Oh yes, the PSP2 hype is climbing, and it's climbing fast.

We learned this week that Sony's newest portable offering might be unveiled on January 27 and now, that same source has provided us with some juicy – and perhaps hard to believe – details. It seems the PSP2 will be on store shelves for the holiday season this year and more importantly, we'll be looking at a "high-end portable equivalent of its next-gen home console." Indeed, Sony has told licensees the unit "is as powerful as the PlayStation 3." Sources have also stated that Sony would start outlining its 2011 handheld strategy "within days" of Nintendo revealing their 3DS plans. As it stands now, we might have a super powerful portable device in our hands as early as October, and it'll boast a high-definition screen and twin analog controls. As for the games, Sony is doing everything they can to separate the PSP2 from the Apple and Android handheld devices…well, if the new PSP is as powerful as the PS3, that's separation enough, yes?

Lastly, PSP2 will utilize a media format to insure "retail has a part to play in the console's lifecycle by selling physical software," so the idea of a PSP Go clone seems to be out. Just don't forget the new PSP will certainly be capable of smaller games and apps via the PSN. If you're into handheld gaming, this news should be quite exciting and if the sources are correct, we'll have all the relevant info in only two weeks time. Stay tuned.

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Looking Glass
Looking Glass
10 years ago

All I can say is that they better have the games come launch day. They definitely need to avoid making the same early mistake they made with the PS3.

natho86
natho86
10 years ago

So true, they need the games to have a successful launch.

manofchao5
manofchao5
10 years ago

the psp2 being as powerful as the ps3 is a joke, if it was on the same level of processing power then the psp2 would need to be constantly wired to play for long hours

GuernicaReborn
GuernicaReborn
10 years ago

Are we looking at UMD's again? Or will a new media format be unveiled along with the PSP2?

kraygen
kraygen
10 years ago

If they come out with a new format I hope it includes a umd slot so I can still enjoy my psp games.

Simcoe
Simcoe
10 years ago

I would think/hope that for the sake of battery life, it's a solid state type of media.

GuernicaReborn
GuernicaReborn
10 years ago

Maybe it will just be UMDHD, or UBD(universal Blu-ray disc) or some other variation. The new media would be the same size as a UMD and you could still play old UMD's on it.

gumbi
gumbi
10 years ago

I'm anticipating some type of signed memory stick. Ultra high capacity, fast read speeds, battery friendly. And most of all, compact. They can easily pack 32+ Gb's on something the size of an SD card.

I'll gladly bid farewell to disc media in my portable console.

Fane1024
Fane1024
10 years ago

Yeah, disc drive + portable system was, in hindsight, a bad idea.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

Such a bad idea that it sold 60 million units. ūüėČ

matt99
matt99
10 years ago

If it's true that it's that powerful, and there are enough quality games on launch I will definitely be getting this one. (Also depending on price obviously)


Last edited by matt99 on 1/13/2011 11:16:41 AM

spiderboi
spiderboi
10 years ago

A new media format that's less draining on the batt, launch day games, and.. oh, right price. They better not be selling gold. We can only afford silver.

godsman
godsman
10 years ago

I want a new media format too. I rather sacrifice storage space for battery life, if PSP2 uses cartridges like DS. I have a bad feeling it'll end up being nothing but downloadable games like the PSP Go though.

coverton341
coverton341
10 years ago

Sony has a long history of releasing bleeding-edge technologies and making the consumer pay for it. Not just the Playstation brand, but across their entire market. TVs, PCs, audio equipment, you name it. I love it to death because I am a technophile, but I don't hold my breath for a good price when I hear they are coming out with something new.

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
10 years ago

Hopefully they've learned from the early struggles of the PS3.

coverton341
coverton341
10 years ago

@Looking Glass

Hopefully, but I wouldn't set my watch to it. Their PCs, TVs, and audio equipment is still ahead of anything else at time of release and the price indicates it.

Sony products really are for a higher bracket of earners at launch. Just look at the PSP Go. Even though that was a release disaster those things are still $200 new.

Anyway, I really hope they have a decent price point at launch, but again I'm not holding my breath

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
10 years ago

ive heard the games were to utilize memory sticks, but its still unclear how true that is

spiderboi
spiderboi
10 years ago

If sticks it is, they better come up with a good security measure against piracy. Perhaps sticks serving as cartridges? One slot for games, one slot for your storage needs.. Non-moving parts will do wonders for their battery.

godsman
godsman
10 years ago

It's not a surprise to see PSP2 as powerful as a PS3. I'm sure it can generate just as pretty graphics, but just not enough details without the cell processor.

One reason I don't play PSP games on my HDTV is because it's ugly. If PSP2 can have some decent graphics, I might hook it up to the TV and interchange with my PS3.

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
10 years ago

Who ever said that it wouldn't have the CELL? I think the expression "as powerful as the PS3" would seem to hint at that. After all the CELL has no doubt become cheaper to manufacture since the release of the PS3.

godsman
godsman
10 years ago

I saw one of these headlines before, but they ultimately meant like 256 mb of memory.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Looking Glass, Battery life if depend on whether the Cell is feasible or not. I'm not sure the battery power exists yet.

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
10 years ago

Hmm. I suppose that "powerful as the PS3" is a bit of a vague and ambiguous statement.

Simcoe
Simcoe
10 years ago

@godsman mini or micro hdmi connector out? Maybe they'd keep that for the 2000 series model.

Shams
Shams
10 years ago

If 'tis true, lets hope it comes with heat-resistant cooking mits included. One would've thought they would've released a practically heatlesss ps3 slim model before they'd develop the tech for at least a power efficient portable device "as powerful" as the ps3.

Anyway, I know not to read to deep in pre-announcement/release media and hype…like the PSP be being just as powerful as the PS2…or the PS2 having the ability to do Toy Story like graphics with the emotion engine. What eventually does get me excited, more so than vaunted tech prowess and specs, are the Sony exclusives that eventually come out.

AraykuBlu
AraykuBlu
10 years ago

If it's gonna run UMDs I hope it's backwards compatible or atleast with the downloaded games.

Riku994
Riku994
10 years ago

If the PSP2 is at powerful as the PS3…the PS4 is gunna be brutally unparallel-able.

kraygen
kraygen
10 years ago

Yeah, if they can pack the ps3 into a psp, then the ps4 should blow gaming computers outta the water.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

If all this is true, don't count on this thing costing less than $300 USD. Some of you have to understand new tech always, ALWAYS cost an arm and a leg. The early adopters like me know how to…start saving a few bucks here and there. By the time this is released, if you start saving now, you can have one upon released date. Seriously, how hard is it to put a few bucks in a jar every few days or every week?

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Indeed. I know people are strapped for cash but saving a few dollars here and there can go along way especially if people want to support their favorite hobby. ūüôā

$300 for a handheld that is on par with the PS3 is a steal in my opinion.

Simcoe
Simcoe
10 years ago

A base Ipod touch costs about $250 right, I think it'd be more than fair if the psp2 was $300 considering how much more powerful it would be.

Shams
Shams
10 years ago

The 3DS's European MSRP was officially announced to be 299.99 (in Pounds not Euros or USD). That's close to $460 dollars. And even if it release a bit cheaper state-side, I can't imagine it being any less than $400 or $350 at the least. And I don't expect PSP2's tech to be any cheaper, as it will be much more advanced tech (sans 3D parallax screen).

Qubex
Qubex
10 years ago

$300 is not much considering what I purchased my Phatty 60gig PS3 console on launch. It was outrageous at the time, and I think a little silly on my part… anyway, when I consider the huge amount of fun I have had with it, and could have with the PSP2… well, it is probably worth it…

..BUT… I am more sensitive to the hype than ever now…

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Kiryu
Kiryu
10 years ago

I hope the ps3 will have 10 more years of lifetime because it needs to achieve ps2's library of games.
If the psp2 is as powerful as ps3 then they might forget the ps3.Please don't let that happen sony!

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

I don't think that a PSP2 will be capable of PS2 emulation without hardware assistance. Of course, Sony may well supplement the off the shelf processors with a mobile version of the PS2 chipset. However software emulation of a PS2 on the PSP2 will not be possible without some hardware assist. Heck, the PS3 can't even do it.

The reason being that the PS2's GS chip does things differently from all other GPUs and has a monster amount of internal data bandwidth. No current GPUs have been able to match that in a way that allows emulation.

big6
big6
10 years ago

I don't have the links for proof, but…
The statement that the PSP2 is "as powerful as the PS3" is speaking on relative terms.

Because the screen on the PSP2 is so small, they don't need to push true 1920x1080p resolutions to get a "hi-def" look. Thus, they will be able to scale down everything and still maintain a decent framerate.

As for the media, don't expect another UMD-type disc. I fully expect them to utilize a form of SSD for their physical media. It will be lightning fast and use less power.

But as Coverton said above… don't expect the price to be cheap. Bleeding-edge hardware comes at a cost.

monkeypunch
monkeypunch
10 years ago

What everyone is forgetting is that the PS3 is around 6 to 8 years old. Launch was 11 November 2006 and it was in development for at least 2 to 3 years before that.

And with all the advances in mobile devices components sizes have been reduced significantly. Mobile phones as slim as half an inch have 1.2GHz dual core processors with 1GB Memory, 16 to 32GB internal Flash Memory (Flash is the same as SSD), NVidia Tegra GPU's.

There hasn't been a mobile gaming device created with current technology. Everything so far has been dual purpose. The mobile phone devices are not going to put the fastest mobile GPU in their hardware because they have to balance cost with features.

What I'm saying is it's not impossible or far fetched. They could make a mobile gaming device 100x faster than a PS3 but there are many reasons they don't.

A couple of reasons,

• cost – Sony has to keep the price to a price the market can bear. You can have that PS3x100 but then you have Neo Geo x 10. For you padawan learners the NeoGeo was a sweet ass console that had arcade level graphics and controls. The problem was that the console cost $600 and the games $200. So console makers have to choose between using existing components which are lower cost or using creating custom components which are higher cost. The advantage of the custom components as you know are they can take advantage of all the latest technological breakthroughs. Also the cost of using the latest technology can include licensing costs.

Anyway, you can still pick CPUs and GPUs off the shelf and do alright. The 360 went that route.

• battery – everyone knows this. The more power you draw the more power you draw. The PSP2 can be as powerful as the PS3 but it doesn't mean it will use all of the power it has available. It's not unusual to set a max limit on the clock cycles. They did this with PSP1. And what's more, the next generation of mobile gaming devices will benefit from components optimized for low power environments. Look at the Laptops that came out in the last year. They went from 2 to 4 hrs battery to 6 to 8hrs. 2 to 3x longer in some cases.

The argument that it's a smaller screen so there's less to render is misleading. Modern mobile device screens have a much higher pixel density. You're laptop or desktop display has 72 dots per inch (DPI). A modern mobile phone has around 240 pixels per inch (PPI). To over simplify it to render an inch of screen real estate on your computer monitor you would need to control 72 x 72 or 5,184 pixels. To do the same on the phone display you'd need to control 240×240 or 57,600 pixels!!! There's definitely a lot going on in the GPU! Don't mistake a small screen size to mean less pixels. In the end it's the hardware and software that determine the resolution and more importantly what's rendered on the screen.


Last edited by monkeypunch on 1/16/2011 12:01:14 PM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
10 years ago

@Monkeypunch

Nope, no one is forgetting anything, but I think what *you* are forgetting is that in the first year of the PS3's life, the CellBE chips that power it were still not achieving good production yields because they were so darned new – barely past engineering samples. The decision to allow the use of substandard Cells by reducing the active SPE count to 7 proves that point – it allowed a far higher % of Cells coming off the production line to be used since any Cell with only one faulty SPU could be used. The Blue LEDs used for the BluRay drive were in very early production, barely past the engineering sampling stage too. The XDR Rambus memory was brand new and essentially untried, and still offers bandwidth that other memory can't. The system will be 5 in November, and probably existed for another year before that. Prior to that, only exotically engineered dev kits existed even inside Sony as technology demonstrators. The PS3 is at very most 6 years old at this point, even including the early tech demonstrations.

Quite apart from anything else you are vastly overstating the ability of mobile SoC processors. Even Tegra3 4 Core A9 (ARM) will have only 4 cores plus the mobile Geforce 8/9 GPU. Even though the ARM cores are dual issue, this still does not come close to matching up core for core with the CellBE itself. The mobile Geforce GPU will more or less match the RSX in most respects, it's still a mobile part, not a desktop one, there are compromises made. But comparing 4 dual issue ARM cores against the CellBE isn't a fair comparison, not to mention the fact that the CellBE's SPEs are specifically tuned to be excellent floating point engines. Let's not neglect the clock speeds, the CellBE runs at 3.2GHz, the Tegra will run at between 1GHz and 1.5GHz at most. Cycle for Cycle, Cell will always be more powerful. FLOP for FLOP the CEll will always be far more powerful. Combine all of that and I'm sorry, but there's no way to assert that a Tegra3 (or Tegra2) powered system will be a match for a PS3. That's simply not a reasonable argument.

None of that means that a PSP2 based on a TEgra3 (or whatever) wouldn;t be very powerful, and as I've pointed out before, most non-1st party games have made poor, or no use of the Cell's SPEs. For games of that kind, a PSP2 based on a 4 core 1+GHz SoC with a GeForce 8/9 GPU would be a match. But against anything that capitalizes on the SPEs in the SP3, there's no comparison at all.

FullmetalX10
FullmetalX10
10 years ago

Two analogs
As powerful as the PS3 o.O
High-def screen
Physical media

*Jizz in my pants*

No but seriously, if they can pull that off and convince me to make a day one purchase with some awesome new games, I won't really mind a 300$ price tag. I might have to rethink that statement though, with all them games coming out, I'm already broke -_-

Fane1024
Fane1024
10 years ago

Indeed. With all the AAA games, it's a bad year to launch systems.

kraygen
kraygen
10 years ago

I love new tech toys and I can't wait to see the official unveiling. I am still praying tho that it doesn't have a touch screen.

Game screens should be pretty, not covered in fingerprints.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
10 years ago

Word is that it has a touch pad, similar to a laptop's mousepad on the back of the device in leiu of a touch screen. So no need to worry about dirtying up the screen.

kraygen
kraygen
10 years ago

Thank goodness, I'll never understand people's love of touchscreens.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

I like having a touch screen on my phone. Much better than having a phone from the early 2000's or late 90's. Also the touch screen on the DS made for some pretty fun games. Touch screen isn't a necessity but still fun and convenient depending on the hardwares purpose.

CH1N00K
CH1N00K
10 years ago

Media Format..Mini Blurays? Probably not…


Last edited by CH1N00K on 1/13/2011 12:08:15 PM

SolidFantasy
SolidFantasy
10 years ago

That crossed my mind. The UMDs of the PSP don't hold enough. Wonder what's Sony's plan is this time around.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Would be pretty sweet if they did. I think they have them in development if they aren't already done yet.

SolidFantasy
SolidFantasy
10 years ago

AM EXCITED!!!! Why must i be so poor? This year is going to hurt.

556pineapple
556pineapple
10 years ago

As cool as this sounds, for it to match the power of the PS3 and be as small as it is, it would have to be VERY expensive. I can see it easily matching the PS3 launch price of $599.

Jawknee
Jawknee
10 years ago

Not necessarily. Time's have changes since 2006. The tech has gotten cheaper and smaller. Sony is not going to release a $600 handheld. If they do I'll eat my hat.