Duke Nukem Forever was a mess. A travesty. But I've decided that Duke doesn't deserve to go out like this and after hearing Kamiya volunteer for the Devil May Cry reboot , I got to thinking…

Who can resurrect Duke? Who can raise him from the TKO he just suffered? If anyone can do it, it's Killzone developer Guerrilla. They could add that intensity and brutality we love in the KZ franchise and no, I'm not recommending a complete change in style for the Duke. The brawny, sunglasses-wearing hero is all about lewd, crude, over-the-top cockiness. And we can keep that, but I still think if we're going all out, we should add some blood and gore. Keep the strippers and the cheesiness; just add in some of that patented Guerrilla flair.

Of course, other competent FPS developers could give Duke his just due. DICE and Infinity Ward come to mind, as does Insomniac. I only list the latter because their experience with the Ratchet & Clank series means they're familiar with the term "lighthearted," and they could create a brutal yet comical Duke title. Does anyone else have any bright ideas? And don't say Valve unless you add the caveat that they make a new engine for the game; if they use that archaic Source engine, Duke will just remain mired in the past.

I'm still miffed at the whole DNF fiasco. I was willing to tolerate so much, but that was just…horrid.

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556pineapple
556pineapple
9 years ago

Provided with the new engine you speak of, I actually believe Valve could do a great job with it. Just look at Team Fortress 2. Gory yet lighthearted. Also, very, very fun. That's one game I really like to play online because it's just not meant to be taken seriously, like a lot of people treat CoD. Going for that style, I think they could give Duke the treatment he deserves.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
9 years ago

I don't think so… TF is silly and lighthearted like you said. Duke is not. Duke is funny but it is not a *lighthearted* funny. More like a dark creepy evil perverted funny. I don't think anything valve did comes alongside the same thinking wavelength as Duke Nukem.

Last thing I want to see is the Duke going soft.

manofchao5
manofchao5
9 years ago

guerilla, dice or insomniac is good or even them altogether would make a great game, but if infinity touches it and turns it into mass produced shit, i would have a stroke and then sue them for it

gray_eagle
gray_eagle
9 years ago

my fav dev, R*, or maby SuckerPunch.
i've never played a Duke Nukem game or tried DNF. just going by what i read here at psx, imo, DNF was a slap in the face to Duke fans.

SayWord
SayWord
9 years ago

I'm a duke fan and I really enjoy duke nukem forever!

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

As am I SayWord. It's nowhere near as bad as the media says it is. Even Metacritic says so as currently there is 68 more positive reviews then there are negative across all versions of the game.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Why not Digital Extremes, or Starbreeze? The Darkness devs, I think could do justice on the violence, and the creativity they displayed with the tentacles… It could work. The thing is, anyone can do that vulgar humour, but working in old-school gameplay is something that no-one likes to do anymore. It does depend on the route that one wants to take as some developers are just more apt to work in certain ways.

Why not whoever did the Matt Hazard games, or People Can Fly? Give it to Remedy to give us a third-person Duke. They did well with Max Payne. Why not Vatra after they're done with SH: Downpour. Branch out their reach a little bit?
Peace.

Neo_Aeon666
Neo_Aeon666
9 years ago

Yeah those people from the Darkness might cut it. But I think gearbox is pretty good too. I really am enjoying the current new Duke. They only need to work on the graphics and load times. But I don't want them to make it any easier. The game is not broken and plays well. The monster truck drives pretty much like how you drive in GTA4 seriously.

NoSmokingBandit
NoSmokingBandit
9 years ago

I'm sure Gearbox could make a good Duke game if they started from scratch. I had absolutely no expectations for DNF. No matter how talented the dev, its tough to work on a project that old. Gearbox just wanted to get the game out, and i understand that, but they could have made a great DN by scrapping everything and starting with a blank canvas.

SayWord
SayWord
9 years ago

If 2K do indeed have the rights to the duke nukem franchise as of now I'm sure gearbox could pull it off. The whole game was made by 3D realms. Love to see what gearbox could do.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

I said in Ben's "Platinum ready for DMC" article that Epic Games and People Can Fly would be best for Duke.

With Bulletstorm, they nailed the cockiness, over-the-top action and humour you'd see back in the day of Duke at his finest, and the game mechanics were pretty awesome too.

If you loved Duke back in the 90's, check out Bulletstorm, then tell me if I'm right or wrong in suggesting Epic and PCF should develop the next Duke game.

Lotusflow3r
Lotusflow3r
9 years ago

Very wrong. Bulletstorm is inspired by Duke, but a lot different too.

mastiffchild
mastiffchild
9 years ago

Bulletstorm was a massive let down for PCF and not even in the same league as Painkiller while if DNF proved anything it's that he just doesn't WORK today and certainly not in gaming where storytelling is in it's stone ages and lacks anyone with the talent to do Duke subtly enough for today.

Along with the game play giving nothing to today's shooter OR Duke's memory I just felt DNF was a bit of a waste and was better left a massive joke which would have actually made a reinvention a better bet with JUST the rights rather than staying hamstrung with 3DR's messes and trying to fix clearly outdated level and character designs.

I WAS a DN an in the day but the day passed and PCF just moved DOWN the talent pole rather than up it and you'd first need a writer as good as Salinger to properly reinvent DN and that's without even thinking about differentiating the gameplay in today's shooter soaked market. Is there even ROOM for a better DN let alone the one we know and used to love?

It's a big, expensive job and I don't think there's enough money to be made in bothering.

Pandacastro
Pandacastro
9 years ago

Do 3D realms still make games? Can they bring the other Duke games on psn?

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
9 years ago

They're still around, but after laying off all it's development staff in 2009, & with only about 35 employees now, they're nothing more than a shell of their former selves & have nothing in the can now to work on.

BTW, Gearbox bought the Duke Nukem franchise, so unless Gearbox want's 3D Realm's advice or help, then I doubt 3DR can do anything more that's Duke related.


Last edited by BikerSaint on 6/17/2011 10:32:38 PM

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

Nope, they're shut down.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
9 years ago

I stand corrected. Saint is correct here. They are apparently reduced to publisher status.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I think Gearbox and 2K can do it easy provided they start from the ground up. I know expectations for Duke were high but let's not forget not all of Duke's games were great back in the day either.

I only hope DNF has the curiosity sales and fan sales enough to warrant them working on an all new venture that does exactly what everyone wanted from Duke. I maintain that there IS a way to bring him into this more serious age of gaming and still have him be awesome. We just need someone to do it, rather than polish up an old turd.

That said, I'm still having fun with aspects of DNF, it does have things that are just missing these days in your basic on-rails military shooters and such.

mackid1993
mackid1993
9 years ago

DICE is definitely a good pick. They have put out lighthearted games in the past. Also, Starbreeze comes to mind as well as Raven.

PorkChopGamer
PorkChopGamer
9 years ago

Starbreeze. Excellent choice.

cLoudou
cLoudou
9 years ago

Valve, Insomniac or Gearbox.


Last edited by cLoudou on 6/17/2011 10:24:51 PM

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

Not Valve. Not the kind of studio suitable for Duke. Too classy yet old-school in a Half Life sense.

If Gearbox were to start from the ground up and bring Duke into the PS3 generation, then we might have something awesome.

hellish_devil
hellish_devil
9 years ago

Or 3D Realms can resurrect and do it as they did DNF, just release it before it seems outdated.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Not Valve, they would take another 12 years to make one.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Then the PS3 haters in the gaming "media" would just say the story sucks.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
9 years ago

I think Duke should just be laid to rest. Or come out as an arcade download like Serious Sam has now.

Duke is a throwback to 80's and early 90's stereotypes, which kids these days would not get.

I think it's time to bury the Duke or give him PSN and Live space with a quieter celebration of his comeback. This DNF review fiasco has almost become unbearable!!! Such high hopes for a fun game, even if it was archaic.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

I disagree, satire is always relevant. If it stayed with the Duke 3D formula and hadn't gone on to be overly focused on the environmental aspects (which would have been a cool innovation in 1998) a refocus on all out action and what's happening today could make him great. The few references to Dead Space and Halo are hilarious, but there's got to be a more sustained rip against today's cultural norms and popular media. Pig Cops just aren't funny any more ya know? But plenty of other stuff is.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 6/17/2011 11:13:03 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

"kids" probably shouldn't be playing Duke Nukem anyway.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Or cod for that matter Jawknee, melts the brain.

Jawknee
Jawknee
9 years ago

Indeed.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

You would be surprised what kids can catch on, that you think they wouldn't. And yes they shouldn't be playing it as well what Jawk said.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
9 years ago

Putting the high-res version of Duke 3D on PSN would make me very happy.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Me too.

Clamedeus
Clamedeus
9 years ago

Me 3.

CrusaderForever
CrusaderForever
9 years ago

I agree Ben, I was talking about this in the review comments. I saw Starbreeze up above and thought that was a good ideas as well. Starbreeze took Riddick and stunned the gaming community! I have Dark Athena with Butcher Bay for the PS3 and they are great! This is not the end of Duke. Now more than ever there will be another Duke because any gamer/dev who loves Duke wants to do him justice.

Palpatations911
Palpatations911
9 years ago

Ben,

You're kinda saying the same thing about duke that I was saying about dungeon siege 3… The game hasn't really evolved much over the past decade, just like dungeon siege 3. I'm not going to sit here and call you butthurt over it like you did about me, but there is some irony in your article which I didn't bother reading because of your comment to me which I found quite rude. I think the title summarizes the entire article


Last edited by Palpatations911 on 6/18/2011 12:02:19 AM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Terrible comparison.

DNF was a broken game. It actually kept the attitude of Duke – as I said in my review, if you had actually read it – so that was hardly the problem. It wasn't changed in any way.

You were just annoyed that DSIII wasn't anything like past DS games and came up with trivial reasons to hate it. …I fail to see the similarity.

If you actually read articles before commenting, maybe you would make actual points.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/18/2011 1:10:11 AM

Ultimateps3king
Ultimateps3king
9 years ago

Is warhawk still working and if it is I have all the maps and everything but there not on my game for some reason

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
9 years ago

There are different rooms in the server list. Some do have all the maps available some don't. You need to read the room's descriptions on the side.

Milonakis
Milonakis
9 years ago

Running with scissors is an excellent developer and has a lot of experience with comedy in their games AKA Postal 2. They could make a lighthearted yet still fantastic game. Still looking forward to postal 3 though.

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
9 years ago

Do you work as a mail-man in that game? LOL

Geobaldi
Geobaldi
9 years ago

Postal 2 was bad but not quite as bad as the original. Postal 3 looks terrible too. And don't get me started on the sorry excuse of a movie that Uwe Boll made based on the series.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
9 years ago

Killzone's Rico anyone?

If they can capture that kind of acting in Duke Nukem style they have me sold.

Not a big FPS fan but even I liked some of the over the top DN flair. It was all about fun and blowing stuff up.

Guerilla has the graphics down, they can do a well scripted story, taking you through a coherent scene to another, and giving you a COMPLETE gameplay experience. Really some of the best display of what an FPS should be like.

Only problem is it being multiplat.

Nonetheless as long as Duke gets a just "next-gen" chance again we'll accept whoever it is. I don't think he'd fail twice.

lateralus27
lateralus27
9 years ago

My bright idea is to agree with Ben.The KZ2/3 engine is grand and the thought of Duke on it makes me dizzy.I don't have a 360 so I don't care if it's a PS exclusive.

Ludicrous_Liam
Ludicrous_Liam
9 years ago

I have a hard time believing a top developer would pick up a now-dead franchise; let alone Gurellia. Can you imagine the sales? They'd be poor indeed. I never played Duke so I don't see the reason behind ressurecting him ūüėõ

___________
___________
9 years ago

no offense but thats the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard!
GG would be the WORST devs for this series!
1 all they care about is graphics.
2 the graphics are so dark and gloomy so little color, dukes quite the opposite completley different tone!
3 there so serious, everything has to be realistic!
4 there again so heffed up on realism allot of dukes traits would go out the window!
amazing cool weapons, holowduke, and the ability to carry as many weapons as you want for example.
5 duke needs a chalky cheesy story, GG cant even do a normal war story, let alone a creative humorous cheesy story!
6 there games are always so short and linear again going against the series grain.
id much rather gearbox keep duke and give us another one then GG!
in fact i cant think of a worse developer to give the series to!

Lotusflow3r
Lotusflow3r
9 years ago

Is this a joke?

That is one of the most laughable things i have ever read here.

GG delivered another technically brilliant, but yet another military, generic shooter…the thing Duke opposes in theme. Its the exact opposite of Duke and Duke set out to antidote those kinds of games from us.

This is getting destroyed by people over at Gearbox site by people who like DNF and don't. I don't think i should link again lol.

People, even here, are enjoying DNF…they're confused at the reviews…why? Here's your answer…

This video is the definitive video/review on DNF. The best i have seen on the game and one that actually knows what he's talking about. http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=Th2z0xT-X5s&feature=player_embedded#at=1535

MUST WATCH.

It even got Jon St Jon (voice of Duke) to comment on it!

This guys got balls of steel. Calls all out for talking crap on this game and challenges them aswell as giving the most fair look at the game too.

Another site posted that DNF highlighted all the crap talking reviewers of the industry that either unjustifiably marked it too high, or too low and posted all the names never to be trusted again….PSXE was listed lol I found that funny.

In response to this joke, IF DNF was a bad game and a failure, the most perfect studio to develop a Duke would be Gearbox…you know, considering they have many decade old ex 3D Realms staff on the team and Randy actually developed the Atomic Edition of DN3D….not to mention that Gearbox have developed Borderlands, a heavy hitting, crude, Duke inspired arse kicker…AND now Furious 4, another Duke inspired game with balls.

Anyway….My review is coming along nicely.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

Oh yes, Borderlands and Duke are…so very similar in terms of theme and style. 'rolls eyes' And of course, Guerrilla can't make an FPS, but Gearbox can. Sure. Makes perfect sense.

Yes, a bunch of right-minded unbiased people at the Gearbox forums. Praise to high heaven when I say we shouldn't take Duke so seriously, but when reality hits, they can't handle it. Of course, the fact that I'm a big Duke fan, that I wanted DNF to be better more than ANYONE; that fact is tossed by the wayside because it doesn't fit in with their bashing agenda. I'm a fan but I hate it, so I don't count. …and you APPLAUD these people? Has the "against the grain" trend you follow to a huge fault finally blinded you?

By the way, considering that just about every major source on earth gave DNF a score like mine or lower, none of them are ever to be "trusted" again. GameSpot gave it a 3. Guess they're out, too. …but hey, what do we know? We're just stupid critics. We just don't "get it." It's "the people" who are the gaming geniuses, as always.

…wait, let me roll my eyes again.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/18/2011 10:50:24 AM

Lotusflow3r
Lotusflow3r
9 years ago

Ha!

Yes, Borderlands is similar….Duke was also one of Randy's inspirations for it and wanted "the Duke tone". Care to argue with him? Your arrogance is getting a bit silly Ben. This "write up" is hilarious and ill informed.

At the Gearbox forums, people are FAR from bias, people are split right down the middle on Duke…however, they are educated enough on it to know what's venom and stupid, the latter being this editorial. Only some prased your Why So Serious write up…as i said, split. This editorial is all around slammed and laughed at.

You say you're Duke fan and post this? Didnt you also say that DNF should be a total run and gunner like it's predecessor? Something it's predecessor is not?

I could argue you easily as long as you like, Benjamin, but i could just link you this, your own editorial, each time and be done with it. You really surprised me with this one….and it's funny you chose a PS3 exclusive aswell…is this to impress the people at the PSblog again? I don't know.

Anyway, the video posted says it all and answers you for me about why we call stupidity on such "reviews".

I also wouldn't refer to you as a critic, i came to this site to see a more laid back approach to giving opinion on games….that's how i see it here….and that's all good btw.

Also, who here said GG can't make an FPS? the stupidity is that they could never do Duke…im still laughing.


Last edited by Lotusflow3r on 6/18/2011 11:04:42 AM

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
9 years ago

My friend, the game is bad. You can all scream and cry about it, and pin blame on critics, and desperately try to point out that Duke is still Duke and that's all that matters…you can do all that.

The game is bad. It's so painful, everyone sees it. My mother would know it's bad.

And I really don't give a rat's ass what Randy said; find me ONE person who will sit down, play Borderlands, and then play DNF and go, "oh yeah, I see the resemblance." But seriously, believe what you will.

Write up your review, ignoring 99% of everything that's bad and trying to find justification where there isn't any. You were predisposed to liking the game from the get-go. There's no chance you wouldn't have liked it. Those are the ONLY people who think DNF is worth playing: those who went in with that mentality. Will you at least admit that it wouldn't have mattered how the game turned out? You HAVE to admit it; the game is awful and you're on your self-righteous horse again.

I'm a fan. But I was a fan who was able to see it for what it was: a colossal failure. Don't worry, it was hard for me to accept, too.

And by the way, if you wish to continue insulting me by calling me "stupid," I would suggest not posting again. I don't appreciate that from someone who is so absurdly predictable, he obviously never has an original thought in his head.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/18/2011 11:10:42 AM