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Editorial: No, Women Are Not Ruining Your Games

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(@Chris Gow)
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You'll have to show me the statistics for female soldier deaths in the war. Not at home, not civilians, on the front line in the mud. Or is your arguement that "it's what the fans want". Yet here we are, the fans saying it's nonesense. You can't just change history to be politically correct.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 10:44 am
(@Ryan Hartmann)
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PSXE is not "the gaming press" at large and neither am I. If you have a beef with other sites' editors calling you a neckbeard or a basement dweller, you'll need to take it up with them.

Pointing out sexist comments of the type highlighted by this article is not being disrespectful; it is merely observing and commenting on that behavior, and those types of comments are objectively sexist.

If you disagree with any point of this editorial and want to continue discussing it, that's more than welcome. No one is required to agree with me or any other PSXE staffer, and no one is prohibited from criticizing my work if they don't like it.

However, when debating or discussing topics with other members of the community, in this or any other article on PSXE, you need to maintain a civil tone, as do they. Name calling, personal attacks and insults by *anyone* are off limits. It's that simple, and it's non-negotiable.

Thank you for reading.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 10:57 am
(@Rogueagent01)
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Just look up any of the documentaries or books on Russian Female Snipers. Nearly 2,000 served and only 500 made it through the war. That was just one role that women served in WWII in Russia they also served as pilots, tank operators, medics, gunners.

The amount of deaths that women had has no bearing on those that served.

Oh and yes your opinion is irrelevant, so is mine, they(EA) are the only opinions that matter since they are creating the game, if they want to put aliens in it they can and neither of us could do anything about it.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 10:57 am
(@Chris Gow)
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That's no True, battlefield games have always picked a war that was known, it had weapons and vehicles that were relevant to that setting or point in history. They take bullet drop and vehicle physics seriously as well as the firearms. So saying it's a cartoon war game makes you look ignorant.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 10:57 am
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"You can't just change history to be politically correct"

Now go say that in a mirror several times, or as many times as is needed for it to sink in.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 10:57 am
(@Obo Agboghidi)
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Are you purposely acting dense. It seems people are pretty what they object to.

There is a difference between ignoring historical accuracy due to functional reasons(we are not actually shooting guns. We are clicking a mouse) compared to demanding us to believe in a lie.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 10:57 am
(@Chris Gow)
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I know, bringing up trump in a discussion about our video gaming hobby. Maybe you should just call me a racist misogynistic white man as well. Go all out

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 10:57 am
(@Chris Gow)
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What? Sorry I thought I was having a sensible conversation with an Adult.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 11:03 am
(@Chris Gow)
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Of course the amount of deaths is relevant. And I know about the Russian female brigade. But 1500 deaths compared to millions of men is a shocking different. Changing history is massivelly disrespectful to the sacrifices men have had to make for centuries. So our lack of ability to change anything means we shouldn't discuss it? So what's your opinion piece right here doing?

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 11:03 am
(@sawao_yama)
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You are misogynistic, you are crying that virtual women are ruining your gaming. Bigot

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 11:22 am
(@sawao_yama)
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So you are ok with bigotry? Which is exactly what you are showing in this article. Nothing to see here, just a bunch of manchildren crying like their leader in office.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 11:22 am
(@Chris Gow)
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Good job you fucking idiot

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 11:22 am
(@Foreseer117)
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Thank you. I just saw it marked as spam and I feared the worst, given I've experienced such a thing before.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 11:58 am
(@Rogueagent01)
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So in a way using your logic, you could argue America didn't even participate in the Persian Gulf war. Seeing as we had only 149 KIA vs. at minimum 100,000 Iraqi soldiers. Even when they reviewed the status of the US Vets 10 years later the number only climbed to around 5,000, many of which were suspected gas attacks.

Deaths are not relevant to the status of serving in a theater or the military for that matter.

And the snipers were only one part of the over 800,000 women Russia deployed. So the total number is gonna be much higher than 1,500. And again this is only Russia i've talked about many nations used woman on the front during WWII.

You need to understand i come from a military family, i'm one of the only people in my family that didn't enlist, so yes i am offended when you try to act like a group didn't participate because they suffered a much lower mortality rate. That will offend anyone who has served.

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 12:04 pm
(@Ryan Hartmann)
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Well I'm glad we've at least moved on from the factually indefensible argument that women never fought on the front lines. At least we're getting somewhere 🙂

The number of women who fought on the front lines is entirely irrelevant, even if your argument is about historical accuracy. This game is not claiming that women were a dominant, ever present force on the battlefield, just that they were *there* (and they absolutely were).

But again, this misses the point since DICE has never claimed that Battlefield games are intended to be even remotely historically accurate. And nobody ever cried about historical accuracy until black people and women started showing up in the games, despite there being a blatant disregard for all aspects of history in all previous games.

If you want historical accuracy in your war games, you most definitely have options. You can play Verdun, or Post Scriptum. Battlefield is not the hill you want to die on if historical accuracy is your main complaint, because this should be a series you never bothered with to begin with.

If you're going to ignore all the other ways in which this series (and others) distort or just plain ignore history, it seems a bit odd to suddenly be very concerned about history as it relates specifically to this one issue.

It's just a woman, fellas. They're all over the place, even on the Battlefield 🙂

 
Posted : 18/08/2018 12:04 pm
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