Not much going on this week but we did shoot our fourth PSXE show and the third is in the process of being approved. 🙂

Bioshock Infinite: Game of the Year 2012?

It's my second most wanted game behind Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception and every time I see it, I just get more excited. Did you see that amazing GTTV presentation ? I mean, holy sh** . I know a lot of people around here aren't super huge Bioshock fans but I am; I loved the first and I loved the second and to be honest, despite what many fans and critics say, I can't really place one above the other. They're a little different but they remain fantastic for various reasons; they always feel like the perfect combination of role-playing and first-person shooter. Now you know why I'm looking forward to Deus Ex: Human Revolution . 😉

Anyway, those 14 minutes of gameplay for Infinite gave me all-new respect for the developers at Irrational, because they're artistic geniuses over there. And can you believe what they're getting out of that Unreal Engine? Jeebus. For the sake of discussion, though, what might challenge this game for Game of the Year in 2012? Any ideas?

Don't pass on Limbo just 'cuz it came from the XBLA

Braid came across, too, and I think we're all glad it did. I still say the PSN has the best selection of downloadable exclusives as nothing tops Flower , echochrome , Joe Danger , Wipeout HD , Journey (just guessing at the last, but it's a safe guess), etc., but even so, Limbo looks great. I've been wanting to play it ever since it came out last year. The only reason I didn't is because I kept getting sidetracked with work and other games. But I'll have a review for this one when it arrives and I'm definitely hoping for an original, engaging adventure. I actually haven't played a downloadable title through to completion since Joe Danger and I'm sorta missing my mini-game fix. That's what I call downloadables, btw.

Oh, and while we're on the subject, can somebody get Hothead Games to make Joe Danger 2 . Please ?

Personal gaming update

I continue to savor inFamous 2 and I actually have a lot of fun with Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon . It's stupid and not very polished but somehow, it remains good fun and I find myself going back to play it every now and then. It's better with friends, though. As for titles on the horizon, the only one I see is Catherine , but I remain concerned that it'll fail miserably in this country . Bear in mind that I have my own reservations about the game but I sincerely hope it turns out well, and I further hope it's another Atlus hit. Remember 3D Dot Game Heroes ? They thought that one would sell like 25,000 copies in the US and it ended up selling over 300,000 or something like that.

For the upcoming PSXE Shows, I tackle subjects like Call of Duty (and why it's not the game's fault), the idea of reviewers being "bribed" by little gifts, the rising cost of game development, and oh yes, a look at my Final Fantasy collection and my thoughts on what Square Enix needs to do.

If you missed Episode #2, you can always catch it in the Home Community Theater. Right now, we're expecting Episode #3 to debut on July 21 but I'll let you know if the date changes. Don't worry; we'll have another party! 🙂

P.S. For all you guitar fans, I thought I'd turn you onto this blistering little piece by At Vance; check it out.

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Danny007
Danny007
9 years ago

Hmmm… Bioshock Infinite did have a very impressive demo on GTTV, no doubt, and it seems like very few big titles have been announced to release in 2012, so it could very well be a major contendor for GOTY. So the competition to compete with Bioshock Infinite in 2012 includes Mass Effect 3, possibly The Last(Lost) Guardian, and the rumored, GTA5. Plus, you have the yearly titles that will release such as AC3, maybe, and Treyarch's next COD game.

And, don't worry about me wanting to skip Limbo just because it came from XBLA. I've been wanting to play that game ever since I laid my eyes on it. Can't wait.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Bioshock Infinite is looking fantastic, and a worthy GotY contender for 2012. But what about Mass Effect 3 or The Last Guardian, or even Tomb Raider. Even Hitman is looking really promising. How about the possibility of QD's next game coming out? But oh, indeed. Every time I find another nugget of information for Infinite I get a little more excited.

Limbo D/L. Uh-huh.

Personal Update:
Almost finished on the Edgar Allan Poe collection, then I'll be going back to Jane Austen, probably Sense and Sensibility.
Kept going with my evil playthrough of iF2, I'm up to mission 30 now and seriously need to get the rest of those upgrades because they look AWESOME! FFIV is great for short play sessions. Seriously, pick it up, run around the map for 10-20 minutes grind a bit, do a bit of story and it's all good.
Peace.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Mass Effect 3 has a shot, Guardian will be too niche and while Tomb Raider and Hitman should be great I doubt they will be GOTY material.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Yeah, but LBP could have been too niche too. You're probably right on the other two though. Then again, as long as the quality is there, is doesn't necessarily need immense sales, and both of them will be aided in their attempt by the brand names.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I'm staying away from all Bioshock Infinite video and info because it IS my most anticipated game of 2012 and I don't want to ruin anything for myself unless I have to.

Right now I can't figure out what to play, I'm giving up on Two Worlds II forever, I've tried to play it too many times and the controls just keep ruining it for me. Yakuza 4 is okay but it isn't sucking me in. So I ordered Shadows of the Damned.

If anybody wants a piece of my collection thats for sale check me out on ebay at SpikeReloaded.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I think I've given up on Tomb Raider Underworld forever about 3x now.
I can't understand why I eventually go back to it, suspecting there's something about it I was supposed to like. Within 20min or so I realize the game is so screwed up I'll never play it again.

JDC80
JDC80
9 years ago

PGU: Well I finished "InFamous 2" and got the good ending..Finally in the home stretch of NHL 11 32 games left in the season and in NBA 2k11 I got 9 games left. Bad news part of the PGU I gotta send my PS3 and PSP in for repairs PSP(memory stick isn't showing up on the XMB) and PS3(won't insert games) bright side PSP is still under warranty and PS3 repairs is only 99 bucks(bright side people owe me enough money to pay for the repairs).

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

Cool, never heard of At Vance. His stuff reminds me of Ywngie Malmstein. Other good guitarists I've liked are Marty Friedman, Petruci, and Satriani. I used to lean guitar solos of Metallica's. It's one reason I could never get into Guitar Hero because I always felt I was wasting my time when I should just be reading actual tabs and practicing on my actual guitar. THe last song I was learning was Canon in D. I have about 1/4 of it down. I gotta work on mastering arpeggios. Getting a decent pitched artificial harmonic is hard enough as it is. Anyway, just haven't really devoted the time to it like I used to. I decided to get good at Tekken instead =p

Anyway, I'll probably have to snag Bioshock for $10 this week. I took a chance with assassins creed and it has become one of my fav franchises, so maybe Bioshock can do the same.

PGU: Just been doing Fallout 3, and also taken adrenaline intercessions with Vanquish.
Good stuff.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Give Bioshock an hour of your time and you'll be in love. Simple, yet brilliant. ACII proved too unwieldy for me.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

"At Vance" is awesome!

Some of their other great classical versions are "Flight of the Bumblebee", "Beethoven's 5th" & all "4 seasons of Vavaldi".

I also suggest listening to their version of Abba's "S.O.S", Tears For Fear's "Shout" & the "Logical Song" of SuperTramp fame, just to name a few.

Just YouTube "At Vance" for a ton of their songs


Last edited by BikerSaint on 7/9/2011 11:02:02 PM

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Attendance here is down for the drought, and has anyone else noticed the site has a problem? Sometimes it just loads and loads and loads and the comments never come up.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Nope… not had that problem. But yeah, the drought season sucks. Not a lot of news, and even fewer new games :/

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I'm good with less big game releases right now. Gives me plenty of time to catch up with the great games I've missed or haven't spent enough time with.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

I'm with you Temjin… or I would be if I could start to make a dent. :/ There's no reprieve for me, as I just never have enough time to get through one game.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

No issues like that for me World… not yet anyway!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Maybe it's just me then, but it isn't just my computer as I've tried a number of computers and browsers.

As far as the drought goes I'm fine, there has been almost too many must haves lately.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

World: I'd look into it if I could sense any issues on my end.

Fane1024
Fane1024
9 years ago

I've had that error, but then again I use the PS3 browser, so I expect constant errors.

Teddie9
Teddie9
9 years ago

I was never interested in the original bioshock even after the critical acclaim post release on 360 but in 08 when it was ported over and we made a trip to best buy and I had nothing to play I picked it up. I am in love with the franchise and bioshock infinite is currently my most anticipated game of 2012. That last demo we saw blew me away.

Hopefully Catherine is going to be a worthwhile experience because I wish to support Atlus and the Persona team. Deus Ex doesn't seem to be a D1P material atm for me but It's on my radar.

PGU: Enjoying Dungeon Seige 3 for what it is, a solid action rpg, also gets kudos for local co-op for main story so I can enjoy something with my younger cousin who is kept away from M games. I did enjoy some of the story even if it wasn't a very strong narrative it did give a few choices up to the player.


Last edited by Teddie9 on 7/9/2011 10:47:00 PM

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

By the looks and sounds of it, if you're any sort of fan of Bioshock, then Deus Ex should definitely be at the top of your list. If anything it has even more RPG elements than 2K's series, and a much more open story format as well. Then again… it's your prerogative.

Temjin001
Temjin001
9 years ago

I want to do Deus Ex for sure. Did you know that there is actually a connection between Bioshock and Dues Ex? Huh? what you say?
Yep, if anyone has looked into the history behind the minds behind games like Deus Ex, Bioshock/Sytem Shock, Thief, and even the Xbox itself, you'll find Warren Spector, Ken Levine, Seamus Blackley all worked together at one point in time on various PC projects of the past. Ken and Warren worked together on System Shock(essentially the foundation for Bioshock's play)They all splintered off to pursue their own ventures. Warren went on to head up Deus Ex. Ken Levine went on to do various projects and eventually Bioshock, and Seamus Blackley was one of the heads behind the original Xbox.
Crazy eh? So John Carmack, Peter Moleneaux, and Gabe Newell aren't the only PC devs who have done big things from their PC roots.

Underdog15
Underdog15
9 years ago

PGU: In vacation mode! I'll be traveling a bunch and even making a visit to the US of A! Have a family wedding in Iowa (on the opposite side from where I'll be coming from, so…. 17 hour drive for me.) I just bought a little 9 inch car travel tv with audio/video in, and a 3 way car adapter. In other words… I'm going to be in the back seat playing my ol' PSone! (The small white one) 8 family members going in big ol' van, so I don't have to drive too much of it.

Since I don't have access to PS3 really this vacation, I've been playing all PSP and PS1 games. I re-started Dragon Warrior 7, I'm at the end of FFIV (still haven't touched interlude or after years part yet), and on the road, since my wife will want the tv for movies once and a while, I'm also taking along the PSP release of FFT for another playthrough.

If I'm ever "online", it won't be me. It'll be my buddy house sitting. :p Tiny appartment. He'll have my house to himself. He hates party's and is extremely anti-social, so no parties. lol.

When I get back, I gameaccessed (Canada's version of Gamefly) Dungeon Siege 3 and will try some of that as well as continuing White Knight Chronicles.

All good fun!


Last edited by Underdog15 on 7/9/2011 10:53:16 PM

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Enjoy the holiday.

Warrior Poet
Warrior Poet
9 years ago

I'm loving that At Vance song. My shred fingers are tingling! Need to break out my Dean and try to play that tomorrow.

Hmm, I don't have Home and I sleep at incredibly strange hours. Is there any way I can watch the show after the fact?

Victor321
Victor321
9 years ago

Like Bioware, Irrational Games customized the UE3 engine to the point where it doesn't even resemble the actual engine; meaning UE3 is pretty Irrational Game's custom engine (like Bioware when they modified it for ME2, and ME3).

And speaking of the ME series, I can only think of ME3 to challenge Bioshock Infinite as GOTY, and that's not taking into account any games that might be announced in the future, or any games that we currently know of releasing in 2012 (such as FF XIII-2) that could possible wow critics and fans/gamers alike.

I'm also pretty sure you'll love Limbo Ben :), as like Flow and Flower, it's considered as a work of art by many critics and the industry alike.

And I look forward to your next show!

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

PGU: been kind of busy with school and everything else so I'm still playing FFIX and Infamous 2. Also recently bought the original Dead Space, which is awesome from the little I've played. It's pretty scary though. I've been testing myself to see if I can handle it at night, hehe. Also, my PS1 rpg collection is getting pretty big now. All I need is the time to play eveything. Such is life. =)

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Claire, probably best if you take it slow and sample each game like fine wine. At least you know the experience will last you some years, and every so often you can look forward to unwrapping another game and getting your teeth stuck into it…

Going slow is not such a bad thing.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Claire C
Claire C
9 years ago

I am actually going fairly slow. I've only been collecting PS1 games to hopefully play later on. I don't plan on playing them all at once. Besides, I've been working on FFIX and I2 for like a month now. 😉


Last edited by Claire C on 7/10/2011 12:50:29 AM

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

let's see, out of all the events of this week in gaming i consider sony's move to implement an online pass system is the biggest news. i just don't like it, and consider it's a very unfriendly way to treat consumers. i guess the days of being able lend out a game or taking it over to your friend's house and having access to all its features are coming to the end. i also wonder how far we are from being like pc games where essentially you have to pay for the game again if you buy it used. i don't think it's asking too much to able access all the advertised features of a game without having to use a code. i can think of a stockpile of arguments against, but not so many in favor. i also find it interesting that the biggest online game out there does not have to resort to this tactic.

pgu

i recently got re code veronica x at gamespot used and have been playing it on my ps3. i played it many years ago, but it was fun to go back and replay it. not a whole lot of hand holding going on in that game. no easy mode, scarce ammo supplies, and a couple of brutal sections. it's probably not 1 of the better re games, but it's by no means bad. i enjoyed it.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

The biggest online game out there hasn't resorted to this tactic. Not won't. Besides, if it were to be implemented, there would be even greater backlash against it. $1.4Billion dollars in revenue is simply an obscene amount. Also, you mention being able to take a game over to a friend's place?

The difference is, back in the day, there was no online segment. You went over to a mate's place to play co-op or to let them have a go at a great new game, not to go online with them. And to be honest, the games that do allow online splitscreen are few and far between. Sure, lending of a game may be out of the question, but you may be able to get around that if you sign onto their PS3 with your account (I don't know if that's possible, but it should be, by all accounts).
Peace.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

@lawless

maybe your idea of signing in might work. i still do not like the principle of an online pass system. it's not becuase i'm spoiled, or think developers don't deserve their fair share…i just don't like seeing a game segmented with stupid codes.

my first experience with a code went like hell. i bought me2, and was thrilled it came with all the dlc on the disc according to the box. bioware had been touting this as the defintive version of me2 since it came with all the dlc as bonus content on the disc. guess what? it had a 1 time code that you had to use to gain access to the bonus content locked away on the disc. ok, no problem becuase i bought it new. guess what happened? the cerebus network was down for the first 4 days so i couldn't even download the cerebus pack(interactive comic and some bonus weapons). once i was able to redeem the code i had to restart my game if i wanted to play any of the dlc since the code unlocked the dlc. what really ticked me off was i had to find this out the hard way after many hrs of gameplay. ea essentially had an online pass on a single player game, becuase if you don't have that code you are not playing the bonus content already on the disc. you have to go to ps store and buy the cerebus pack for $10. this a great example of a publisher locking out a significant portion of a sp game with one time codes.

i know that's a rare example and isn't the same thing sony is doing, however, ea started with an online pass sytem that somehow made its way into a sp player game. i just don't like seeiing parts of games locked out by codes.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

That's bloody stupid. If it impacts the SP like that, then I'll get good and well riled up for sure. If it's advertised to be the entire package *in SP*, then it should remain that way. If it's advertised that the Pass will affect the SP in some way, then it's a tad more forgivable, but it still shouldn't happen. All I can say is that that information just made it a damn sight easier for me to ignore ME2 going forward.

Qubex
Qubex
9 years ago

Honestly, taking what World was saying earlier, I haven't ever gotten into any of the Bioshock games yet, however, considering what the latest Bioshock is serving up, it could be a very interesting romp indeed and worthy of a try

I am hoping visually the PS3 version will really have all the aces. We know it can do it and if the developers are using a new engine that actually makes use of the PS3's strengths, then we could be in for something special.

Let's hope those darn shadow anomalies do not show up with their blocky nastiness…

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"


Last edited by Qubex on 7/10/2011 12:28:38 AM

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

The original Bioshock included, PSMove functionality as well as possible Vita cross-connectivity? Even if the Irrational does have issues getting Unreal 3.X working on the PS3, I'd say we have a slight edge.

Excelsior1
Excelsior1
9 years ago

@qubex

yes, i hope those nasty shadows are resolved. those 1/4 resolution alpha textures in the ps3 version really stand out like a sore thumb. i hope they get that cleaned up.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

PGU – Played some White Knight, and some HotShots gold. I ordered Vanguish from Amazon, so hopefully that will keep me busy for a while.

This week, I have become very annoyed by something I am seeing going on both in our own gaming community here, but in gaming in general. The train of thought was perhaps started by Ben's editorial this week about whether reviewers were killing JRPGs. As it happens I think they are, I don't know if they mean to, I think some do, but I think it's just a product of games being reviewed by people with no knowledge of the genre at all.

However that has led to a lot of discussions here in other threads and I have come to a conclusion. I don't think Japanese publishers should release their games here at all because I don't think that western gamers in general deserve them. The discussion in particular here at this site was with respect to Aterlier Rorona, but it could equally have been about any of dozens of other games or anime series. What I am finding is that there are a huge number of people unable to look past simple innuendo or suggestion, or even a provocatively drawn character. Take Rorona for example. That game is a simple, sweet and fun turn based JRPG with an art style heavily influenced by anime, and which focuses on the synthesis system in the game. There is bawdy humor and innuendo, and that is about it. No nudity, no sex, nothing. The game's main character was listed as 17 here in the West and 14 in Japan, which is a reflection of the societal expectations of various ages. However because the game is anime styled, the main character is in her teens (17 in the western version) and the game features bawdy and suggestive humor, apparently some think that it's far, far, far more than it actually is.

There in lies the problem that is annoying me and why I think that we don't deserve these games any more. Why do we have to take the worst possible interpretation of something and adopt it as fact when it comes to a game or anime from Japan? That is what is increasingly happening. Not only that but once that happens, the next logical step is to decide that anyone enjoying such entertainment is somehow deviant.

If there was something in these things to be concerned about, then perhaps I could see the point, but there is not. It really pisses me off when people do this. It betrays their own ignorance and intolerance more than anything else. I've already talked of Rorona, but I could easily have mentioned other games and any number of Anime shows. What I find funny is that my wife watches a lot of Anime. She doesn't like the action based ones and has been watching a lot of harem/romance/slice of life comedies. Characters in these are typically in the last year or two at high school which places them in their mid to late teens. There is no sex, very little violence and a lot of teen angst and humor. There is a crap ton of fan service, but in the end, that's about it. Yet the typical reaction of people who do *not* watch these shows is to call anyone who does names like pervert – and much much worse. The thing is, such accusations are based on ignorance and cultural bias, not fact. Yet they get repeated often enough, and they become fact.

So, I come to the end of this thought. I don't think that we deserve their games or anime because I think that our society is simply not able to enjoy things without having to apply some hidden agenda of sexual deviance. I'm so sick and tired of people raging on JRPGs over various standard anime story and character archetypes. I'm tired of people seeing a character with boobs in a game or anime and then running away screaming about 12-year old characters with huge boobs and calling everyone perverts for watching it.

To all those who are in a position of ignorance on anime and jrpg and other pop culture from Japan, you can shove it. I don't want to hear it. Keep your ignorance and cultural chauvinism to yourselves.

</rant>

FM23
FM23
9 years ago

Whoa…well written. Personally and from experience, I have never viewed anime as perverted…more or less just overdramatic, corny, and over the top. And around my way, most of the people who watch anime turn out to be socially awkward in either very small or very big ways. Is this a bad thing? Hell No as I accept everyone, but I notice it.

But those who consider it perverted are the same annoying who don't take the time to understand others and other forms of art…so I am with you.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Huge boobs should be appreciated in all forms.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Well said. It is disconcerting to see the way that people react to even the slightest hint of suggestive behaviour or implication, and it is only made all the worse when it comes to products from the Asian markets, perhaps because of some kind of clutural dislike. I think that it may have something to do with a generalised fear of sex and sexualism on the part of the general public of the Western markets, or rather our media and critics. One can find sexual references in even the most innocent of media, if one is willing to dig deep enough.

You mention an irritation with people regarding the most veiled of suggestion to children in regards to paedophilia. That is something that I disagree with you on. I agree that it is irritating, but my irritation stems from a double standard. Whenever I head into the city, I look around at the crowds, and I see children that are easily as young as eight dressed in the most vulgar of outfits, that it disgusts me to see even "young women" aged 18-21 wearing. I'm not sure whether it is the result of society at large, or the media, but you see kids being displayed as sex objects, but there is all of a sudden an uproar when the same sentiment is applied to video games or anime. It's crap.

I think that people need to realise this double standard, and realise that they are the ones furthering the decreasing age of sexual introduction. If that double standard is eliminated, then I'll be able to sympathise with people that rail against anime/games, but until that point they can go f*** themselves.

That being said, I do agree on many people not being deserving of such media because of their bias and bigotry, but to say that they shouldn't be localised because of them is wrong also. There are people that can see things clearly and avoid that double standard, so those things should be brought over for such people. If only there was a way to give licenses for open-mindedness, intelligence and morality… The world would be a better place methinks.
Peace.

P.S. Apologies if this is largely nonsensical. It was more stream of consciousness than a well-thought out argument.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Lawless, on the subject of young kids being sexualized in our society. I completely agree with you, there is such a double standard it almost gives me whiplash thinking about it.

There are beauty pageants for young girls little more than toddlers where they are paraded up and down a stage for the inspection of the 'judges' and yes, they have the bathing suit, the evening dress and the talent. These pageants continue through the entire age range into young women in their late teens and early 20's. Every where you go you will see young girls wearing the most ridiculous outfits that really and truly are not appropriate for children. You see them for sale everywhere, not just the fashion stores, but the mainstream ones too.

Yet, despite all of this, let a cartoon come along with a teen character in their mid to late teens who has big boobs and a bubbly personality and talks about the stuff that matters to a typical mid/late teen girl and suddenly it's completely beyond the pale. Huh? Seriously I've had it with this sort of garbage. OK, I'll agree with you I don't want to see these games, anime and other things disappear either, but people with the attitude I'm talking about, and they seem to be the vast majority, simply don't deserve the option.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 7/10/2011 3:17:56 AM

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

I should have added to my reply to lawless. I agree about the double standard, your thought "You mention an irritation with people regarding the most veiled of suggestion to children in regards to paedophilia." Believe me when I say I am not, and would never defend anything to do with that horrible criminal action.

But then, in a sense that is part of the problem I see. People who rail against games and anime do not do it because of the actual content, they do it because of the expected content. That is they expect what they object to to be there because they believe it to be so. I mean, OK, there is plenty of far more adult and objectionable material out there. All one has to do is look at manga sites or search for a character image and you'll find stuff you'll wish you hadn't. Truly there are some sick minds in the world. But that's not the stuff we're talking about here.

The problem is that if you put a youthful character with a large bust in a short skirt, there is a huge number of people who immediately think it's Hentai or worse. However, like you I sense a double standard there too, if you watch TV aimed at kids aged 10-15, you'll see a great deal of young ladies running around in less clothing that any parent would like to see and throwing around innuendo frequently. There are shows aimed at mid/late teens that feature very grown up situations and language. I wonder what would happen if these shows were animated and presented in Japanese with English subtitles?


Last edited by TheHighlander on 7/10/2011 3:41:53 AM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Excellent post, Highlander, but I do have a question-

This same sort of anime and innuendo has been coming from Japan since the days of the first PlayStation. Both critics and gamers didn't seem to focus on it too heavily then; in fact, it was flat-out ignored in most reviews, as well it should be unless it actually impacts the game's overall quality.

Was that because in those days, it was really only Japanese developers that produced great games? And hence, they were given the benefit of the doubt? And now that critics take games more seriously and are more "grown up," they're faster to point out such traits?

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

An excellent question Ben, I think that there are a number of factors, but I don't really understand the root of it. I think that as time has progresses and console gaming has gone truly mainstream we are seeing the clash of mainstream western culture with the various niche genre that were always niche genre. It was just that they were bigger fish in a smaller pond. But gaming has grown so much now that what was once a large niche has become a small one. Reviewers reflect the mainstream attitudes.

The problem I have with the idea that somehow critics have to be more attentive to such things because games are grown up and serious now is that the objections are targeted in such a way that it's not so much the colorful, bright, silly, fun aspect of the game that is being attacked it's the innuendo. Yet when we look at other games, Western games, and as some perhaps would put it, grown up games, what do we see? GTA – the infamous sex scene, God of War – more digital sex, Duke Nukem get's a blow job, and so on, and that doesn't even begin to cover the use of language or violence in these supposedly grown up games.

To me those are not grown up, they are extremely immature, and not at all grown up. They don't deal with issues or deep thinking. Heavy Rain – yes, that is a grown up game GTA? No. Both rated M, both lauded by critics, but one of them is grown up and the other is an immature assembly of violence, swearing, sex and all the attitude that goes with it. Reviewers lap those up. There is the double standard. It's OK for this game, but not that game.

I don't think it's this aspect of games growing up, or modernizing at all. I think it's a lot of cultural chauvinism and double standards – among other things. When gaming was younger, these games were to an extent the only game in town, they were better than the average, and people loved them. Over time other games and gamers have joined the context. Now reviews and reviewers are in an environment where even a very good JRPG is not longer a stand out game because there are a lot of other good games. A lot of those games are built by western developers. You might think that would lead to less cultural chauvinism, but it doesn't. It's almost like a safety in numbers thing where it's safe to criticize Anime or JRPGs now, but wasn't before. It's OK now because they're not special anymore and because we have an army of gamers who don't care for them at all.

It's almost fashionable to look down on these things among many. It's like being at school when it was OK to pick on the smart kids, or how it's apparently OK to insult fat people because they're not a specific race or ethnicity. It's apparently OK to pour scorn on Japanese Pop Culture, and those that enjoy it.. It's socially acceptable, but the pop culture is not.


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Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

In many cases, I really think it's a critic going, "this game isn't as good as it should be, so I have to find more flaws to warrant the low score I'm going to give it."

It's almost as if many reviewers for major sites have already concluded, well before they even play a JRPG, that it won't get higher than an 8. An 8 would mean it's almost perfect. As you say, many Japanese games – not just JRPGs – just aren't kings of the hill, anymore; many Western titles outstrip them in terms of achievement. And it's also stuck in the reviewer's head that because they don't "change," that should also be chastised.

And hey, it's easy to attack the culture gap and label traits that arise due to this gap as "flaws." It further "verifies" that mediocre score they've already resolved to give the game.


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TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Indeed Ben. It not only "verifies" the mediocre score, but too many times recently, the reviewer has taken things further, ultimately vilifying those that like the game (or anime).


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FM23
FM23
9 years ago

I'm a big Bioshock fan,. I own both 1 and 2 so I'm definitely excited for Infinite. But I'm more excited for Mass Effect 3 which I hope turns out to be a classic like ME2. ME3 may be the only game that takes the crown from Bioshock, but if Infinite turns out to be as original as Bioshock 1, Infinite might just have enough umpphhh to knock ME3 down a peg. Besides ME3, I can't think of any other game worth mentioning.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I love roller coasters so I can't wait to ride those rails. Too bad it isn't in 3D and comes with a free 3D TV.

___________
___________
9 years ago

im convinced bioshock infinite will be GOTY 2012.
tomb raider looks good, but it does not have the story and atmosphere, the believable world of bioshock.
ME3 looks f*cking fantastic, has the believable world and atmosphere of bioshock, but it does not have the gameplay and set pieces bioshock is famous for.
thats the only thing i hated with ME2, the combat is so simplistic and boring!
everything else in the game is so advanced and perfectly crafted, the combat just feels like it was torn out of a totally different game!
does not fit at all!
TLG looks amazing, but it wont have the atmosphere, characters and believable world of bioshock.
hard to say really, i mean its been in development for 6 f*cking years and we know so little about it!
sony Japan sure love taking there sweet time!
its great that there confident to spend all the time in the world perfecting it, but come on we need some info!!!!!!!
speaking of TLG it looks like it will be having move support, for some reason its on the SCEA website of move compat games.
maybe thats why it got delayed……. AGAIN!
only game that can give bioshock a run for its money is ME3, it has everything bioshock has but one, the combat.
if they make it as deep and well thought out as everything else, then maybe it will give it a run for its money.
but i cant see that happening, the gameplay in bioshock has always been so much fun, and this is going to be even better!
kens just one of those guys that are just not human.
like david, and john, everything they touch turns to gold!!!!!

i really enjoyed the trial version of limbo so i ended up downloading the whole thing, and was so disappointed.
every level is a repeat of the last, i mean come on it gets seriously boring playing the same sh*t over and over again!
as ive said a million times splosion man, shadow complex, super meat boy, illomilo, hell even TR guardian of light was better then limbo!

ive spent the last week playing with my wii, and ive had more fun with that then i have had with my ps3 and 360 in years!
so great to get away from this stupid tech demo BS, and actually play a game thats FUN!
thats whats really worrying me with the wiiU.
there going HD now, so will they suffer the fate the ps3 and 360 suffered?
i hope not, we need something to still hold its innocence!
will be a sad, sad day when ninty looses that spark, that fun factor which always made them stand out from the crowd.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
9 years ago

Perhaps it's the choice of game on the PS3/360 that is creating the problem for you. My whole family games on PS3 and there is plenty of innocent fun going around on that platform.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Apparently they're tuning the combat in ME3 so that it is more in the vein of a standard TPS. Not sure if that's what you're after, but it's what you're getting.