You can keep ignoring the fact that Xbox has NEVER – and will NEVER – have the same first-party quality and innovation Sony has always had. You really can. Nobody with a brain is going to agree.

While you're at it, just keep ignoring what everyone has been hating Microsoft for, which has nothing to do with games. I notice you keep sidestepping that in promoting your precious Microsoft. To imply that people who like "games" would go with the Xbox One is so unbelievably absurd and ignorant, it's difficult for me to imagine you as anything but a Microsoft plant to "spread the good word."

Btw, I've yet to see you post in any topic that didn't involve Microsoft. You had nothing to say during Sony's press conference, of course. And of course, it's because you've never had any intention of doing anything but buying Microsoft's next system.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/12/2013 11:28:42 AM

Evil Incarnate
Evil Incarnate
11 years ago

And this-
http://www.psu.com/a019829/PS4-Titanfall-definitely-not-out-of-the-question-says-dev

Doesn't sound like a permanent exclusive to me.

Anonymous
Anonymous
11 years ago

I did comment that the video in game sharing Sony released was hilarious. But the overlords here in Redmond caught wind of it. My rations have been reduced because of it.

As for buying an Xbox One, I don't need to since I already have one. It's watching me……..

Akuma_
Akuma_
11 years ago

Thanks for that list Ben, I wasn't bothered to go and research it on the net.

That really is a freakin' sexy line up of exclusives already. The Order looked intriguing, 100% reminds me of the anime Chrono Crusade, which was pretty awesome.

Ben delivered a total smackdown too btw. haha.

CrusaderForever
CrusaderForever
11 years ago

Sony destroyed Microsoft because they understand what makes their gaming division successful. Today on Gamestop, Microsoft stated "Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360," Mattrick said. "If you have zero access to the Internet, that is an offline device."!!!!! Can you believe he actually said that?! It's amazing! In the same article Mattrick said that the XBONE will be the product gamers will love and embrace after they know it's advantages once they USE it!!!! Microsoft you are suppose to tell us those advantages to help us make a buying decision. This is a company that is totally out of touch with the gamer and feels privileged. They also act like they came in first in the current gen when they are actually last. What a bizarre string of events!

Banky A
Banky A
11 years ago

not really that clean cut. none of the conferences were astounding – with any major new exclusives being missing and all. still so many people will get xbox one because they like the features and what it provides them. ive got a level-headed mate getting one because he wants his gamerscore to carry over. microsofts gaming division know what theyre doing and theyre very sneaky like that. and hey some people even love the games microsoft came out with who wouldve thought? it beats sonys amount but i have negative interest in all of them – even the beautiful ryse.

theres still big debates about the future of gaming regarding DRM and its quite interesting hearing opinions from all sides with still no clear dominance (do we want consumers to win > devs hurt || or do we still believe the important rule that devs need consumers != consumers need devs etc). at the end of the day ps4 still wins by righthook knockout but from a misstep by xbox one.

just happy the ps4 is getting pre-order numbers it will undoubtedly deserve and am immediately getting one once NZ comes out with any bundles

Temjin001
Temjin001
11 years ago

I think Sony did do something special by not taking the digital age bait. I'm sure it was very tempting to take advantage of online connectivity and where we're headed with all of this 'cloud' crap. It's great that they were able to say 'no' where they could have very well have just gone along with it right along side MS. Console gamers would just have to had lived with it.

here's another take on a somewhat similar perspective
http://kotaku.com/so-far-next-gen-is-being-won-by-crap-you-can-already-d-512602529


Last edited by Temjin001 on 6/12/2013 1:00:12 AM

Akuma_
Akuma_
11 years ago

http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoft

Just read that one article, and your minds will be made up. I know mine is, I will not consider a Xbone purchase, no matter what. Just simply because of the sheer arrogance from MS. I will not give my business to a company that speaks about its customers with such disrespect!

EDIT: Hey where the hell is _______ during all this? he was full on Xbone fanboy.


Last edited by Akuma_ on 6/12/2013 1:28:32 AM

PC_Max
PC_Max
11 years ago

I think Sony came ahead even with the glitches with the Ubisoft games and Destiny. MS had some problems as well. I put it down to what was shown was just buggy demos. I honestly think with whats been happening since Feb, all the studios and console bosses have been rushing to get as much as they can for E3… without extensive testing.

Some fanboys on both side blame the hardware failing on their "opponents side". Whatever. From what I heard the new Assassin Creed is still development and it has also been said.. buggy.

Regardless, I think MS saved themselves… a little, but their presentation was business like and to my thinking… talked AT the audience as opposed to what Sony did which was to talk TO the audience and gamers. MS did not pickup in energy until Halo showed up. Must be an exclusive. :/

I give Sony a bow for being more personage and talking to the gamers directly.

NOW, once E3 is done… the real suff starts to happen. I am sure we will be seeing more trailers for games, hear about additional exclusives… and probably more surprise games. And Xmas bundles I am sure with games.

Have to say I am interested in "The Order" and to see where it goes. Looks like a bit of Steam Punk and I have been waiting for a game like that. Hopefully that will be a big game for next year.

Keep Playing!

Akuma_
Akuma_
11 years ago

Hahahaha. I was rofling @ the Assassins Creed game freezes. All I could think was "Looks like Ubi never quite fixed that engine of theirs, even for next-gen".

They remind me of Activision.

Beamboom
Beamboom
11 years ago

It's both. Sony *could* have done so insanely much worse.
With the economic situation they are in they *could* have fallen for the temptation to milk the used games market more, they could have inserted restrictions and nickel'n'dimed us from here to eternity in all sorts of sneaky ways.

I was worried they would. When we heard about the Xbone I did not dare to *fully* celebrate, cause in fact we had not heard if not Sony had something similar waiting to be unveiled.

So we got the mandatory Plus membership now. That sucks. But it could have been much, much worse. It could have been like the Xbone.
And on TOP of all that we also got the best hardware, a machine that will give the exclusives that extra layer of shine, and a workhorse that will unleash many a great game concept out there that's just waiting to be realized.

It will never – NEVER – be a question if we get the lesser version of any game again. Never, ever. We can put all that behind us. No more sore feelings and whining over "lazy devs" and embarrassing explanations from Sony about "hidden powers", no more of that sh*t.

The road ahead is blindingly clear and sunny. Man, this is a great day.

BattleFox21
BattleFox21
11 years ago

THis was my exact thinking. Couldn't have said it better myself, in fact, I have been searching for the way to explain it and here it is thx you took the words from my mouth.

Corvo
Corvo
11 years ago

They told a fan that if they don't like the xbox one to buy a 360. I found that HILARIOUS. their in denial they did so bad. they werent ready at all for this generation and now, their panicking.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
11 years ago

Who told who that?

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