Some great games already in for the fall, many more to come. Prepare yourselves!

This focus on the realistic and the gritty is hurting JRPGs

You know, we've spoken at length about the demise of the JRPG this generation. Recently, I've blamed critics for being biased against the sub-genre, thereby resulting in lower-than-anticipated sales, which in turn causes developers to second-guess the production of more JRPGs. However, if you look at the biggest (and best) games in the world right now, they tend to be either realistic or gritty or both. The success of colorful, inoffensive, mostly nonviolent games seems to only work for Nintendo these days.

Of course, there are exceptions to that rule ( Ratchet & Clank , for instance), but the industry trends are very clear. If it isn't realistic/gritty, it's more sci-fi or darker in general; i.e., BioWare's productions like Mass Effect and Dragon Age . These bright, non-bloody JRPGs with younger-looking anime characters just seem to be falling by the wayside. So when I see Ni no Kuni commercials , or I hear about the Tales series , I keep thinking they just don't fit anymore.

Stop freaking out about the length of Uncharted 3

I almost didn't post the story because I knew what would happen. Firstly, gamers would immediately forget that both of the first two Uncharted games weren't longer than 12 hours; many gamers finished them in around 10 hours. Secondly, when you hear a critic or journalist give a length estimate, it is always on the short end. Always. Reviewers were saying Heavenly Sword was like 5 or 6 hours long, for instance, and that was crap . It was easily an 8-10 hour game for all normal players. And it's not that reviewers want to lie.

But it's the only number they know. All they know is how fast it took them to finish; they can only speculate how much longer it would be for everyone else. And many times, it's really hard to tell. When you're going fast and you just need to get it done, you'd be amazed what you voluntarily skip. You'd be amazed at what your brain automatically dismisses as unimportant just for the sake of progression. 8-9 hours from that sort of source? It's a 10-hour game. At the least. And that's hardly any different from previous iterations, so don't start freaking out.

Personal gaming update

As you might expect, I haven't had much time for myself, so I haven't even been able to finish RAGE or Catherine . The only good news is that I'm close to the end of both (I think), and nothing else is on my plate…yet. Batman: Arkham City arrives this week, of course, and that's hardly the end of things. I also have to deliver a review for PAYDAY: The Heist , and I have The Sims 3: Pets sitting here…although I'm debating on a review. I'm just not sure anyone will care about it.

Plus, we've got The Cursed Crusade , Okabu , The Lord of the Rings: War in the North , Sonic Generations , and GoldenEye 007: Reloaded to deal with. So yeah, it'll just keep getting busier. But thankfully, it only goes until Thanksgiving and then I can finally get a break.

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bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

I think uncharted 3 will end up being a leNgth no one can complain about. With that said, I just wanna say both my save files for uncharted 1 and 2 are upwards of 12 hours. That's me playing the game normally and piling up treasures as I go, but not constantly backtracking and looking for them, but just enjoying the pace of the story. If Uncharted 3 takes me 8 to 9 hours playing the same way I will be a little upset.

Also I never ever rush through games except for trophies, heavenly sword I believe took me around 8 hours so… Yea reviewers rush through games.


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 10/15/2011 9:39:48 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Excessive thumbs down? Wth? There is nothing wrong with what this man said. If you are going to thumb him down atleast challenge what he said instead of hiding behind the thumbs like a coward.

Douchebaguette
Douchebaguette
9 years ago

Those cowards are running from the battlefield! SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
9 years ago

I wouln't worry about a review for The Sims 3, Ben. Just sit back, relax and finish RAGE and Catherine.

EDIT: this wasn't supposed to be a reply 🙂


Last edited by Killa Tequilla on 10/15/2011 10:59:57 PM

Gordo
Gordo
9 years ago

Call me a noob but Uncharted 1 took me 11 hours and Uncharted 2 14 hours for my first playthroughs…

I would call that good value for money! Since I then instantly restarted them both and played through a second time that is special as I rarely do that anymore.

Played through the campaign of Killzone 3 four times. Played through Uncharted 2 four times.
Traded LA Noire and Crysis 2 half way through them both.

I know which ones I would call good value for money!

kokoro
kokoro
9 years ago

I don't think you should bother reviewing the sims.

Dreno
Dreno
9 years ago

Firtsly, Ben, are you talking about jrpg's as its on sub rpg genre or rpgs in the complete genre?

I only ask because of the rpgs I've seen on the current gen are mostly realistic/gritty. But for jrpgs for the mosy part, I think keep the tradition "younger hero" colorful world and monsters setup that's been the selling point for that genre, jrpgs. I mean look at wkc 1&2. Colorful worlds, younger heros, magic etc…

But if you look at the flip side you get games like fallout, kind of the elder scrolls games, and dragon age. Yes I view dragon age as not being a jrpg.

Anyways, to me it seems like the jrpg sub genre of the rpg genre is still there. Although not as much as it used to be, look at what ff used to be as opposed to what ff13 is.
While I think the creators of great rpgs want to cater to the casual gamer I know that there are still those devs out there making jrpgs that are keeping what I believe to be what an rpg needs to be, alive. For that I'm grateful.

I say keep giving us the rpgs of yesteryear, give us the ff7,8,9 and 10s, give us the kh's, give us the chrono triggers and so on and so forth. Let the causal gamers get they're jollies with the fps's and action games. ( nothing wrong with the fps's and action games ) but keep the rpg genre what it should be.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

It's sad that there aren't more games with the look of the likes of Ni No Kuni and VC. They are simply so absorbing and really act to stand out from the norm of dark, dull environs. But then, it is also the gameplay that stands out, so I'm left wondering, are the two linked in some way? Do offbeat graphics work better with genres that are less popular… Hmm.

I'm sure that Uncharted 3 will be of a decent length. What I find strange is that people seem to attack the nine hour statement then turn around and say ten hours is fine. Is it a double digit mentality, or are people just funny like that. I'm predicting that it'll take me ten and a half hours first time around on normal, and I'm okay with that. If it takes eight and a half, I'll be extremely disappointed, but c'est la vie, I'll just play over it again on Hard and enjoy it all over again.

PU:
Haven't made much progress with Paradise, but I'm getting through it slowly.
Finished Dante's Inferno yesterday, and it has issues, but it isn't a bad game. Just not a great one. Now playing Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and damn… dem grafix iz daaaated. Rest of the game still holds up well though from the half hour that I've spent back in that world thus far.
Been having trouble getting to sleep lately, which means that I've been cracking out the PSP to help me nod off. Made some more progress on FFIV!
Peace.

PasteNuggs
PasteNuggs
9 years ago

If even if UC3 is only 8 to 9 hours it will be the most amazing nine hours you haven't ever spent in front of your television. I think it will take me a bit longer though because I probably won't use that fancy new sprint button they've added.

As for JRPG's I see this as for so long all everyone seemed to talk about was pushing graphics. Making it look more real, better animations etc. That's why I think the best games from generations past were cartoony and non realistic looking. Developers knew they couldn't make stuff look real yet and they made it cartoony to make things look smoother.

PGU:

Working through Rage right now with eleven hours clocked. Does anyone know how long it takes. I really wanna get it and R&C finished before Battlefield but Rage keeps dragging on and on.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

"So when I see Ni no Kuni commercials, or I hear about the Tales series, I keep thinking they just don't fit anymore."

I say who cares? I'm just happy we're finally getting some colorful, turn based JRPG's on our PS3. I absolutly cannot WAIT for Ni No Kuni. It's my most anticipated game of 2012.

In not worried one bit about Uncharted 3's length. I have always wished Uncharted games were a bit longer but 8 to 12 hours seems about right for their stories.

PGU: Since the GT5 update its been GT5 and RAGE.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

If gaming -actually- wants to be considered a legitimate entertainment avenue and be taken seriously by people… and remove it's stigma as something male high-school drop outs or social failures do in their parent's basements…

Then we -NEED- variety and some form of artistic expression in games. If all we ever get is dark, dirty, gritty, and controversial… then gaming will eventually lose interest with mature adults and maintain it's negative stigma.

Yes, we need games like CoD, Battlefield, and Mass Effect… but we also need our White Knight's, Ni No Kuni's, Tales of, Heavy Rains, and Uncharteds. Without them, gaming will never evolve beyond the technical.

Rather… it will cease it's evolution. Because let's face it… gaming has been doing amazing things the last 2 decades. I would hate to see it lose momentum just because some people have a limited outlook on what dictates quality.

The industry needs more money placed into development so variety never suffers. (Can you imagine how much greater CoD would be if even 10% more of the billions made were placed back into it's own development?!?!)

SoulController
SoulController
9 years ago

Its so funny that you say that about JRPGS Ben, as I have been trying to get back into anime lately. I was watching Death Note earlier tonight and thought of the Anime & Japanese art style, why isnt it as popular and how much I miss it. Without over thinking it or beating a dead horse, I really think it all boils down to the simple fact that nothing last forever. In all forms of media, nothing stays popular and on top forever.

For example, I'm a fan of funk music and Funk was at its height in popularity in the 70s and 80s and only lasted that long because of Prince taking it to another level. At the end of the day, thats what Japanese devs and artist need to do. Go up a couple more notches. They've done it before..

I think everyone, especially playstation fans have a lot of anxiety about Uncharted 3. We all want it to be great and average a metacritic score of at least 90. I have complete faith in Naughty Dog and know they wont let us down on the length, gameplay etc…

PGU: Dark Souls is crack on a blu ray!One of the best things about Dark Souls are the fans and its community. All of my friends who have it and a few of my PSN friends, were always helping each other and giving each other tips. I really believe its part of why the game is so popular.

I platinumed Ghost of Sparta last week & finished Dead Space extraction and now I cant wait for DS3.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Ironically, I've never been into anime despite my love of JRPGs. 🙂

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Neither have I Ben. The closest to anime I have ever gotten is Akira, Ninja Scroll, Fist of the Northstar and Dragon Ball.

kokoro
kokoro
9 years ago

Death note is incredible. A masterpiece.

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
9 years ago

Interestingly enough, anime is actually more popular now than it's ever been and it's popularity continues to rise.

As for while JRPGs are simultaneously not as popular as they once were. Well that is a good question that I myself don't really have the answer to.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Not worried about Uncharted 3. I'm having some fun with Atelier Totori (turn based combat and anime goodness), so much so I'm putting WKCII on the back burner. But I've also got Dead Island and Catherine to play and my time is also very short. Got to make a little headway in Crysis as well, that game both impresses and disappoints me.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

I'd like to play those Altier games but I'm not a fan of the cardboard cutout story telling.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I'm not either but you deal with it, it's not nearly as rampant as it is in Ar Tonelico.

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
9 years ago

@ Jawknee

The "cardboard cutout" thing you mention is actually better known as the Visual Novel style of presentation.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

@Looking Glass

I think that is a great illustration of the problems we face here. Jawknee sees that story telling style and uses the characterization "cardboard cutout" which, like it or not, has negative connotations. Rather than seeing the Visual Novel style for what it is, it's characterized in a negative manner. Just as so much else about the JRPG is – in the west – characterized in ways that have negative connotations.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Isn't the "cardboard cutout" style also used in western games like inFamous, not just jrpgs? Or am I misunderstanding what you guys mean here?


Last edited by Beamboom on 10/17/2011 8:33:13 AM

Looking Glass
Looking Glass
9 years ago

@ Beamboom

No. The style that you're referring to with games like inFAMOUS is the Motion Comic style. The Visual Novel style is something entirely different.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Oh! Alright. Thanks for clarifying, I had a feeling I was wrong. 🙂

JDC80
JDC80
9 years ago

PGU: Just finished off "Spider-Man Edge of Time" and "Dead Island" kinda surprised the final boss wasn't that hard considering the horde I had to fight through just to get the roof to face him. So the plan now is get Batman Arkham City and a few weeks later get Uncharted 3 when they ship on the 31st.

Got a question people are asking me what I want for Christmas I already said NHL 12 but I'm not sure about NBA 2k12 from the things I'm hearing the players and owners are light years apart on agreeing on a new CBA. So I'm not sure I would want a game where the season doesn't happen. I already got most of the rookies that were in this year draft class in NBA 2k11. So should I still get it and hope the season starts at some point or ask something else?

StubbornScorpio
StubbornScorpio
9 years ago

Current generation hardware is the real culprit here because of graphical limits. Realism breeds believability, and why WOULDN'T people appreciate that? Still, seeing a game like Ni no Kuni using the PS3's power to churn out a beautiful anime-like aesthetic is sooooo damn refreshing.

For Uncharted 3, people just have high expectations and it's a matter of self-control to preserve the game's magic.

PGU: I finally got around to finishing ICO & Shadow of the Colossus. These games have had such a profound effect on me, easily moved into my top 10 all-time favorites list. Now onto the Portal 2 Peer Review co-op with my sis 🙂

Alienange
Alienange
9 years ago

I'll be honest, I think the UC franchise suffers from linearitis. People know full well that there's no real exploring, side quests or other distractions in the game. It's a linear action adventure. So if someone can get through part 3 in 9 hours, well… that's 3 less than the last game. You can't sit here and say, "yeah, but that's because he just ran through the story" because the story is all there is.

Am I to think that the mp will add longevity? If that's the case then where are the adds? Where is the publisher's backing saying "hey, this is fantastic mp!"

It's not there. And that makes me think twice about spending that kind of money on a short adventure.

bigrailer19
bigrailer19
9 years ago

What you said about the linear experience and "the stories all there", isn't always the case. You can run through a linear experience. Here's an example I believe the first time I played GoW it took me probably 10 hours. But in the HD collection there is a trophy for beating the game in under 5. So yes even linear games you can run through, literally by-passing the story.

But I'm with you on some level. I think somewhere in there I get that if Uncharted 3 is a couple hours shorter than the first 2 then that will be a little frustrating. I know for me it will. But I will still enjoy it! 😉


Last edited by bigrailer19 on 10/15/2011 11:44:11 PM

Alienange
Alienange
9 years ago

Enjoy it? No doubt in my mind about that. Disappointed in its length? That's a whole different thing. I would have much preferred to hear that the game had 20 or even 25 hours of gameplay.

But who knows, maybe the mp will be fantastic and will make it all worthwhile. We'll see what the critics say.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

I don't like the implication that just because a game is linear, it takes everyone the same amount of time to finish it.

It insinuates that these games are somehow lesser in quality – which in my experience, is rarely the case – and it also makes far too many assumptions about any supposed "universality" of gamer tendencies.

Some people might want to try and get all the hidden treasures. Some people might play more defensively because they don't like to die as often. Some people might cut CGI scenes short. Some people might find particular situations and bosses more difficult than others, thereby increasing play time.

Open-endedness and freedom is not the be-all and end-all of interactive entertainment, regardless of popular belief. And just as easily as someone could normally finish Uncharted 3 in 8 hours, someone else could take 13. That's a huge difference.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

And as a further comment on length: there should be no length "milestone" any game has to hit in order to be considered "good." That's like saying a book needs to be so many pages in order to be worth reading.

It's an entertainment experience and if the vision of the artist(s) in question can be satisfied in two hours, and it doesn't feel rushed or tedious, than two hours is the correct length. Whether a game is 5 hours or 20 hours, we still have to take the exact same elements into account.

StubbornScorpio
StubbornScorpio
9 years ago

Ben you put that perfectly. Honestly I wanted to make a response to Alienage as well, but you've said it better than I could have hoped to put it.

People seem so focused on numbers; the quality of the game shouldn't be impacted by the length of its campaign. ICO was one of the shortest (if not THE shortest) game I've ever played, yet it had the strongest emotional impact out of any video game I've ever played. I put huge value on that.

I mentioned it in the other article concerning Uncharted's length that basing your gaming habits on another person's play experience is fruitless, no two gamers will play exactly the same way. That's the beauty of it.


Last edited by StubbornScorpio on 10/16/2011 12:32:58 AM

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

@Stubborn: I don't think Uncharted works as a good example of a game where "no two players will play the exact same way".
Generally speaking that's exactly what you have to do: You *have* to move to a certain spot, have to take down the guards in a particular order to succeed, you have to step on those specific stones to climb the wall, you have to unlock that door to get to the next stage etc. Generally speaking players have to play the same way. That's the principle…

Let's use another game as an example of the opposite: Fallout 3. There you can start talking about "not two gamers" etc. They probably don't even look the same, or have the same skills. I spent an insane amount of time just to explore and figure out small things that often even were nothing. You just don't have these things in games like Uncharted. Therefore the playthrough of Fallout 3 can be something between (oh I don't know, picking random numbers here) 3 hours and 130 hours.

now I am not implying anything negative about linear games here. I am just pointing out an objective difference.

I think this is part of what the point Alien try to make too. He's not saying that the experience is any lesser in quality because of that. And it's not. It's just a property of these kind of games.

And with a "cinema experience" like Uncharted, why complain over 8-10 hours anyway? That's one hell of a long movie!


Last edited by Beamboom on 10/16/2011 5:58:34 AM

StubbornScorpio
StubbornScorpio
9 years ago

@Beamboom: Alienage uses the word "linearitis" like it's some sort of plague on the game world. He seems to be making the argument that he wants more than story in the Uncharted games, more features the expand the length of time of the quest. Also, if you live here in the U.S., Sony is definitely pushing Uncharted 3's multiplayer with the Subway deal, FULL access to the multiplayer feature of the game.

I can see you make valid points for the way gamers play and how it's limited in linear games. But still, some players take longer on a certain puzzle or enemy firefight while others will just fly through the sections. It isn't just about the objective, it's HOW players get there.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Beamboom: You must not have read my post. We're well aware that everyone has to do the same things. But how we approach those things, how difficulty they are for certain people, and how people play the game (offensive vs. defensive) can have a drastic impact on game length.

Lairfan
Lairfan
9 years ago

Alienange, have you even paid attention to anything ND's said about Uncharted 3? If "this is going to be the go-to multiplayer experience on PS3" and the Subway promotions for MULTIPLAYER aren't enough promotion for the multiplayer for you, then I doubt anything will ever be.

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

@Ben: I replied to Stubborns post and his claim that not two players will play the same way. I believe they do, generally speaking.
I did read your posts too, just didn't comment on them.

Of course your skill and offensive/defensive style will affect game length. Isn't that obvious? I just think that it will mean noteably *less* than in less linear games. I believe that is the point Alien tried to make. That's all, really. 🙂


Last edited by Beamboom on 10/17/2011 8:37:38 AM

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

@Ben
I half agree with out about length vs. quality. I definitely agree that using length as a factor to a good score only really affects replay values. If a game is good, it's good.

But I do think a game can be too short, regardless of the production values.

However, with Uncharted, based on my experience with the past 2 Uncharteds, I know that even if I beat it the first time in 10 hours, I know I'll go back for more. I know I'll want to beat crushing, and that I want to find all the treasures. I know it will get me something like 25 hours or more of playing bliss. So, for me, I don't see it as a 10 hour game.

However, if I wasn't into all that, and just wanted to play for the story, then yeah… 10 hours might be all I play. And then, it would be too short for me to make an early purchase. It would wait, no matter how good. I try to keep my gaming purchases budgeted by dollars per hour spent. I'm will to play a great game for $3 per hour. Anything from pretty good to less, I'd better get $2 per hour or less. So, if Uncharted 3 only gave me 10 hours, regardless of how good it is, I would be paying $6 per hour for a $60 game. I wouldn't get it until it cost $30.

But based on previous Uncharteds, I know I'll get 25-ish hours guaranteed, if not more. So I can warrant a $60 day one purchase.

I bought ICO/SotC day one this year, but it had a great price point to start. I also got WKC2 and MLB11 the show day one. MLB got me near 80 hours this year and WKC2 has already gotten me 50 or so hours this month, as it's been my exclusive game of choice…

Know what I mean?

DazeOfWar
DazeOfWar
9 years ago

I could care less what the length is on U3. I'm buying and will enjoy the hell out of it no matter what.

PGU: I just platinum'd inFamous 2 today. Really enjoyed the game. I started playing a little Ico and have enjoyed so far. I plan on starting something else which was going to be RAGE but now I kind of want to start Yakuza 3. Last but not least I can't wait to pick up Batman Tuesday. The game is going to be awesome.

dmiitrie
dmiitrie
9 years ago

While I'm sure that UC3 will be just as good as the previous two, I do wish that it was longer (as I wish that the first two were longer).

And as far as JRPGs go, I don't see why they and gritty realism need to be mutually exclusive. Now, I understand that not everyone is a fan of that and I'm glad that there are alternatives out there for these people, but when I look at my favourite JRPGs of the last 4 gens (FF6, FFT, FFX, and Lost Odyssey), I notice that they all have things in common that are absent from today's games (I'm going off of reviews and screen shots as none of the more recent JRPGs have interested me enough to purchase. If I'm overlooking any game, please feel free to correct me): lack of the anime style, the main characters are adults, they have complex and mature themes, and their overall tone is fairly gritty.

Once again, I know there are people who like the things I dislike, and I'm glad they have games. But surely I'm not the only person who would enjoy something that looked and felt more like L5R and less like Innuyasha.

PGU: although I came back to DA:O briefly today, most of my free time (rare though that's been lately) has been spent with TW: Shogun 2. And once I've had my fill of that, I'll probably go to Dawn of War and then Dawn of War 2.

Snaaaake
Snaaaake
9 years ago

Well anime-like games don't have to JRPG, look at Bleach Soul Resurreccion(which I'm close to Plat) and Ultimate Ninja Storm 2, felt like playing and watching anime at the same time.

Ni No Kuni is already looking like a contender for RPG of the year aside from Mass Effect 3.

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
9 years ago

I find Uncharted to be quite colourful; both in terms of visuals and the story. Sure, there's always some sort of dark undertone, but really, theres nothing too sinister. I reckon the game could pass as a 13 rating rather than a 15, minus the few curse words.

About the length – why do people even care? Unless its un-reasonably short, theres nothing to complain about; it takes as long as it takes. I honestly never notice how long a game takes. That said, when going into the stats screen on Uncharted 2 after my first playthrough, I was at 13 hours. I actually though I had played more than that; I'm pretty sure I spent atleast half an hour on each chapter just walking around, admiring the landscape. Its actually a bit scary looking at that stat; I finished the game in 1 and a half days – that means I spent roughly 13/36 hours playing a game. :0

PGU: Stopped playing the UC3 beta as I'm enjoying it too much (lolwut). I want to experiance it first hand in the real game. Also, anyone else going to re-play Uncharted 1 & 2 before they play UC3? I am 😀

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Definitely going through the earlier UC games in preparation. I'm amped.

TheCanadianGuy
TheCanadianGuy
9 years ago

i'm getting so damn pumped for UC3 xD i just finished replaying UC 1&2 in preparation. for it.

PGU decided to celebrate GTA III's 10th anniversary (Next saturday) by replaying it so started that on my ps2 lastnight. 10 years later its still a blast to play holds up so well today.


Last edited by TheCanadianGuy on 10/16/2011 10:14:50 AM

Gordo
Gordo
9 years ago

I've still got Eternal Sonata in my collection. It is a beautiful game. Definately takes me back to a more innocent time!

Doesn't seem like jRPGs are keeping up evolutionary wise in this generation. I'm not sure if people have the time or inclination for a nice, traditional, cerebral, turn based adventure anymore…
(present company excepted)


Last edited by Gordo on 10/16/2011 3:36:40 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Huh?

"Doesn't seem like jRPGs are keeping up evolutionary wise in this generation. "

Why do any games in any game genre have to keep up with the 'evolution' of games in any other genre? That very comment betrays your own thinking that somehow JRPGs are behind the times, less evolved, less advanced. You know, once you get something right, it's 'evolution' tends to slow down – drastically. I don't see the need to 'evolve' here at all. Just about the only thing JRPG fans wanted out of this generation was higher definition graphics in the same styles that they were already happy with, and longer, bigger games that take advantage of the power and storage of the system. So far, very few have met that expectation. Ironically, WKC2 is one of the few that has.

So, what it the need for evolution, and how have JRPGs not 'evolved'?

R3ZR
R3ZR
9 years ago

in my personal opinion, the Uncharted games were both paced well, and the length of each were both perfect. why? because they are both storytelling games, the reason i played each was for their stories, and if a story is too long it gets boring, tedious and sometimes repetitive. i think ND makes brilliant
games, but i wouldnt want an Uncharted game to become tedious and tiring because the story doesnt seem to be progressing..thats just my peraonal opinion tho 🙂

PU: i have both nba2k12 and fifa12 that ive been going away at. both are rather solid sport sims if i could say. ive also replayed uncharted 1 and going to go through 2 this week..other than that just waiting for Batman to show up 🙂 camt wait 🙂

Beamboom
Beamboom
9 years ago

Regarding the jrpg discussion I would like to point you all to two very interesting articles published this last week:

1up: Why we play japanese games
Discuss the differences between wrpg and jrpg and their history.
http://www.1up.com/features/why-we-play-japanese-games

IGN: The Art Styles of Japanese & Western Games
A summary of the panel discussion at Comic Con hosted by Square-Enix.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/120/1200401p1.html

They are both very good reads.

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
9 years ago

You haven't completed Catherine! How could you start it and not finish it! Seriously, The story is so engaging, I could not put it down until I at least got gold on all of the stages.

Catherine could be the suprise hit of this gen. It has everything, an engaging story, a puzzle gameplay system which never gets frustrating (Even if you die a lot.), a great cast of characters with superb voice acting. A soundtrack with variations of classical themes. Even a co-op mode which seems a sin for this gen as all multiplayer HAS to be online. This game just gets everything right, I'll post my review on the forum later.


Last edited by Vivi_Gamer on 10/16/2011 6:48:18 AM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Well, I have other things to do. 🙂

Besides, it takes me a while to finish some of those puzzles; I'm not very good at it.