The new portable war is just getting started, but EA believes Sony is in a slightly better position.

In speaking to CVG , EA Games boss Frank Gibeau said that Sony's combination of innovative technology and a strong software lineup gives it the edge over Nintendo's 3DS. The latter unit has already dropped in price. And Gibeau doesn't believe that just because the Vita isn't a cell phone, it'll somehow be less attractive to gamers. Besides, the unit does have plenty of social functions:

"I think [Sony has] got a shot because they have some really unique innovation in the control scheme, the technology and the screen. It's got a lot of social features now so that you can actually communicate with your friends and be social.

You can't ring them up by putting the device up to your ear but in general I think they've got most of the capabilities that you'd find in a smart phone, with some unique capabilities that make them stand out."

Gibeau went on to say that there was "some confusion" over the 3DS and overall, the Vita simply has a better launch slate. There are several hot titles scheduled to be available at the handheld's launch, and that's crucial to success. Said Gibeau:

"I think Vita has a better chance because it has a stronger title slate at launch. PSP's had a great run in Europe as a device, it seems to have reached a much larger audience here than it did in North America. So I think they've got a good shot. We're going to publish a few games on it and see how it develops."

Many have called for Sony to drop the price of the Vita, especially in light of Nintendo's move. But Sony has insisted that Vita's price tag is reasonable and in fact, it's more than agreeable based on the technology. But they also know that it needs games to sell, and that's what they're focusing on.

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maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

I honestly believe the price point should be $50 cheaper. A lower price would leave little to chance.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Max, come on, don't buy into that crap. The price point is already well below cost. Just because that piece of crap the 3DS is dropping it's price doesn't mean that the Vita has to. Holy crap people pay more than they will for Vita for an iTurd, iPown or iFawn, and with the exception of being a cell phone, the Vita has all that functionality wrapped up in one.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
9 years ago

Not necessarily "buying into anything" Highlander.

Even YOU can't deny that a lower price point is good for sales. Look what the recent price drop for did the PS3.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

maxypoo,

Sure, if they sold it at $5 it would sell out consistently but Sony has to find a price point they're willing to live with in regards to money lost per system.

At $250 the Vita is a steal, it honestly is and you'll see plenty of people agreeing with me when this thing finally gets released. Come on, it's basically a PS3 that fits in your pocket. How can you not justify the price, I'd gladly pay $400 for it.

godsman
godsman
9 years ago

What's more important is the battery life of the new psp. the battery capacity determines what we can and will do with it. never played a movie or mp3 on the psp because the battery sucks. psp's failure was due to the poor battery life. you can stuff all the functions in but you wont be able to use it unless you attach a car battery to it.

ipod's success was because it was first to store 1000 songs and first to achieve 24+ hours of play. iknow gaming is different from music playing, but when they slimmed their PSP, it was their chance to make everything right. why slim the battery too?! i gurantee they will sell more with larger battery rather than better graphics.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

godsman,

I own a 1000 and a 3000 and both of them play multiple movies just fine. 8hrs of battery life is good for a handheld system with a gorgeous screen like the PSP. I'm not sure what product you had but it sounds like you were sold a defective model.

Warrior Poet
Warrior Poet
9 years ago

The PSP isn't a failure. Its sales are pretty great!

It sounds like you need a new battery. My stock battery lasts 10 hours with music, 6 with a memory stick game and 4 with a UMD game. Couldn't tell you much about video, though. And then you could get an aftermarket super battery, too…

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Video works fine. battery life is more limited when playing a UMD, but if you have the video in MP4 format on a memory stick, it's fine, and battery is no more of an issue than it is with games. You just need the video in the correct MP4 format, and preferably scaled for the PSP screen.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Just on that not a smartphone thing….if Vita supports Skype, doesn't that kind of make it a phone anyway?

Either way, the Vita looks to me like it will do a better job at all the media related tasks (especially gaming) than any smartphone can hope to. Thanks to the decent sized, and high quality screen and game controls, the Vita looks like it will do a better job with many forms of media than the more bulky tablet devices. I don't honestly believe that we need a single device to do everything. I think the key is that we need devices that do a really good job at what they are supposed to. for example, I don't want a smartphone that sucks at being a phone. The primary purpose of the device is being a phone. It doesn't help me one bit if it browses as well as my desktop PC but has crap phone functionality.

So personally I see Vita sitting along side my smartphone very nicely indeed. I may not carry Vita everywhere I go, like I do my phone. but, if I'm headed somewhere and think I might have time for a game or two on the way, or while I'm there, I'll take the Vita (currently PSP) along as well.

As for the 3DS and it's price move, that was not in any way related to the Vita, and the analysts and industry commentators that say otherwise are schilling for Microsoft/Nintendo – IMHO. Vita's price is a very good one, it's specification is great, by far it has the edge over any other currently announced smartphone or tablet device. However, because it's primarily a gaming device, even when other devices have comparable hardware specifications, the Vita will still stand out because it is optimized for games.

It's back to that whole general purpose vs dedicated device argument. Those jack of all trades devices make compromises that Vita doesn't have to. They have large resident OSs, they use touch based controls only, they are not optimized for gaming, but instead are more generally configured to allow a varied workload. Vita is streamlined for games, it has the controls and the design targeted at being a gaming device on the move. Vita's secondary functions use the powerful hardware to their advantage, but they are not what the device is optimized for.

The Vita can therefore excel at gaming, while doing a good job in a number of other ways. It is a master of it's trade – gaming, rather than being a jack of all trades and a master of none. Certainly that means that there are things it's not going to be – such as a smartphone, or mobile computer like a tablet. But, is that really an issue?


Last edited by TheHighlander on 8/25/2011 11:20:40 AM

faraga
faraga
9 years ago

How could any phone have "crap phone functionality"? AFAIK all phones that can be used for calling and sending texts can be considered as having okay phone functionality. Can you explain that bit a little clearer?

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

A phone can have crap functionality if the device doesn't have good reception, does a poor job with hands free speakerphone capability, or is simply a bad shape to use as a phone. There are innumerable ways in which a cellphone can indeed be a crap phone.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
9 years ago

I understand what he is saying. Like how the Iphone4 loses signal depending on your grip. Or how my Omnia2 under windows 6.5 WAS REALLY BAD at everything but googlemaps lol the phone and text apps kept lagging and I had to often wait 30 secs to open my text message inbox…

This did not happen when I had my small nokia phone that did only what it had to. Phone and text plus messages. Real fast, great signal, killer 2 weeks battery life and I can't count how many times I dropped it on the floor lol.

So I get his point about specialization. And I agree that no phone will get close to the Vita in terms of quality of gameplay and potential for awesome titles.


Last edited by Neo_Aeon666 on 8/25/2011 9:37:11 PM

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Don't forget Highlander, the Vita has more RAM than a PS3 AND has free cross game chat with online play. AND Trophies!!

There is no doubt in my mind that Vita will be strong. If Japan gets Monster Hunter Vita and the US, Europe and Australia get CoD and Uncharted on Vita, the house of Mario is going to have a strong fight on their hands for this generation's portables.

**** Sidenote:

Hignlander, do you think there's a chance that Vita support might come to the smaller PSN arcade titles (not Minis, know they'll work on Vita already) like Sonic the Hedgehog, Limbo, Braid, Castle Crashers, Peggle and so on?

I've got many of those games already, but with a simple update (since porting PS3 games to Vita is apparently quite a simple process) do you think it would be possible? Do you think this is something Sony would want to take advantage of for its consumers, save them buying the same title twice?

Fane1024
Fane1024
9 years ago

Dance,
I certainly hope so. If it does play PSN games like the PSP plays PS1 classics, I go from waiting 'til next holiday season to buying it as soon as I can find one.

faraga
faraga
9 years ago

Did everyone really forget that everyone was surprised of the low price when it was announced at E3? And now, about three months later, everyone is complaining about the fact that the price isn't low enough. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Indeed, it's almost as if someone has something to gain by creating an air of negativity around the Vita to cause doubt in the minds of potential buyers. But…who would do a thing like that? Whoever would benefit from that? Seriously, I mean, who?

😉

Oh, BTW, as predicted about a month ago, MS is currently basking in the glow of it's own boasts about Windows phone/Xbox connectivity…

faraga
faraga
9 years ago

Like there are people using a Windows phone anyways. Never saw any myself. Could be because I don't live in the US.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Me neither, Faraga. I don't even know what brand phones that run windows.

gumbi
gumbi
9 years ago

Spot on faraga! The whole crowd cheered for the price when they announced it at E3. What happened to that enthusiasm?

I still think $250 is an excellent price for what you're getting.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Man, the comparisons between 3Ds's failings and Vita's perceived success just needs to stop. The 3Ds offended the very market in which it appeals. Somehow, some way, Nintendo believed their core would lay down a top dollar that lead with a visual forward agenda. Visuals haven't been Nintendo's angle since N64 and Nintendo has conditioned a breed of child and teen that is motivated by how to play rather than how the game is presented.
Vita entirely targets the premium gamers. They cast aside worries of cell phones and such because they're offering experiences well beyond that norm. $249 is a very respectable price point that will no doubt please any hardcore player's values and may very well attract those who sense a modicum of heightened interest over the cellphone and Nintendo norm of quality.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 8/25/2011 11:44:55 AM

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

And something else. I'm upset at Nintendo for their 3Ds move. They messed up the equilibrium of balance between the handheld markets. The failing of 3Ds has just caste a very negative light on mobile consoles and stymies more belief in phone based dominance. Now, instead of a healthy Nintendo climate with happy Nintendo fans who would have been playing with three screens and various cameras, they have an ugly climate that prepositioned the stage for defending the validity of Vita's entrance ever before it's release. It seems 1 out of 2 headlines are in defense as to why Vita is viable. It's dang maddening.


Last edited by Temjin001 on 8/25/2011 12:02:09 PM

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

I'm sure the Vita will do just fine among the hardcore who are into mobile gaming.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

"Viva the Vita"!

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
9 years ago

From what I have seen the PS Vita seems A fair price. Especcially considering that pile of garbage of a phone Experia goes for double the price I think I know what I would go for out of the 2.

Knowing me though I doubt I'll get one until Square releases something major on it. Uncharted is tempting though. As for it being in competition with the 3DS, nonsense! The 3DS is one of the most poorly constructed consoles I have seen in years. 2 screens, each screen a different size from one another, one screen brighter than the other, its a disaster, I feel sorry for thoughs who have already bought one as it really needs a lot of work.

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

The 3DS to me is nothing more than a slightly more powerful DS with a gimmick attached to it. I've tried the 3DS and it's not for me. The Vita is a PS3 in your pocket and the games that keep getting announced for it are games I want to play. I hope it allows for Netflix, I can't get enough of 3rd Rock from the Sun.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Zelda. 🙂

Warrior Poet
Warrior Poet
9 years ago

I love me some Zelda, but it's not enough for the 3DS. Especially when there's that N64 emulator for PSP…

bwhahahahaha.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Zelda on 3DS is great!!

Shame there's not much else to play on it til Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land come out.

Plus, since this is the first time I'm playing Zelda Ocarina of Time all the way through, I'm loving it!! No rehashes or replays here, all first time!!! (I did own a PS1 after all, no N64, and some friends with N64's all played Goldeneye or Mario Kart 64 most of the time)

gumbi
gumbi
9 years ago

Games make all the difference. And the Vita launch lineup is looking pretty enticing.

On another note: I really don't understand the sudden negativity surrounding the price of the Vita. Everyone was thrilled about it when Sony announced it a couple months ago.

So now $250 is too much for the Vita and yet, for some reason, everyone just accepts that an iPod Touch costs $430.00??? (according to BestBuy Canada) Get your heads on straight folks!

LimitedVertigo
LimitedVertigo
9 years ago

Most consumers are misinformed sheep.

Zen_Zarab
Zen_Zarab
9 years ago

I agree, Baaaaaaa.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Shame that people can be so easily manipulated into spending money on products they don't need, or spending extra on an Apple product when competitors often do the same thing, most times better, and cheaper.

Apple is like Nike. You're not paying for the product, you're paying for a brand!!

Take the Apple and "i" logos off it, and you got yourself a half priced tablet, smartphone or mp3 player.

ace_boon_coon
ace_boon_coon
9 years ago

The vita is going to destroy the 3ds; devs seem more interested in the vita.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Indeed.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Bioshock on Vita. Not 3DS.

Vita sales boom in 2013!!!!

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

If its got social functions then cell phone capabilities are needless. Nobody talks over their phone any more, I know I don't. I'd rather text.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 8/25/2011 2:57:09 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

I text a lot but I still prefer calling people.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Vita has a touch screen keyboard.

I'll be kissing my iphone goodbye when I start messaging friends over my Vita (considering my friends get Vitas as well, which is most likely)

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

At least we know the Japanese dislike bad systems (few 360 sales) and love handhelds (DS sales) so they will probably ignore the 3DS and buy the Vita which is good for Japanese gaming.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Make you wonder though, why PSP isn't more popular here, it's insanely popular in Japan.

Oh, while we're on the subject of hardware in other markets. SCEE says that it's sold 22 million PS3s in Europe, despite the UK market behaving similarly to the US market. So they are focusing on how to improve things in the UK.

Don't you find it odd that it's predominantly the English speaking countries in which the 360 does well and the rest of the world it's the PS3 that dominates? I mean, that whole sticker shock thing that people often talk about affected all PS3 buyers, not just those in the English speaking markets. So, what else could be at work?

When I think about it, the biggest difference in terms of the market and market conditions between the English speaking countries and non-English speaking countries is the hugely influential gaming and tech media. If you remember there was a huge tidal wave of negative press that built up around Sony prior to the launch of the PS3, and the wave broke over the market when the PS3 launched, inundating the media with negative spin.

I just find it interesting that in those countries that are clearly more likely to read and be influenced by the US tech and gaming media, the 360 dominates despite it's hardware issues and lack of games. You have to consider whether there is something more than coincidence involved. considering the very negative marketing that Microsoft has indulged in in the past in other markets, and their known tendency to seed fear, uncertainty and doubt in customers of competing products, it really makes you wonder.

But then to see the Vita, before it's even launched being talked down mere weeks after it's unveiling, it makes you wonder whether we are in for a repeat of that BS campaign that was leveled at the PS3. Seriously, when announced at E3, the Vita's appearance, capability, specs and especially price drew gasps of surprised appreciation, much applause and many accolades. Yet just a few weeks later, some in the US tech press are writing stories that essentially take the line "Is it too late for Vita", or "Is Vita Overpriced?", and so forth.

I mean seriously, WTF!? This is the same bogus crap that happened with the PS3. The same baseless stories that seed fear and uncertainty and doubt. Casting uncertainty about the future of the Vita, fear that it might fail, doubt about it's price, etc… Look, I know people think I hate MS and automatically attack them, perhaps that's true to some extent. But really and truly, when you look at what happened to PS3, where it happened and how. Then you compare what looks like it might be beginning with the Vita, you really have to consider whether they have a role in this. even if it's just Microsoft loyalists in the US tech and gaming media with their unconscious bias, the problem is that it's there.

Oh, and I do not believe that the BS I am talking a bout comes from Nintendo, they have better things to do with their time, like develop new products.

I can't say it's all Microsoft's fault, but I can look at the obvious disparity between the English speaking markets and the rest of the world and how that very negative press was completely prevalent during the 12-18 months up to the PS3 launch and extremely negative during the 2-3 years following the launch.

Can the media have that broad and strong an effect? I don't know, but circumstantially, it looks like they can. all I know is, I don't want Vita to suffer the same fate as the PS3 in the US/UK, nor do I want it to become the new PSP in those markets either. It needs to sell like the PSP in Japan, because that is a reflection of the quality of the device, no matter what the western press say.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I recently remarked on this very thing in an editorial at VelocityGamer "Will Vita Get the Same Hate as PS3?" http://www.velocitygamer.com/pt/Will-Vita-Get-The-Same-Hate-As-PS3/blog.htm

It's a complicated issue to be sure but Vita has a few things going for it and what I ultimately boiled it down to was that a console (or portable) basically has its edge either over or under the competition based largely on the media coverage.

If every online site gave the PS3 the preferential treatment it gave the 360 I'm sure it would already have left MS's year long start in the dust. Vita will also hinge on whether or not the media decides to hate on it before there is even a product.

It's irresponsible and comparable to how the News makes the market crash further just by making a huge deal out of a hundred point drop.

When the media does this, the fanboys win because their loud voices are the ones that are heard.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 8/25/2011 4:17:52 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Indeed Worlds, indeed.

What I find most troubling though, is that if you dig, and apply logic and consideration and research to the topic and comment about it, many people react extremely negatively, and angrily almost as if it's offensive that anyone would try to analyze the subject or draw reasonable conclusions that differ from what might be called the accepted view.

I can't help the reality of the situation, I can't help the reality of the numbers.If I look at this topic and start considering things, there are questions like the one I discussed above that need answering, I just wish that people were not afraid of the answers.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I haven't thought much about why English speaking areas are the way they are, that would require a good deal of deliberation. Your thoughts?

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

At first, because of the prevalence of shooters, I would have said it was some kind of gun culture thing, but the UK has no real gun culture. That said, the UK is culturally very similar to the US. However I think it has more to do with the consumption of media and the reach of the internet. I suspect, that if you analyze the content of tech and gaming media in other language over the last 6 years and compare it with the English equivalents, you will find a very different spin and bias on stories relating to gaming and Sony in particular. I believe that the influence of the internet and English speaking media on English speaking consumers has been far, far underestimated, and that what Sony has experienced is a demonstration of that power. Conspiracy theories will be alleged no doubt, but there really isn't much doubt in my mind. France, Germany, Italy, Japan, all the other non-English developed countries in the world function as a group very differently in terms of video games and the video game industry. The success of the PS3 extremely clearly delineates the two groupings. The most obvious difference is in the language spoken and media consumed by the consumers in each group.

That's why I wonder about the impact of the negative press and whether its actually far greater an impact than anyone really wants top recognize.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

If it's as skewed as you say then you're probably right, there is nothing worse for the healthy of an industry (or governing body for that matter) than misinformed individuals.

There are a LOT of dittoheads out there because of the need people have to feel like they are a part of something bigger, even if that is just a circle of friends who are obsessed with the same game.

Ignitus
Ignitus
9 years ago

By the way, there is an article on EDGE that states that Studio Liverpool considers the PS Vita development enviroment to be the easiest PS development tools they have ever worked on.

Seems SONY learned it's lesson and things look good in PS's future, development wise.

DazeOfWar
DazeOfWar
9 years ago

The Vita is going to rule. I already preordered the 3G one just in case I want to sign up for the internet package. The system is well worth the price and the games are just looking amazing.

Minishmaru
Minishmaru
9 years ago

Why is the price such a big deal? I mean seriously why don't the people complaining just save up? Thats what I did when I heard the PS3 was launching at $599 and that was with Talladega Nights and 1 controller only! Shop smart! shop S-MART! 😉

FxTales
FxTales
9 years ago

This is what has confused me from the start with the PS3, the fact that the PS2 and how its popularity was miles ahead of the Xbox. Sony was king and very few had anything bad to say.

Then this bizarre flip around prior to the PS3's launch and all the hate. Why would the media do that? Because a lot of people listened. I actually am quite pissed off at how it's still going on.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Indeed, I've watched, reported on and commented on this industry and tech in general for well over a decade now, and the way that the media, market and consumers turned on Sony was really quite remarkable. The fact that it continues today and people still buy in to it bothers me immensely.