It's an ongoing topic of conversation amongst all avid gamers, and of course, the ebb and flow of the retail tides tends to dictate which console has the lead. But that's hardly what everyone argues about – how does one argue over cold, hard sales stats? – so let's examine where the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, and Wii stand at this point in time.

The disclaimer we always add to our editorials shouldn't be required by now, but I'll drop it in anyway- just because we focus on the PlayStation brand at this site does not mean we're a "fansite;" we're a legitimate site and always will be. Therefore, when I tell you the PS3 appears to be in the best current position, it has nothing whatsoever to do with bias. I was one of the few who said the Intellivision was better than the Atari 2600, but in the end, everyone remembers Atari for blazing the trail (and they did, of course). And when someone started trying to compare the SNES and Genesis, I always remember walking away…they were both so great; both had so many great games, so why even bother to argue about it? But these days, with online, many more genres of games, high-definition, all sorts of extra media content, and all that, there's a lot more to consider.

And about a year and a half ago, nobody in their right mind would say the PS3 was in the best position. The Xbox 360 had already been available for over a year, and had already provided us with some fantastic software (despite the miserable reliability that still continues today), and the Wii had sprinted out to a huge lead. But man, how times have changed. Let's hit the highlights to make it easier for the reader:

First and foremost, the games: Everyone freaked out when Sony lost exclusive rights to Final Fantasy XIII , but in my view, the PS3 still has by far the most impressive list of exclusives. Regardless of what the 360 and Wii may boast – and there are several big ones – neither can compare to the likes of Gran Turismo , Resistance , LittleBigPlanet , Ratchet and Clank , God of War , SOCOM , and perhaps whatever Team ICO has prepared for us. Yes, I realize the latter is just a guess, but I'm sure you get my point. On top of which, I do believe the PS3 versions of multiplatform titles will start getting an edge on 360 games, what with so many developers beginning to use the PS3 as the lead platform.

Blu-Ray: As much as Microsoft wants to discount this as a big deal, it does indeed remain a big deal for consumers. The fact that the PS3 is the only video game console that can also be a high-definition movie player is significant, and will become more significant as Blu-Ray begins its admittedly slow overtaking of DVD. In 2007, over 80% of all TVs purchased during the holiday season where HD-capable, and most analysts believe it'll be around 90% this year. Furthermore, Sony's machine remains by far the cheapest option that will allow consumers to play both Blu-Ray and DVD. This is huge, considering the giant DVD libraries many people have, and their adverse reaction to having two separate movie players hooked up. Do they even have another player that can play both Blu-Ray and DVD yet?

The rise of the PlayStation Network: While it remains true that Xbox Live still has more bells and whistles, the Network and Store are much better than they used to be. The newly revamped Store is excellent, the reliability of most Sony servers is excellent, and it seems that with every new firmware update, more is added. It remains free while Live is not, and with the coming of PlayStation Home (which, by all rights, could have it's own bullet, here), this means the Network should be more and more competitive with Live. In fact, for many casual gamers, it's simply a better option right now.

Where did the Wii games go? I applauded Nintendo for coming out strong with an innovative machine that cast such a huge net over all consumer demographics. It really was an excellent move. But now, all I see is another GameCube…where are the games ? What happened? Think of all the big-name games over the past year, and for the next few months. Name as many as you can…go ahead, take your time. How many are on the Wii, and how many are on the PS3 and Xbox 360? The discrepancy is pretty gigantic, isn't it? MGS4, DMC4, GTAIV, GT5: Prologue, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Gears of War 2, Killzone 2, Too Human, etc, etc, etc. The biggest of the big, and ain't none on the Wii. I'm sorry, but I don't care how innovative your interaction gimmick is; without the software, no video game system on earth can win a console war.

Surprising PS3 reliability: I say "surprising" because I honestly didn't believe this system would be as unbelievably solid as it is. Most all retailers continually report a less than 1% defective:sold ratio, and while this doesn't necessarily separate it from the Wii (another remarkably reliable machine, but that's typical from Nintendo), it certainly separates it from the Xbox 360. That thing is a disaster, plain and simple, and there's no amount of PR twisting-of-words that can change that fact. Plus, with the prices of the consoles being the same and the games all over the place, what's really stopping someone from getting a PS3 over the 360 right now?

I'm not making any long-term predictions; this is only a look at the current state of the console war. Currently, no matter which way I turn or which angle I examine this from, I always end up putting the PS3 on top. Early in 2007, I would never have imagined such a massive turnaround, and I certainly wouldn't have expected it to happen so quickly. If this momentum continues, and unless I see something that spurs either the 360 or the Wii forward in my mind, I will continue to believe the PS3 has the current edge. Of course, I do have both the PS3 and 360, just 'cuz I really like those RPGs like Lost Odyssey and the upcoming Infinite Undiscovery , and of course, I need some way to play Gears of War 2 . The Wii? …I don't think so. Anywho, that's the way I see it; take it or leave it. 🙂

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Fatcat3788
Fatcat3788
12 years ago

Happy to have my PS3. Biggest kick in the butt in my eyes was the loss of Monster Hunter for PS3. Other than that I get all the games I really wanted on my PS3 so no complaints and looking forward to the next few years. I'm sure it will be on top.

AceTatsujin
AceTatsujin
12 years ago

Games on 360 come out on PC … My PC demolishes the 360's system and [it]some[/i]PS3 games as well. I've got Quad-core, 2x 8800 GT Superclocked Sli-enabled with 4 gigs of overclocked dual channel 800 mhgz ram on PN5-Asus Mobo. Crysis is cake, there isn't another game that beats Crysis' requirements yet and when it does and if it requires me to upgrade, I will do that. 360 = garbage. I'll wait till MS comes out with a reliable freaking system that can actually compete seriously with the PS3, then I may buy it.

Juicebeast
Juicebeast
12 years ago

Right on, Mr Fancypants. This costed you HOW much?

BTW, that's a rhetorical question.

AceTatsujin
AceTatsujin
12 years ago

I know I'm double posting. Here is a link to what I own on PS3/PC/PSP and what I have pre-ordered and interested in. You missed some strong games, too.

http://otakixus.com/monster.htm

Valkyria Profile
White Knight Chronicles
Driver (yes, its exclusive!)
Twisted Metal
Killzone 2

and the rest …

djduke316
djduke316
12 years ago

I'm with Ben, owning both a PS3 and a 360 and my system of choice is the PS3. I do wish there were more exclusive RPG's which 360 surprisingly has the edge (cough SQUARE ENIX cough). Btw SNES was better!

The_Chimeran
The_Chimeran
12 years ago

The ps3 had a hard first year but after uncharted came out it started getting momentum and then once 2.41/MGS4 hit, every 360 bias news site started giving the ps3 some more attention *cough* G4 *cough*. I love my ps3 but the 360 is looking really really attractive (not more than ps3 still 🙂 ) now, especially with rpg's and gears. As for the wii, idk loved playing zelda, metroid, super smash was fun but galaxy seemed to beat an old horse around again and the other more casual friendly games aren't really for 1 person fun. And the direction that nintendo is taking with motion control is annoying me. I was expecting motion control like zelda and metroid but the wii sports reservation thing is just ridiculous to me. For the most part gaming is definitely getting huge..ish.

Hull
Hull
12 years ago

This story is delusional. The PS3 does not have better games. Nobody cares about blu-ray. The Wii is not stagnant. The XBOX 360 has absolutely decimated Sony's marketshare with hardcore gamers.

Be real for a second. The PS2 was absolutely dominant, but the PS3 barely survives…Sony dropped the ball. Its exclusives are its weakest point and it's getting leftover 360 games from the 3rd party devs.

Don't get me wrong…it made it through the woods. It's going to survive, but don't pretend that it's in a good position. Its one big exclusive after being out for 2 years (MGS 4) dropped off the sales charts (it didn't make the top 10) a month after it was released. The biggest franchise on the system just went multiplatform (Final Fantasy). Just wait till the apologists explain why MGS 4 goes multiplatform for the 360 in a few months (oh, it will, cause Konami has to please stockholders).

AntDC
AntDC
12 years ago

The PS3 barely survives? Have you seen its monthly sales lately?

As for MGS4 going multiplat… now that is delusional…

The Cheat
The Cheat
12 years ago

i have to say that while this article is a little more optimistic about the state of things it is a relatively true look at the situation. after working in retail electronics for some time now i can say that i will all ways suggest the playstation 3 as a blu-ray player before any other and to say the it doesn't matter is just you being swayed by microsofts bullshit.

it exclusives are the weakest? i don't see where that comes from. they may not be much better than the 360, but they certainly arn't crap.

i could go on but i don't want to ramble.

The_Chimeran
The_Chimeran
12 years ago

It's exclusives are the weakest point? what? Some of the biggest franchises from last gen are carrying over to this generation. Ratchet, God of War, Gran Turismo, Socom, and MGS. The the new franchises that are exclusive to PS3 are Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, and Resistance. Coming up are M.A.G and LBP. As for final fantasy well yeah we lost 13 but we have versus 13, so as of right now if you want the complete Final Fantasy experience you need the PS3. Listen for something thats barely surviving it looks like it's fighting really really hard. Trust me this isn't the place to post BS.


Last edited by The_Chimeran on 8/16/2008 8:41:49 PM

GamerKid123
GamerKid123
12 years ago

Yeah, i got a friend who when i speak about my ps3, he heats up and goes all hyped up and chucks out a load of rubbish about the 360 being better, stupid fanboy!

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
12 years ago

Ben you also forgot to say how attractive the ps3 looks when you think 'bout all the things it can do with the psp.

Seriously to be able to play all those ps1 classics on your psp is heavenly.

I agree with everything you just said. To be honest I love the Wii, it has a lot of goodness(Virtua Console, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and the games which came out last year like Mario Galaxy). But this year? This year is just as you say there's nothing to look forward to on the Wii….not even from Nintendo. Their franchises are seriously being mishandled…..Mario Kart is no longer something to drool for. Animal Crossing now looks like a dumb game they keep porting without graphical upgrades. They even apologized for what they did in E3….
I love Nintendo to death, I really hope they start making good games again, and not just one every 4 or 6 months.

The ps3 overall has a better base of developers. Naughty Dog, Imsoniac, Polyphony, all proven/tough devs which deliver great games all the time. While Microsoft is just getting 3rd party exclusives(mostly rpgs for now) they really have nothing other than Gears of War.

Just wait 'till those rpgs start coming ps3's way, you'll see history repeat itself.

Reminds me of when devs maxed out the Dreamcast in terms of performance, it did so much in the beginning but then the ps2 outperformed it. With its DVD, longer lifespan, etc. Same situation presents itself again with ps3's blu-ray and cell-processor.

Juicebeast
Juicebeast
12 years ago

Nintendo's strength is the development of first-party titles, Galaxy, Brawl, Twilight Princess, Prime 3… great games that help define the console. This was also true for the Nintendo 64. However, Nintendo's strength is belittled by it's weakness: the painful lack of third-party support. The SNES didn't have this problem, so it survived for a good lifespan. The Wii is still suffering massively in this department, and until Nintendo does something to change this direction, this Achilles Heel will spell Wii's doom.

MadPowerBomber
MadPowerBomber
12 years ago

I think, in all honesty, we're going to start to see leaps and bounds in terms of difference between the PS3 and the 360. In my opinion, the 360 is nothing but a generic architecture based off a slim-line gaming PC, which makes it easy to program for. But because of that, and because of Microsoft's decision to stick with DVDs for the format, I think we've already seen the best the system has to offer in terms of graphics and presentation. I don't think there's anymore room for growth for that system whereas there's still a lot of room for the PS3 to grow in terms of presentation, function, and innovation. If we're comparing the two, the first party developers for the X-Box haven't made a single game that's interested me. I diddled with Halo and Fable as well as Jade Empire on the previous incarnation of the system, and none of them impressed me even the tiniest bit. Where as Sony keeps coming out with games that make my eyeballs pop out of my skull like Shadow of the Colossus, both God of War games, etc, etc. These are the kinds of games we have to look forward to for Sony's console, and they're games that are going to continue to push the envelope of what the medium has to offer and what's actually capable of being presented to a player in a video game. Microsoft has only shown me second rate RPGs and more first person shooters that you can wave Gojira's tail at.

And, in all honesty, it doesn't matter that Final Fantasy XIII is going to the 360. The game was developed for the PS3 based on the PS3's architecture. What 360 gamers are going to get is a port of the final PS3 product, and ports never really translate well outside of their original console. Not only does that keep me away from ever deciding to get a 360, but the idea of having to change discs because — let's face it folks — Final Fantasy is going to require more than one or two DVDs to fit the game onto leaves me feeling very cold and been there, done that. The same problem comes along IF — and it's a BIG if regardless of what the hopefuls keep wishing for — Metal Gear Solid 4 comes to the 360 as well. It's going to require at least seven DVDs to put MGS4 onto the 360 without losing any data; less, maybe, if they compress the audio in any sort of way (which, y'know, is going to lose quality when they do that). That would mean at multiple points in the game (and not JUST between acts) you're going to have to get up and replace the disc with another one to progress in the game. The idea of that turns me off completely to that system.

I bought the PS3 because of the potential it has and what the future promises and will deliver. The 360 only has a future currently if they keep shoveling money at third party developers for exclusive titles and to keep the content of multi-platform games the same — which also handicaps the possibility of growth in the medium a great deal — because they, just like Sega before them, have wedged themselves into a giant hole that nothing short of delivering another console to a market that isn't ready for it can get them out of.

That's my take anyway.

AceTatsujin
AceTatsujin
12 years ago

Replying to MadPowerBomber —

Just to put you on an accurate term, and for those who are reading. MGS IV uses all 6 SPE's that is avaliable on the PS3, besides using the full Blu-Ray disk (49-50 gigs) … MGS IV will never be released on the 360 because of those two facts. Kojima himself said they wanted to push the PS3 to the max, and it was announced that the MGS IV does push the system to the very edge. We all know the PS3's Cell is based on a server for super computers and it was reported in different business websites as well and not only that, they keep mentioning the PS3's performance and how the Cell is the leading power efficient, super processor that not only calculates faster than Intel and AMD's processors, but beats Xenon 3x Cores (360's CPU) and the top server processors. This news was released LAST WEEK on 4 major business websites, with one of them comparing and showing actual results and differences between the processors. MGS IV was designed for the PS3 and it will never see the daylight on the 360.

This is towards the 360 lovers who are still commenting on this website — You guys need to calm down. You like your 360, right? That's fair enough. And facts are facts, the PS3 is catching up not slowly, but fast. Sales went up just because of GTA IV and MGS IV? … You guys need to see our big exclusives that are coming soon, LBP, Resistance and Killzone 2 … and just for the record, Killzone 2 is aimming to beat Call of Duty 4, not Halo 3. They've already shown us some awesome gameplay and graphics. Of course, if you do reply to me with hate then we know who you are. =)

Blood_Haze
Blood_Haze
12 years ago

first of, "HULL", MGS4 sold 4 million copies worldwide and konamis sales went up 52%. also blu-ray is the best, its what made MGS4 possible. so dont be suprised that MGS4 will never come to 360. Besides the ps3 will catch up to the 360 because the ps3 has more exclusives than the 360. the only 360 game im looking forward to is gears of war 2. so take your fanboy talk out of here

Cavan
Cavan
12 years ago

people forget that the xbox only sells well in america, in europe the ps3 has already outsold the 360, and in asia, well its just a landslide, only america keeps up its sales of the 360, with amercia being so patriotic, it will alwayz do well over their, as its buying their own product, they wont quite do a sega tho, as microsoft are obvioulsy very rich, but the outlook for the ps3 is alwayz going to look good, when every terrioty is ps3 dominated bar one.

www
www
12 years ago

Hull,are you a 360 fanboy? This is a very honest and peaceful site,ur likes aint entertained.Wat u mean blu-ray aint needed,Case u aint know am in Africa n we can't screw our money over for an unreliable system like 360,so gamers over here go for a more reliable system even if it's expensive.
PS3 has Europe,Asia,Africa.360 only got U.S,that aint good.

orangpelupa
orangpelupa
12 years ago

@all
This site is full of sony fanboys. . .
Just read the comments.

If you not a fanboy, you will realize that the comments always biased. . .
Ps3 fanboy's comments. . .


Like the comment stating that using compressed audio will lost quality.

Ofcourse it will lost quality, but no-one will realize it. The quality lost is ultra minimal.

Wew. . . Many games use lossy audio you moron.
Using lossless uncompressed audio is basically just to fill the disc.

And many games use ogg audio, lossy codec with very high quality and small file size.

And audiophiles also cant complain with audio compressed with codecs like flac.

MadPowerBomber
MadPowerBomber
12 years ago

No offense, sunshine, but when calling another individual a moron, you might want to go back and read a few books and gather a better grasp of the English language if you expect to be taken at all seriously. Just a suggestion.

orangpelupa
orangpelupa
12 years ago

Btw for sales. Ps3 and x360 have its high and low.
Like this july-august. X360 got huge sales in japan, because Tales of Vesperia.
Just like years ago in japan when x360 got [email protected] and [email protected] Live for You.

(yeah, the game title is all caps)

Ps3 got high sales when it got mgs4.

Both system have its high and low.

And its the game that make console sell.

Brw78
Brw78
12 years ago

Sony has dropped the ball with the PS3, I'm sorry but it's time to face the facts. Games aren't selling on the console, their best game has been GTA IV (not exclusive and 360 sold more of its version) then its MGS4. But the rest is pretty bad, Uncharted 1.2 million, Resistance 2.5 million etc. those aren't respectable numbers.

That's why Sony has lost out on more exclusives this gen because games currently tend to sell better on the 360.

And sure they have great exclusives coming but so do the other consoles. Resistance 2 and LittleBigPlanet will end up being this years highlights, but don't expect LittleBigPlanet to move too many units, that game isn't a system seller. Then you have Killzone 2 and God Of War 3 in 2009 (if those even come out for sure then) and other games like Mag (a lot of players online could = lagfest. 2008 was supposed to be Sony's year but it's not going to end up like that.

360 has Gears Of War 2 which will end up going head to head with Resistance 2 I presume, there's Banjo and Kazooie, Fable 2, Left 4 Dead, new Bioshock? and the Mass Effect series will be finishing on the 360 before a new console comes out. Throw in the great third party titles and it makes things hard for Sony to pass the 360 this year.

Then we have the Wii. People have complained about this a lot on here already, but really what's the need for complaining? First off, we've had a Zelda game, Mario game, Metroid title, Smash Bros. Game and Mario Kart game all under 2 years. Nintendo's been very good to Wii owners and the hardcore crowd alike and now the third party support is getting there as well. NHL 2k9, Call Of Duty 5 World At War, The Conduit, MadWorld, Tench 4, Fatal Frame 4 and so on and so on. Then throw in Animal Crossing for later this year and the titles Nintendo has planned for next year (new Mario, Zelda and Pikmin?) it's going to be hard for Sony to gain ground on Nintendo.

Sorry but Sony is in the worst spot of the three at the moment, maybe next year will be different.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
12 years ago

Because Playstation3 isn't selling better in Japan and Europe.

Intereting, the US isn't the only region for games. I'm sure you know that.

The_Chimeran
The_Chimeran
12 years ago

Seriously now, everyone has got to stop saying that M.A.G is gonna be a lagfest. I'm sure that's on the top 5 of their prioties for making M.A.G. A lot of people said that about Resistance and Warhawk but both turned out nearly flawless.

Jed
Jed
12 years ago

If all the 360s dont burn up before then

faraga
faraga
12 years ago

a friend of mine, who's a big nontendo fan (and has a wii), was saying he was probably gonna buy a ps3 because of many reasons:
they recently bought a hdtv and need a hd player (so that's gonna be bluray)
he hates the xbox 360 (unreliable, not many games he likes)
the wii hasnt got any good games coming in his eyes
and Little Big Planet:D

cheng
cheng
12 years ago

@orangpelupa – so wats ur point??madpowerbomber just stated out the facts he dint go any further regarding the audio's qualitys gonna affect the gamers. tat doesnt make him a fanboy. its just tat u cant realize the lost quality doesnt mean every1 cant realize it. theres obvious preferism over consoles n obviously people here just prefer ps3 n they have a dam good reason(reliability of ps3, its fact), n tat doesnt make them fanboys(unless u c preferism s fanboyism). I do agree tat its games tat sell the hardware n alot of developers had already see the potential of ps3. cant wait for RE5!!!
P.S.- i appologize if i sound offensive.

Jizmack
Jizmack
12 years ago

rahhh still makes me mad ppl are talking about the final fantasy 13 for multiplatform…

did you see versus with the prince and all that jazz. that game looks bad as hell

Versus XIII ==== Ps3 Exclusive

Brw78
Brw78
12 years ago

"Because Playstation3 isn't selling better in Japan and Europe.

Intereting, the US isn't the only region for games. I'm sure you know that."

Um yeah I did know that actually, but I guess it's the Japanese and European peoples fault cus' their not buying games right? No..

Funny thing is in Europe the games tend to sell better over there than in the U.S. so the point made is invalid. Sony games just aren't selling in general and you can't pinpoint it on one place or country, it doesn't sell regardless.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
12 years ago

Not buying games?
Not you're just sounding completely ignorant lol.

Did you see how GT5P, MGS4, and other games sold when they came out?

lol you're a joke
360 games do sell well in Europe(mostly UK), but to say that now they're selling better overall is flat out wrong. Specially when there are more ps3s sold in both regions.

SerendipityDeus
SerendipityDeus
12 years ago

*sigh* this is rediculious (spelling?) if ur just gonna bash the ps3 get out of here, we don't need the likes of u here, this aint a fanboy site but please back up wat u say with hard cold facts thank you =D

Brw78
Brw78
12 years ago

*Sigh*, I have backed up my points..read my post above where I talked about all the consoles. I replied to those putting down the 360 and Wii but all I was doing was giving insight as to what those systems have coming out.

@Scarecrow (first post on here, not second)
You were talking about Nintendo not having anything:
Then we have the Wii. People have complained about this a lot on here already, but really what's the need for complaining? First off, we've had a Zelda game, Mario game, Metroid title, Smash Bros. Game and Mario Kart game all under 2 years. Nintendo's been very good to Wii owners and the hardcore crowd alike and now the third party support is getting there as well. NHL 2k9, Call Of Duty 5 World At War, The Conduit, MadWorld, Tench 4, Fatal Frame 4 and so on and so on. Then throw in Animal Crossing for later this year and the titles Nintendo has planned for next year (new Mario, Zelda and Pikmin?) it's going to be hard for Sony to gain ground on Nintendo.

And 360 has more than just Gears Of War:
360 has Gears Of War 2 which will end up going head to head with Resistance 2 I presume, there's Banjo and Kazooie, Fable 2, Left 4 Dead, new Bioshock? and the Mass Effect series will be finishing on the 360 before a new console comes out. Throw in the great third party titles and it makes things hard for Sony to pass the 360 this year.

So stop being PS3 fanboys please, I pointed out the faults of the system because no one else was. Everyone was quick to jump on board and bash the 360 and Wii. PS3 games are not selling and that's why they lost exclusives (GTA IV, Final Fantasy 13). Future looks good, but many inside Sony (and fanboys) said 2008 was going to be their year. But it's going to be hard with what Microsoft and Nintendo are dishing out both this year and next.

MirrorSoul
MirrorSoul
12 years ago

Jesus Christ!! Brw78 and Hull yall need to quet down or shut up completely.This site is for fans of the PS3!! We arnt here to this Consule is better without giving due fact.Both of you sound like Fanboys to the Highets Csliber.If you wana bash our system go to Xboxnerds.com (Not joking I think its the Sister site to this one.) I came to this site and started to comment here because IGN,Gamespot,and many other site started to run rampent with negativity for the PS3.I am no Fanboy I have a 360 but to say Games on the PS3 arnt selling is stupid.The only reason 360 has higher sale nnumbers is becaus of the instal base THATS IT!!.I will say you can have your own views on a system but when you go against facts you always lose.Th3 360 has not outsold the PS3 in consules this Year..FACT..The PS3 has more Exclusives and has had better multiplatfor versions of games since the beggining of the year…Fact.So please go contiue your, Insults and,Bias comments somewhere else.

pavlovic
pavlovic
12 years ago

I own the PS3 and the X360, had 2 Wii's (I really wanted to give it a chance) and get rid of them because the lack of software for my personal gaming preferences.

I look to the 2008 games lineups for the consoles I own and what I see is a better one for the PS3.

I'm not a RPG fan, so those exclusives for the 360 don't call my attention. All I see in the near future in the MS machine for me is Gears 2, nothing more.

In the other side, I see LBP, R2, GOW3, KZ2, InFamous, Motorstorm and my favourite console multiplayer of all time: Socom, which, by the way, it's going to be a system seller, I know a lot of people that are going to trade their old PS2 and even their 360s to get into Socom.

Multiplatform games: I try to get most of my multiplayer games on the PS3 for a reason: I'm not afraid to turn on my console and get the RROD.

MGS4 going to the 360? Unlikely, but if it does, good for all 360 owners out there, so they can have a chance to play one of the most beautiful games available as the PS3 players will have the chance to play Bioshock in a few months.

I really hope that developing multiplatform doen's hold back all the potenciallity inside the PS3 because the limitations inside the 360 cough DVD cough.

For those who said that the BD doesn't matter, you don't know how wrong you are, BD is awsome and the PS3 is a fully upgradable BD player, so you will always will have a state of the art player. Games like R:FOM, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted and of course MGS4 couldn't fit into a DVD without a lot of compressing. By the other hand Gears is amazingly… short. It had to be in one DVD. I loved that game from the start but ended mad as it was so short.

I do think that Sony is in a very good position and if developers continue to use the PS3 as leading platform, MS will be in some trouble or getting a new xbox very soon.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
12 years ago

BRW: I understand you're trying to be the lone voice of opposition through reason, but sadly, all your viewpoints are heavily skewed. This is why you're getting the responses you are. Saying Sony "lost" exclusives because games sell better on the 360 is true to some extent, but then again, they only sell better on the 360 due to the difference in installed user bases. It's hardly fair to say the 360 games are "better" because more people have 360s at this moment in time. It got a one-year head-start, yes?

And you basically shot yourself in the foot by naming the great consoles on the PS3 and then trying to say the 360 and Wii have a competing list, and all you could provide for the 360 was Left 4 Dead (questionable "AAA" at best), Gears of War 2 (the only truly legitimate blockbuster), Fable II (dare we remember the failed hype of the original?), and Bioshock, which is coming to the PS3 this year, and as the best version available. How exactly does any of that compete with the exclusives I listed for the PS3? On what planet does that compete?

Furthermore, you say that 2008 is supposed to be the "year of the PS3" but it isn't turning out the way. …why? Do you honestly believe that Blu-Ray's victory, MGS4, LBP, Resistance 2, PlayStation Home, and the rest of it don't EASILY eclipse the likes of what…Gears 2 and Too Human for the 360? Hell, MGS4, Resistance 2, and LBP eclipse that and we haven't even TALKED about anything else PS3-related yet! Anything else the 360 or Wii has that's all kinds of mind-boggling in 2008? Something the PS3 doesn't have? EVERYONE knows the PS3 is leading this year, including analysts, and you say you use facts to back up what you said. So where are they?

And no, we're not going to stop complaining about the Wii. It has been almost two years, and ALL we have is the Mario, Zelda and Metroid. That's it. That's all. The PS3 had more than that in the first six months, and has had more than that in 2008 alone. Same for the 360. I will not stop complaining when a system has no software. Period. On top of which, if you honestly believe ANY hardcore gamer is going to play the likes of Call of Duty 5 on the freakin' Wii, or any other multiplat game for that matter…well, many will have difficulty understanding that stance.

Sorry, but to say the PS3 is in the "worst" spot is ridiculous and you did nothing to back up that claim. Very few, even loyal 360 and Wii followers, will agree with what you said because it's blatantly wrong. You completely ignore the points made in my article as if to claim the Blu-Ray victory, PlayStation Home, vastly increased software library, far superior hardware reliability (in comparison to the 360), and everything else is irrelevant somehow. That's just a bad way to go about proving your case. So please, don't turn this into a huge war. You're not right, here, and no "fanboys" are jumping at you. People who don't respect lame claims are jumping at you, and that's just fine by me.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 8/16/2008 10:50:18 AM

MirrorSoul
MirrorSoul
12 years ago

Thank You Ben 🙂

Brw78
Brw78
12 years ago

Ben:

It's not even that they sell better on 360, it's just the difference of how they sell compared to the PS3. And yes 360 has been out for a year and I don't really recall saying the games on 360 were "better", if I did what I was saying was there is more variety because it has been out for a year.

Well I listed more for the 360 than that, Mass Effect series' is planned to finish on this platform so Mass Effect 2 could be coming next year. And there's also Banjo and Kazooie which could end up being a decent little title. Bioshock is coming to the PS3 but is it a new game or is it a late port? If that's the case at least 360 stole exclusives before they were released and not after. Many people liked Fable anyways, so you can't say it was a huge disappointment.

Anyways though it competes with your list because Killzone 2 and God Of War 3 won't come out until next year (God Of War could be longer) and the big hits for this year are Resistance 2 and LittleBigPlanet. And LittleBigPlanet is expected to move units how? Sorry but that's not a big name exclusive in my mind, I get the sense of a juiced up casual game on Wii but with level editing, strong online and visuals. And Wii has a good lineup currently, maybe not in your books (which isn't a surprise LULZ) but to many Wii owners it is. For a year and a half Wii owners have been waiting for strong third party support, and its coming to Wii this year and continuing on into the next. Conduit, MadWorld, Tenchu 4, Fatal Frame 4, Call Of Duty 5, NHL 2k9, those things will help Nintendo because it's what Wii owners have been waiting for, it may not interest you and it may look weak compared to other platforms but it's what Wii owners have wanted. Animal Crossing in December, Mario, Zelda and Pikmin out next year? I don't see how it doesn't compete, and the planet it competes on is Earth.

Home, games and Blu-Ray victory? Didn't Blu-Ray win in 2007? Anyways thats besides the point, yes those things have helped but many could argue that the other platforms have had good online experiences (Live) and games. My point is units still aren't flying off shelves, and game sales are low. You need to do all of those things in my mind to "win" the year, and to be fair no one has done that yet. All I was saying was PS3 owners, analysts and the like have said it'd be Sony's year and I was just arguing against it, comparing it to the other platforms and showing how PS3 doesn't have a decisive edge like so many people think.

All those first party titles from Nintendo in about a year and a half of the Wii existing? Sounds pretty good to me, and Wii has had other software and is getting more and more each month. 360 has had good software for 3 years now, both of those consoles have software. 360 is also getting a new dashboard and other goodies which many are looking forward to. PS3 didn't have more than that in it's first six months either though (sounds kinda fanboyish to me). Wii owners will play those multiplatform games, the one's with just a Wii and the one's waiting for those titles to finally come out that's what I was getting at.

360's are more reliable anyways now, the hardware's been revamped and chances of RROD are like 6-10 % now or something. And if I'm not mistaken this was about the console war, so I can go about how I talk about consoles how I please. You talked about the consoles and I replied back with facts, with games coming etc, numbers of games sold.

There's no need to get uptight now, you seem a little edgy. Last line's not rude or intimidating, it's more immature than anything but it's no biggie. I'm just trying to have a good discussion with people and talk about all the consoles, but some people need to take off their PS3 goggles. With the way this guys acting up they're getting a little foggy…

cheng
cheng
12 years ago

*bow 2 ben* xD

Hull
Hull
12 years ago

Microsoft has its own set of problems, mainly that the hardware was faulty crap from launch. Still, they had NOTHING 8 years ago, and are now nose to nose with Sony worldwide. They have also done a much better job securing exclusives….the 360 has a better game roster than the PS3 now, and probably for the rest of this generation. Credit that to the amount of games (especially 3rd party), that the system sells. Yes, its main market is North America, but that's the biggest market in the world.

Nintendo has problems too, even if all you hear about it is the amazing hardware sales. Its main problem is that it can't sell games made by anyone BUT Nintendo. Madden on the Wii doesn't even chart. It's also questionable how they can provide an upgrade path for the Wii (a Wiii 2). Still, they went from a niche player to the big name. They got their mindshare and mojo back. They came in at the right price while Sony and Microsoft were asking for way too much.

The PS3 is definitely in worst shape. It lacks many big exclusives and can't rely on the free ones it used to get (those go to the 360 now, cause it leads in game sales).

The PS2 was dominant, and the PS3 is in 2nd place only if you look at the numbers creatively (lets not count Wii hardware, North America as a whole or game sales anywhere).

Online is a complete disaster for the PS3. A total embarrassment. PSN means 'devs do it themselves', and they haven't. They are still trying to catch up to features XBL had 5 years ago. How Sony thought they could be a powerhouse in gaming and ignore online play…is bewildering. Achievements were obviously a great idea when the PS3 launched….why was it not there? They were dumb to ignore what the competition was doing. Nintendo got by here cause their fans don't expect it….PS3/360 fans DO.

And, PSN is free cause it's a DIY network. Home has a development, support, maintenance costs to make up…..it's not going to be free, and that's a guarantee. Sony lost so much market here, cause if you are going to pay….will you pay for the Second Life clone or the place where all your friends are already playing? Exactly.

The worst part about the PS3 is that it's guaranteed to have a short life. 2010. That's when the next XBOX will probably launch, and when the PS4 HAS TO launch (or they risk falling even further behind). I'm a developer, so I know the PS3 will be almost impossible offer backwards compatibility for. It will also be dropped like a bad habit by devs when the next gen launches.

Sony lost a lot this console generation. Still, they made the right moves over the last year. The system survived and Sony has enough credibility intact to pave the way for a solid PS4…if they play their cards right and pay attention to what the market wants.

www
www
12 years ago

Brw, stop mentioning that stupid Banjo Kazooie sh*t.Dat's a pure IMITATION of Ratchet n Clank,how the f*ck you gon name it Banjo Kazooie Nuts n Bolts,we done seen enuff bolts n nuts in Ratchet already.Microsoft this generation,are just robbin off ps3 on everythan they got.First they ditch out money to steal all our exclusives like ffxiii,gta n now they wish to bribe Hideo Kojima for MGS 4.

No hate for 360 i must admit i admire there controller even thogh it's bulkier than dualshock 3,I got nun against 360,but i just want them to be original n be happey with there gears n Halo.Sony aint ditchin out money for Halo,they always lookin for sumthin new,look at lil big planet,i guess MS will rob ps3 of that one too.

Please, 360 got no innovation,just robbin n stealin anythan they can,look how they treated HD DVD like a pu**ies,just dumped them off when they lost,they had no trust in hd dvd winnin in the first place so dat explains why 360 aint got hd dvd drive built in,MS dont really believe in themselves,they always scared somebodyelse gonna take over,like some paranoia bullsh*t.Just look how the rushed the system just to beat ps3,if they weren't scared they coulda waited n released the same time,but they were scared ps3 will win!!
360 it's okay but i can buy there product when they don't believe in theyselves.The console doesn't even believe in itself n rrod's any moment.

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Banjo Kazooie released 4 years before ratchet and clank FOOL. they were imitating a future release??? LOLOLOL And sony can't get Halo guy thats a microsoft title. You really have to check your facts man your statements are ridiculous.


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Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
12 years ago

Hull: stop talking. Nothing you said is even remotely correct. I'm not going to bother with that mess, and PLEASE, nobody else should, either. Just ignore it…it's not fair to people who actually know what they're talking about.

BRW: You still refuse to acknowledge any of the facts I posted, and until you do, I'll ask you to step down off the faulty soapbox. Thanks.

Everyone else: Don't let yourselves be drawn into flaming wars. It's still mostly civil for now, but I know where this is headed, so just pass on any long, drawn-out arguments. It won't get you anywhere with people who won't concede a single solitary point.


Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 8/16/2008 12:00:49 PM

tramp_17
tramp_17
12 years ago

I really hate this crap,honestly.I own more than one platfrom and there ps3,psp,ps2 ,i've got to say i love my ps3 the most and one thing about it is the i have no worries the ps3 is built for the future (blu ray, 7 cores,)and it is reliable.

i only wish that all of you would look at yoursleves and think this is sad talkin about who will win this generation,why not just talk about who will be able to live on the moon first me or u.its undicided yet ,but wat you could argue about who is reaching this point faster ps3 or xbox360,i know who'd i'd invest in……and i have.
keep up the good work ben,love the articles.

Governator5000
Governator5000
12 years ago

I have all three platforms and enjoy all for different reasons. But i do have to agree the ps3 is the one that im most excited about in the coming years and its also the one i will play the most. Exclusives like Resistance 2,LBP,Socom etc. On the topic of BRW, and hull, They both don't know what they are talking about. You can't compare banjo kazooie to anything, it hasn't been around for like 10 years. I don't think it will make an impact. Gears of war2 is the only game that i will buy for 360 in the coming year. Mass effect 2 "Could" come out this year, but i can say flying cars "could" come out this year as well. Fable 2 seems like more of the original. And wow the RROD is down to like 6-10 % you say, still sounds pretty high compared to less than 1%. If i were to buy a new system now, i would get ps3, if my 360 stopped working i wouldn't buy another.HULL, you really have no idea what your talking about do you, the ps3 will have a longer lifespan than the 360, the next microsoft system will probably be pretty similar to the ps3. Ps3 will be around for quite a while especially with the next gen format of blu-ray. I have nothing against wii, but nintendo plays the same game every generation, it plays its mario,zelda,and metroid cards but after that ???????. Anybody who's going to buy COD5, probably has a 360 or ps3 and wont buy it for wii. Wii needs more third party games specific to wii, not hardcore games watered down from the more powerful consoles. I love all my systems, but i think ps3 will win in the long run.

PS. Enough with the fanboys trolling for comments on here. It might make you feel special like you have a purpose in life but its quite annoying to everyone else talking about the facts.


Last edited by Governator5000 on 8/16/2008 12:42:59 PM

cheng
cheng
12 years ago

if Hull is a developer(of games) then i'm the owner of this site, made multi million $$ every year, own half of new york n las vegas, my best frens are bill gate, president george bush, osama bin ladin(o.0) my girlfrens jessica alba(shes like the only hottest chick i know from america really n i cant remember wats the name of the chick in transformer) n i have a body exactly like jin kazama(the 1 shown on the ps3 with the most realistic graphics i ever seen), thank you 🙂

pavlovic
pavlovic
12 years ago

"i cant remember wats the name of the chick in transformer"
Megan Fox, but she's my wife!

Nightshade386
Nightshade386
12 years ago

I don't really care about the whole "winning" and "losing" nonsense that fanboys get caught up in. I'm not a shareholder, so I have no real and tangable vested interest. All I know is that when I look at the short list of PS3 exclusives, very few of them appeal to me. Thus the system still is not worth my $400.

Exclusive games for the PS3 that interest me: God of War 3, Infamous, and whatever Team ICO "might" be working on. That really just about sums it up.

Exclusive and Multiplatform games that interest me that I can buy on the 360 that I already own: Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Gears of War 2, Too Human, FFXIII, Fable 2, Bionic Commando, Fallout 3, The Force Unleashed, Prototype, Madden '09, Ninja Gaiden 2 (haven't gotten to it yet), Legendary, Fracture, Far Cry 2, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, Lord of the Rings Conquest, CoD WaW, Tomb Raider Underworld, Prince of Persia, Left 4 Dead, Infinate Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4, Last Remnant, Red Faction, Resident Evil 5, and Ghostbusters (assuming it's still alive).

So look at how many games I want to play that I can get for a system I already own. Compare it to the amount of time I actually have available to play. Then look at the small list of PS3 exclusives that actually appeal to me, and it's pretty easy to understand why I feel no need to buy a PS3.

And there are a lot of other gamers out there who feel the same way. That may change as more and more exclusives come out and people like myself are forced to take notice and eventually get a 2nd system. But that day is not today. Nor is it likely to be this year, or next.

AceTatsujin
AceTatsujin
12 years ago

Go back to your 360 website if the PS3 is not worth your $400.

You don't want superior system? You don't want the new technology, Blu-ray? You aren't interested in the best Media machine? And the free-service that is getting offered? And its exclusives? Please … get lost.

Nightshade386
Nightshade386
12 years ago

Fanboys are so funny. I made a point about my own tastes, and all you can respond with is a variation of "XBOX sux." Whatever.

food86
food86
12 years ago

Thinking with a clear head and looking at sales this year the ps3 has passed the 360 in many ways. Sure the 360 had a headstart but they are clearly losing ground. As far as game this year the only thing thing xbox has got going is gears 2 and fable 2. People thinking that lbp will not sell is completely wrong. Lbp will move systems for parents that want a blu-ray and intertainment for their little ones. As far as multiplat goes both systems will have them. I on the other hand am not looking forward to jrpgs or gears or mass so the xbox doesn't appeal to me in any way. and I am sure as hell not losing 50 dollars to pay for live when I can play for free on the psn. Everbody has their own pov or their fav systems and my so happens to be the ps3. In the long run ps3 wins. xbox is leading(not counting wii) but look how much ground they've lost so far.