Ben-DutkaAll we should ask of our critics is that they be consistent.
That being said, I have to wonder: Why did I see very few complaints concerning the length of the cut-scenes in Battlefield: Hardline ? Some of them are pretty long and they're definitely frequent.
The reason I ask is because The Order: 1886 got ceaseless flak for this very reason. Some idiots issued that "watching more than playing" ridiculousness, which always gets my goat. I'm just wondering where they all are for the latest Battlefield . I've played both and I'm willing to bet that there are more non-interactive sequences in Hardline than there are in The Order: 1886 . I'm not sure any one sequence in Visceral's game is longer than one of the longest segments in Ready at Dawn's game, but they're certainly comparable.
And yeah, The Order looked better and featured acting that was just as good, if not better. So, what's the deal? Where are all the mocking morons now? Is it because there was just more dialogue in one, and people simply need to be titillated every five seconds or they start to feel bored? Maybe that's it. Or maybe it's just because The Order was too linear…oh, wait, pretty sure Hardline was pretty damn linear, too.
I'd just love an explanation for this obvious double standard. But I imagine I won't get one.
Related Game(s): Battlefield: Hardline , The Order: 1886
i know right?! This sort of thing really grinds my gears! (rage)
I would really hate to think that all the ridiculous reviews for The Order: 1886 were paid by some rich bastard from competitors…
…but I wouldn't really be surprised if that was the case.
I doubt that, if anything MS would use that money to make Bloodborne get bad reviews, the order was only a decent game that needed to be charged at 39.99 to get less hate.
Was it a good long cutscene or a boring type cutscene?
I wouldn't go for the conspiracy theories, more that it was a bunch of sheepish gaming writers following trends rather than sticking to their principles (if, indeed, they had principles to begin with). It was 'cool' to hate on the order, so it got hated on. BF:Hardline isn't nearly as cool to hate on, so it's getting let off the hook.
Bloodborne, on the other hand, is looking cool to support, and getting a lot of positive press.
So I wouldn't put it down to conspiracy theories or anti-Sony bias, just silly groupthink.
Last edited by Axe99 on 3/26/2015 3:26:17 AM
Microsoft paid Axe99 to tell others to not go for conspiracy theories, I bet.
Axe99… 99 upside down is 66, posted march 26, axe is 3 letters, add to the 6 in 26 its 29, another 9, 666, i took a large poop this morning, Illuminutsack confirmed
lol – hey, I needed to pay for my new shirt somehow or other, and Microsoft were there with the money ;). Don't get me wrong, I do think the 'weight' MS built up (and likely still maintains to a degree through good marketing) with the US-centric gaming press does colour their perceptions which can feed into the 'flavour' of coverage, but it's unconscious emotional bias, rather than a conspiracy, per se. Marketers do it all the time.
The Order sucked dude get over it!
The reviews for The Order, WERE ALL CONSISTENT! IT SUCKED! everyone said the exact same thing.
The thought of playing that game is physically nauseating.
Where ara all the click bait bad reviews for Bloodborne?
Uh…The Order's reviews were anything but consistent.
The majority say how mediocre it is!
Which it f'ng is! On Metacritic 39 positive vs 49 mediocre say it all.
I can understand if it were polarizing, half liked it, half didn't but it is clear cut.
No dude, the scores are all over the place.
So you never played it. Got it. It is a good game, clearly you believe a lot of these "reviews" that complain and yet talk nothing about the gameplay or story.
I played the game (The Order, not Hardline), and I can say from experience how awful it is.
If the game had long cut scenes, maybe I wouldn't have minded.
Why did it make me walk around that big a** table to just trigger the next one? Why after that one, did it allow the player to walk around a corner, to an elevator to trigger the next one? It's a non game, if you like this type of handholdong, good for you.
Last edited by Deadman on 3/25/2015 10:56:15 PM
Oh no I can't sit for "long" cutscenes boo hoo. Really? Long cutscenes? Those were short as hell, a non game by your definition would be heavy rain and the walking dead. Guess all you play are cod and whatever pew pew games there are.
For your misinformation, taking stuff from metacritic is ridiculous. You know metacritic has been removing troll reviews. From actual reviewers, not user reviews. Always goes the same for any first party game, sony gets the worst of it all the time. This is nothing new.
No it didn't. The Order was great.
Twitch gamer alert.
Ignore the stupidity everyone.
You wouldn't sound half as ridiculous Deadman, if what you were saying were mere opinions. But, your screaming at the top of your lungs things that are simply not true.
Oh no, I didn't like The Order I must be a twitch gamer who only plays Call of Duty. Lol
If Sony exclusives are the victim of these bad reviews then how is Bloodborne nailing it across the board?
If The Order was a victim to bad reviews for the sake of site hits, why is that not being mirrored for Bloodborne?
Come on it's not 2009 anymore
Having not played the game, I'm inclined to believe Deadmans core points here.
The arguments for bad reviews being "click bait" or "because they are Sony exclusives" must die. That's just annoying.
The scores for The Order were really not that all over the place for being a release of that metascore. It's purely mathematical logic that a mediocre game receives a wider range of ratings than a pure rotten or top stellar release. And for a mediocre release The Order had in fact a quite consistent scoreboard. The vast majority of the scores are found within a quite focused span.
Last edited by Beamboom on 3/26/2015 5:54:35 AM
You do know Ben that when someone disagrees with your opinion on a games quality, it doesn't justify you trying to rally your brown nose brigade to arms with insulting comments like …
" Twitch gamer alert.
Ignore the stupidity everyone."
( Yes I get the hypocrisy of my comment referring to your followers as the Brown Nose Brigade, so feel free to scrutinize my response in equal proportions to my scrutiny of your comment. But the point is it's not how to discuss opposing views bringing in insults when you've run out of reasonable backed up facts for your side of the argument. You need to work on your communication skills. You're supposed to be Editor in Chief, quit acting like a spoiled fanboy ).
I'm thrilled you and others on the site love The Order enough to defend it. I hope you guys get a sequel and like the Assassins Creed franchise at the beginning, get an excellent first sequel to an okay but not great first game.
Hardline doesn't fall under the same hammer as The Order because unlike the latter, it's real focus for most gamers will be the competitive MP that The Order doesn't offer. If it (Hardline) was a primarily SP game, I'm sure if would fall under the same criticism.
What frosty says is basically what I hope for from Watchdogs and Remember Me, as well.
The Order was great for me, it was AAA quality. It made an impression on me I haven't had in gaming before in 25 years. It had few reasonable technical gripes and executed its gameplay well. Many reviews went subjective and were affected be pre-hype hate filled hatchet jobs, that's the only way you get a 5. People keep using the word Mediocre. That's wrong, FUSE was Mediocre. Dark Void was Mediocre. The Order was not a mediocre production by any measure except that some people didn't like gameplay from 3-4 years ago inside it and they let that guide them. Honestly, cut scenes, linearity and quicktime events don't a mediocre game make. Low quality production does. There was none of that here.
If you haven't played it with a fair mind start to finish and past the credits then you have nothing to say about the matter.
Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/26/2015 9:51:45 AM
Replace "mediocre" with "mid-rage" then if you like World. That's what I mean. Games that land on a mid-range score (and mid-range/mediocre by todays practise is a meta of 60-70) do by pure logic tend to have a much wider spread than the top and bottom releases, and from that perspective The Order really is not to be defined as "all over the place".
That's really all I am saying.
Last edited by Beamboom on 3/26/2015 10:19:59 AM
So we now need to meet criteria to be able to comment on games? Lol
Mhhhh loved me some Order 1886.
Though I do believe I'm a biased PS fan these days!
Love' n it too!
Deadman: Yeah, the criteria is: Play it before your open your mouth.
frostface: Blah blah blah, "oh, someone disagrees with Ben so that's why he insulted him." Getting boring. Someone screaming that The Order blows without every playing it warranted a response; again, has nothing to do with disagreement and never does.
And by the way, you defending someone who's judging a game based on zero experience with it is just dumb. If it was me doing it, you'd jump down my throat. All this proves is your bias against me, despite all your screaming about how it doesn't exist. 'rolling eyes'
Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 3/26/2015 11:11:25 AM
For the record I have played the game in question. I even sited examples of the problems I personally had with the games cut scene frequency.
If the criteria is play the game before opening your mouth, then how is it ok for World to say anything negative against Bloodborne having never played. And admittedly not even going to try it? Pots, kettles, and all that jazz.
Because World doesn't act like a dick when he says it.
If you can't determine the difference, you've got bigger problems.
All I said about Bloodborne was I wish I could join in the fun with everyone else but those games aren't the kind I can play because of how they work. So yeah I can comment on how they work, because there are other examples. It's a Souls game, I know what to expect and I never once said it was bad or mediocre or whatever.
My bad World I took a comment of yours later on here the wrong way maybe. Bloodborne is really cool though. Recommend you at least try it, if there are still places to rent games from.
@Ben, The Order has been out for a month and your still harping on the fact that the game was negatively criticized. And how it's always x, y, and z's fault that the game faired so poorly.
Ben,as Deadman has stated, he has played the game. You're obviously of the mind that anyone who disagrees with you hasn't, so taking you serious is getting harder to do.
By all means dismiss my comments, I'm not the one making fabricated assumptions out of thin air to back up fanboy reactions.
I can pretty much guarantee had The Order been Multi-platform, you would have dropped this a long time ago. We get it, you love your Playstation exclusive, well done. I'm genuinely happy for you. Just take the tin foil hat off though that the gaming industry is biased against Sony because as the reviews for Bloodborne show, reviewers are stoked to be playing the game on their PS4's.There is no conspiracy. And you don't need to be constantly on the offensive when other people disagree with you.
I don't really have an opinion on The Order, because I've never played it. I will, though, just to see what the hubbub is all about.
I will say, though, that I've determined I need to figure it out for myself, though. Reviews out there are way too polarized. And I've read both positive, neutral, and negative reviews from different sources… some well written, but most really terrible, which is depressing. And the community at large has been even less reliable.
Way too many reviewers, both positive and negative about the game, didn't seem to justify their scores with what they wrote. It makes me think that this game is too different in general for most people to know how to review it. Combine that with completely polarizing opinions from the community, and it really seems like a take-it-or-leave-it kind of title. So, I'll just look into it myself and draw my own conclusions.
I'm good with that.
I have not played The Order or Hardline. And I don't expect to soon. But from the perspective of outside looking in, The Orders reviews were all over the place. If you are stuck looking at the scores on Metacritic – Despite they are in fact all over, top to bottom – and not reading the reviews then I'd say you can't quite possibly understand the fact that not only are they contradicting – from top to bottom – they are also not consistent. You cant possibly take the reviews serious when 5 reviewers are saying an aspect is executed great and 5 others are saying it's executed poorly.
As far as Hardline goes I'd suspect that most of the cut scenes are highly entertaining, explosive and energetic. Where I could see The orders being a little milder for the most part. This probably has a lot to do with it, which Ben pointed out in his last couple paragraphs.
Anyways I'm only saying this because some people appear to show up to simply jump on the hate wagon, and for arguments sake.
Its bad when the game it's so short only offers a sp campaign and a big part of it are cinemas.
You haven't played it either. So who are you to judge.
Since when is a short game indicative of the game's quality.
I You Tube it just like Ashura Wrath a game I'm not gonna spend a dollar on it but hey as interactive movies they where entertaining to watch.
Epic fail Oxvial.
Epic fail? come on Tem, it's my opinion wheres the epic fail thing on it?
Because it's a video game.
People who judge a game by watching someone else play, …and then complain about how short it is…
You're not allowed an opinion if you didn't play it. And saying it's "bad" because of your own erroneous viewpoint is wrong. Not subjective, just stupid and wrong.
Funny but a post above I said it's imo a decent game xD, you people have some kind of fixation with The Order, hope it not gonna be a forever thing.
Oxvial, their issue isn't with whether or not you think it's a good game. Their issue with you is about your "experience" with the game being essentially zero, yet behaving like you know all about it.
There's nothing in the Order gameplay that it's ovni to me, also love how suddenly fans of this game are bringing that when I remember in this place was cool to hate CoD calling it overrated when those people didn't buy those games.
I think Oxvial was smart not playing it. I'm pretty sure if this game was multiplat it wouldn't be having so many guardians
That's a great question! Clearly a reason why very select sites aren't opinionated to the point where hypocrisy runs rampant.
I'd expect it from the visitors. Like Deadman. Obviously hasn't a clue about what he's jabbering about.
Cuz FPS