Sony and Microsoft are attempting to appeal to about the same age group, but Sony fans will often say older, more mature gamers own the PS3. To back up their point, they will reference the PlayStation Network in comparison to Xbox Live; they'll say the latter has a far greater number of younger gamers and even kids. You will get this on the PSN, of course, but for the most part, you just run into more normal, relatively civil adults. At least, that's the claim.

But perhaps there's a better indicator of maturity for the PlayStation 3. Maybe a better way to gauge maturity is to check software sales numbers; what do people play most on that platform? In my opinion, the best indicator at this time is the success of Quantic Dream's Heavy Rain , which is now expected to exceed 2 million units sold . Originally, Sony wasn't overly confident and didn't predict anywhere near that number and while we can always attribute better sales to high review scores, this sales success does appear to be a solid sign of maturity. To prove it, there's one very specific question we should ask ourselves in regards to the competition: would it have sold as many copies as a 360 exclusive?

The difficulty in this is that the 360 doesn't really have anything like Heavy Rain but perhaps we can mention Alan Wake . I'm playing it right now and unsurprisingly, I really like it a lot; this is my cup of tea. I'm partial to anything when it's clear the designers put a ton of effort into the storyline, atmosphere and overall presentation. Above all else, I believe such factors are the "maturity indicators" of the industry. It may not be similar in regards to gameplay but in terms of targeted audience, I can certainly imagine Heavy Rain fans enjoying Alan Wake . …and yet, the sales numbers for the latter aren't where they should be. Developer Remedy said the game "has the legs" to push forward, but with only 145,000 copies in the first month , it wasn't looking good.

Granted, the game didn't score quite as high as Heavy Rain , but at about 84% (according to GameRankings), plus the information that it was relatively unique and more cerebral than most titles, one would hope it could've sold more. So, the reverse question would be, might Alan Wake have sold more as a PS3 exclusive? Would it indeed be true to say the PS3 audience is simply more mature on the average? Or, if not "older," perhaps just…more intelligent? Thing is, Quantic Dream is ecstatic and always says how happy they are with their partnership with Sony. If Remedy, or another developer, wanted to make something "cerebral," and they had a choice of platform, would they be better advised to make it for the PS3? The PS3 certainly has more potential to begin with, but that's not my question.

And I'm not answering the question either way. I honestly don't know. Remedy says their game is "a breath of fresh air" (and I agree, especially in regards to the Xbox 360 library) and aren't ruling out a sequel, which I definitely appreciate. So they're willing to stick with it. But Quantic Dream – and other innovative developers like thatgamecompany ( Flow , Flower , Journey ) – always seem to make one thing clear during interviews: they always say such-and-such project couldn't have been done without Sony's willingness to embrace fresh, creative ideas. So, here's the last question: is Sony willing to do this because they believe the PS3 has the most mature gaming audience of all three consoles?

Or, you could always introduce the hardcore/casual argument, but I'd rather not open up that can of worms.

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LegendaryWolfeh
LegendaryWolfeh
10 years ago

Well, the average gamer is in their mid 30's, no? Least that's what I thought was the average statistic people use. Thing is, when it comes to the PS3, it just seems to be more mature in general, with the fact that it's someone who obviously knows what the console is capable of and are more attentive to what they play and or want to play. And other than that, make a great game (which pretty much almost all ps3 exclusives are) and you'll be rewarded for it on Sony's console of creative IP's.

Killa Tequilla
Killa Tequilla
10 years ago

Unlike a lot of people -_- I use a mic while playing a game. When I have conversations with people I ask them their age. They always say 15-17. Exept Socom U.S Navy SEALs Confrontation, they really are people in the mid 30's. And it's funny because there " Teenage " Comes out in them when I start fighting with them saying they suck and your momma jokes. They reply with the most childish things & I can confirm ( from your previous article ) that gaming effects peoples lifestyle of all ages. Even people in their mid 30's. Unlike me I like to play games for fun & a bit of competiton. Don't get me wrong I like POWNING&OWNING with my CHOPPER GUNNER in Mw2 🙂

But I also like messing with people to bring out the real them inside them. JEJEJE
With so many Ps3s sold depending on what game you play = depends what age people play that game. Toy Story 3 = Kids right? Socom U.S Navy SEALs Confrontation = mid 30's. YOU PROBABLY WONT FIND A 30 YEAR OLD IN Toy Story 3 LOLz. You wont find a kid in Socom….

JackC8
JackC8
10 years ago

I always have to wonder when they talk about the average age of gamers. Are they including millions of senior citizens who play a couple games of solitaire on their PC each year? It's like another survey I read about golf – they were saying that Minnesota has a huge percentage of golfers compared to other states. You'd think half the population was heading out to the course every day after work. Then I looked at the numbers more closely and they were talking about people who played 1 – 2 rounds of golf in the last 2 years or something.

sirbob6
sirbob6
10 years ago

I think the answer to your last question is yes. I back it up with not only Heavy Rain but also other games with deep stories like MGS4. The stories goes beyond the normal "See that? Go kill it" of a lot of games.

On a side note: How was Alan Wake? I know my xbot said it was good but I am curious of your opinion.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
10 years ago

I think it's great. It has a few technical issues and sometimes it does feel a little repetitive, but it IS pretty unique, and it IS genuinely freaky. Like I said, it's right up my alley.

sirbob6
sirbob6
10 years ago

Thanks, I may have to "borrow" may xbot's 360 and Alan Wake for a few days.


Last edited by sirbob6 on 8/20/2010 10:10:48 PM

Nickjcal
Nickjcal
10 years ago

Ill prolly buy alan wake after halo reach. But startin next month the games just start flowin out haha. Gotta get me some money!

FxTales
FxTales
10 years ago

I don't know I think maturity does contribute but for me it was more the fact that it was so different, nothing like it before.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

While plenty of people enjoy owning both consoles, I think if we were to separate everyone into groups (say, which console you like best) you'd find that the software driving the PS3 forward is more diverse. As such, what is offered especially in the way of exclusives, is ranged for everyone and dare I say is backwards compatible with the grown-up dynamic. What I mean is while LBP is great for kids and Heavy Rain is an adult game, the adults on PS3 are open minded beyond just needing to shoot something and can fully enjoy games like LBP as well.

Older gamers are definitely more civil, but what's interesting is that the Playstation brand seems to attract more mature youngsters as well. It's a shame we must rely on anecdotal evidence; I for one would like to see the results of a study on this subject.

edit: Oh yeah, and as I said before, Alan Wake would have sold more on PS3, but it would have made the best sense to make it multiplat.


Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 8/20/2010 9:44:16 PM

Temjin001
Temjin001
10 years ago

First off, I'd like to say that Socio-economics is a highly complex and multi-layered sphere of study that universities, and interests groups are highly engaged in. I think it takes solid empirical data to make any real conclusions.

But hey, this is a editorial for us to throw some ideas around in.

World, I would believe that there is a less polarized group of gamers on PS3 than the Xbox. But I think it's accurate to say that the largest group on both platforms right now is for the same genre.
That is, the most profitable games for either platform are shooters, and if not pure shooters, then the they have a lot to do with shooting guns (Ratchet, Alan Wake etc).

Aren't both Modern Warfare's the single largest selling games for either platform?

And while MS also has their Halo, Gears, and L4D fans, Sony has a large quality line up of shooter/competitive games: Resistance, Warhawk, Killzone, and MAG (am I missing any?) And those are all published by Sony.

Anyway, it's nice seeing encouraging numbers from quality experimental titles like Heavy Rain, or to see games like the Last Guardian coming in the horizon.

It would seem (and it's something I've had a growing concern with) that as games grow bigger in budget and production the safer the investment publisher's will want to make. Hopefully, we don't see a day when the majority of big budgeted games are green lighted only for the consumer fads.
I have to say, the pre-Xbox/LIVE era didn't have a whole lot for FPS games. Yeah, there was Golden Eye, and some other occasional decent shooters, but nothing, absolutely nothing compared to how it is now.

Times have changed.

Temjin001
Temjin001
10 years ago

oh, yeah, I'm missing SOCOM, too =)

Kangasfwa
Kangasfwa
10 years ago

I think Heavy Rain's success is more of a sign of the PS3 fanbase. Every gamer enjoys great games, but the PS3 fanbase seems to appreciate a deeper setting and story. The PS3 wouldn't host its creative, sometimes thought provoking, games otherwise.


Last edited by Kangasfwa on 8/20/2010 9:47:33 PM

PAKINIPS
PAKINIPS
10 years ago

wow you guys are up early!

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

It's 10:30 at night where I am 🙂

PAKINIPS
PAKINIPS
10 years ago

aha wondered why the time was always wrong on this site lol. im doing an all nighter for absolutely no reason

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

Break out the games and the caffeine!

PAKINIPS
PAKINIPS
10 years ago

i was aware i just forget 🙁
been playing uncharted online since 11 🙂 dont need no caffiene

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
10 years ago

Wait, why in the editorial does it state: 'If Remedy, or another developer, wanted to make something "cerebral," and they had a choice of platform, would they be better advised to make it for the PS3?'
Is Remedy owned by Microsoft? Is that why we will never see Alan Wake? If so, sorry for my ignorance, but I did not know that.

While it is true that the sales figures do indicate the difference in maturity, in truth both titles would need to be multiplatform in order to gauge that type of thing. The sales don't lie (provided they aren't skewed like M$ counting units shipped). The problem is that, despite their similarities, they are still two very different games. I suppose that developers could go out with the intention of creating more intellectual games and see the sales figures to determine which console has the more mature audience. Although it doesn't really matter what you do as it is all subjective. Just because it seems that one is more mature than the other does not make it so.

Of course, judging by the console owners that I know, it certainly does seem that the PS3 has the more mature group. Or at least, they're more the kind of people I prefer to hang out with as they are willing to talk about topics other than themselves and superficial crap. Oh well, such is life and all that.

In all honesty though, I want more games like Heavy Rain with a deep, involved story and real characters. I actually want a love story game. That'd be hard to work though. I'm not saying that a lot of games nowadays don't have good, interesting and intriguing stories, but it's just that most focus so heavily on war and violence, and it gets so boring. I'm rambling aren't I?
Peace.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

No, Remedy owns Alan Wake. They can do with it as they please, for some reason (a bunch of cash) they decided to go exclusive to MS.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
10 years ago

True, but as Microsoft published it, they have the rights to it so Alan Wake can never go multi.

Just wanted to point that out for any hopeful PS3 owners.

Lawless SXE
Lawless SXE
10 years ago

Yeah, I didn't realise that. The way you used the word choice in that sentence made it seem to me as if Remedy didn't have any option whatsoever.
Thanks and peace.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

Oh MS published it? I did not know that. I suppose they needed that help.

StangMan80
StangMan80
10 years ago

Yes Allen wake would of sold more on the PS3 and Yes us PS3 owners are more intelligent… for not getting a 360 in the first place.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

I tend to agree, it is a foolish person who buys something that is almost guaranteed to break.

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
10 years ago

honestly its the only reason why i haven't bothered to replace mine after my brother asked for it back after playing Gears of War 2 and Alan Wake on it. He does let me use it when i ask, but i'll never buy one


Last edited by aaronisbla on 8/21/2010 2:21:02 AM

Crabba
Crabba
10 years ago

Seriously, only a moron would pay ~$300 for a product with a 20-30% failure rate. Crazy…

RebelJD
RebelJD
10 years ago

All I have to say about this article is that I anticipated Heavy Rain as much as Alan Wake. I got my PS3 Christmas of '09, sold my Xbox 360 Christmas of '08.

When Heavy Rain came out I couldn't wait to pick it up, and did. When Alan Wake FINALLY was set to release I anticipated it as "the title that I wish I still had an Xbox 360 for". When Alan Wake came out to a lukewarm reception I felt for it. I was really rooting for it to be what Heavy Rain was to the PS3, but apparently 360 owners made it out to look like a generic fourth-party game or something.

Not even my good buddy who owns a 360 picked it up after I heavily promoted Alan Wake as "the game to buy"!

Had Alan Wake came out for the PS3 it would be sitting in my collection of games right now.


Last edited by RebelJD on 8/20/2010 11:04:33 PM

dveisalive
dveisalive
10 years ago

Man screw maturity, this game is epic and must be seen to believe. They could make a movie out of a moive out of this XD rofl lol

Victor321
Victor321
10 years ago

Alan Wake certainly would've sold more if it were multi-plat or PS3 exclusive, no kidding! But I am really happy for its success, nonetheless.

Also, I completely agree with you Ben, on your view that Heavy Rain's success in worldwide sales is a connection to the mature, civil people who own PS3s. Heck, the community here at PSXExtreme is proof enough of that, Heavy Rain or no Heavy Rain.

I bought the game, and I'm 16, part of the age group associated with COD lol (note: I do own COD games, but my gaming library is NOT comprised of games JUST like them).


Last edited by Victor321 on 8/21/2010 12:17:39 AM

godsman
godsman
10 years ago

Why would Sony not expect at least 1-2 million sales from Heavy Rain? Now-a-days development of an exclusive game can easily exceed 20-30 million dollars. How can they not expect that sales?

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
10 years ago

Two reasons: it's a new IP and it's extremely unlike any other blockbuster in existence. Sony took a chance and they knew it at the time.

___________
___________
10 years ago

maybe because it was a QTE fest?
allot of people HATED that!

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
10 years ago

looks like someone is a tad bit upset that a game he considers to be a QTE fest sold significantly better than a game that gets compared to it often….snicker

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
10 years ago

If all get out of Heavy Rain is QTEs, I feel sorry for you.

fluffer nutter
fluffer nutter
10 years ago

godsman, I think you're confusing two things here. 1-2 millions in sales is talking about the amount of units sold, not dollars. So, let's say the game was sold for $30 each, that would have brought in around $30 – $60 million and we know this game was sold for more than that, overall. Especially, since the total sales is closer to 2 million. Maybe even more by now.


Last edited by fluffer nutter on 8/21/2010 11:29:23 AM

spiderboi
spiderboi
10 years ago

Aren't all games technically QTE's? Since it all entails quick reaction (well, mostly for FPS's and TPS's, not so much on deep RPG). Not sure why the hate on QTE's but story-wise, Heavy Rain delivers and delivers well. While playing it I swear I sometimes get the cold chills..

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
10 years ago

For example, Demon's Souls would've flopped hard if it was a 360 exclusive.

It really boils down to the twitchy gamers. 360 just has more of them.

But yes, maturity does come into play. They probably see those games where they need to have patience and actually UNDERSTAND everything 'bout the game as "boring games."

I'm glad Heavy Rain kicked ass and is still kicking ass. It's one of those games ps3 gamers should get regardless of what types of games they like.

Snaaaake
Snaaaake
10 years ago

For a game that has won GOTY award, Demon's Souls sold(I think I smell a pun) poorly.

It's barely 1 million copies the last time I check.

Fane1024
Fane1024
10 years ago

DS sold better than they expected it to sell, though. They ran out of the first run almost immediately and had to order another "printing".

Also, DS released at three different times (under three different publishers) in the different regions, so it had very little benefit of "buzz" or advertizing.

It's possible that your numbers do not yet include the PAL sales, since it was released there on June 25.

Pandacastro
Pandacastro
10 years ago

I think heavy rain would sell alot on xbox if they add multiplayer, guns, and got rid of the things that make heavy rain good. LOL

btw sold my 360 since imo barely has any games anymore

ZettaiSeigi
ZettaiSeigi
10 years ago

I remember that Alan Wake was supposed to come out for the PS3 when the game was first announced. That was a long time ago, back to the days when the PS3 was struggling to get on its feet. Could that be the reason why Remedy decided to scrap the PS3 version? Boy, the times sure has changed.

___________
___________
10 years ago

it is?
im on the PSN all the time and all i hear is little pricks swearing and screaming racial slurs!
i was playing uncharted 2 the other day, and someone said oo we have a ozzie playing better run off i think a dingos stealing your baby.
never, ever heard anything like that on XBLA, so ill beg to differ.

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
10 years ago

LOL dude your so full of sh**. The kind of sh** that sticks to the toilet bowl and refuses to flush properly.

If you have never heard any kind of racial slur on xbox live, you don't play on xbox live, period. I've heard them on both, more so on live due to the fact that it comes with a mic.


Last edited by aaronisbla on 8/21/2010 4:49:27 AM

sirbob6
sirbob6
10 years ago

I have to ask if you ever been on Live before? I have played with my xbot on it and it is horrible. Or maybe you just have your online services mixed?

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
10 years ago

Your always going to get annoying people online, its unavoidable unfortunatly, will i do hate spammers i have to say people who treat the game as a realistic mater of life and death are much worse. I like to have fun, ocassionaly muck about with people, just because the aim is to kill the other team doesnt mean thats all you can do.

My fondest online memory is on MGS3 Online, Where i got everyone in the team deathmatchs aim to throw everyone off the cliff, was a riot 😀

spiderboi
spiderboi
10 years ago

Both network gaming services will have these annoying people. Can't avoid that. And honestly, we can't back console demographics as to maturity of the crowd, it has to be the games that reflect these. HR and MGS3 is and will always have a solid spot on my intellectual gaming side of the brain.

WorldEndsWithMe
WorldEndsWithMe
10 years ago

Blank line, all you do is disagree with things that are obviously true. Not everyone has to agree on everything but you really take the cake when it comes to BS posts.

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
10 years ago

Being fair the 360 never even got Heavy Rain, i'm sure it would have selled well on that console too.

aaronisbla
aaronisbla
10 years ago

if Alan Wake didn't sell like they wanted it to, i highly doubt Heavy Rain would have faired well

Vivi_Gamer
Vivi_Gamer
10 years ago

Ture but being fair Heavy Rain is probaly my favourite game this generation, but i don't really have an interest in Alan Awake, i don't see how the two relate personally. But i have to say it sucks to be them for missing out on Heavy Rain.