Ben-DutkaDuke Nukem Forever was a mess. A travesty. But I've decided that Duke doesn't deserve to go out like this and after hearing Kamiya volunteer for the Devil May Cry reboot , I got to thinking…
Who can resurrect Duke? Who can raise him from the TKO he just suffered? If anyone can do it, it's Killzone developer Guerrilla. They could add that intensity and brutality we love in the KZ franchise and no, I'm not recommending a complete change in style for the Duke. The brawny, sunglasses-wearing hero is all about lewd, crude, over-the-top cockiness. And we can keep that, but I still think if we're going all out, we should add some blood and gore. Keep the strippers and the cheesiness; just add in some of that patented Guerrilla flair.
Of course, other competent FPS developers could give Duke his just due. DICE and Infinity Ward come to mind, as does Insomniac. I only list the latter because their experience with the Ratchet & Clank series means they're familiar with the term "lighthearted," and they could create a brutal yet comical Duke title. Does anyone else have any bright ideas? And don't say Valve unless you add the caveat that they make a new engine for the game; if they use that archaic Source engine, Duke will just remain mired in the past.
I'm still miffed at the whole DNF fiasco. I was willing to tolerate so much, but that was just…horrid.
Not only did he continually call you stupid, he called you….'Benjamin'. Them is fightin' words.
Of course he called me stupid. Anybody who doesn't agree with him is just an ignorant moron. He "gets" what DNF is supposed to be, but nobody else does.
So instead of just being a secure, mature individual and disagreeing respectfully: i.e., "Well, I'm having fun with it," he has to tear down everyone who isn't as "advanced" as he is.
Got no problem with people liking Duke. Pretty sure World likes the game just fine but he doesn't go around ranting and raving about how the people who don't like the game are idiots. And I CERTAINLY never said gamers who enjoy DNF are idiots.
No, only the put-upon blinded fans are hostile. Ironically, they're the ones screaming about the "hostility" in reviews when in fact, there's no more hostility in any of those bad reviews than there is for ANY game that sucks.
Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/18/2011 12:37:07 PM
Lotus, you're being delusional. DNF failed…and just because Guerilla made a military type shooter doesn't mean they don't have the artistic flair to pull off an over the top shooter like DN.
GG can't do a DN game? I don't know they never tried, I wouldn't go around saying they can't if they haven't even tried doing one, developers can surprise even the most harsh critics.
I feel like most the people who bought it and wanted it to be good, are let down but feel like they have to defend it. I don't know I havnt played it yet, my roomate just got it so we will see, I'm very open towards games so it's gotta be be pretty bad for me to say so.
If you like it for your own reasons that's one thing, and very acceptable. But just telling people their view of it is wrong, because yours are somehow more correct, that's just ridiculous.
Lol.
I'm being called delusional by people being delusional.
I never called people idiots for not liking the game.
Never called Ben stupid, rather, this editorial.
Never have i stated i like DNF or that i am having fun with it.
Instead, i am being bombarded with hostility for backing up a "broken game"…isn't that what i was accused of?
There's so much defensive behaviour from you Ben, you must be unsure of your own editorial.
Your putting words in my mouth…"anyone who doesn't agree with him is an ignorant moron" are you name calling these people because i have never said or given off any such hostility. Your getting defensive.
""Well, I'm having fun with it," he has to tear down everyone who isn't as "advanced" as he is." again, i never stated whether im having fun with it…and never torn down anyone else here about it…look back at your review thread, did i challenge it? As advanced as me? You're putting me in this light, i've not done anything to put anyone below me. You're getting defensive.
I'm not screaming about anything. I stated many times that i was merely balancing things out. It's just a game.
There you go again with the arrogance (something im accused of), challenging the designer of Borderlands on his own game. The game is loaded on 90s gunplay with adult humour.
My review isn't even written up and you claim i'm ignoring 99% of what's going on, where's the logic in that? Oh, right, i'm predictable. I will review it as any other game. If this game is shat, than that's my view….
I remain calling this editorial atrociously stupid…because it is. This editorial is not your view on the game, it's what you have said should happen to it…and it's astonishing. A laughing stock.
So no, stop being defensive/delusional, i didn't call you stupid…and whatever else you accuse me of.
Oh and my promised rebuttal – *Links your own editorial*
🙂
Right. Saying what I wrote is idiotic and stupid isn't the same thing as calling me stupid.
…way to split hairs on that one.
But whatever. You know more than everyone, so make sure we all read your editorial so we can be educated. One guess- you've never admitted you've been wrong about anything in your entire life, have you?
Well outside of all this triviality, I think Borderlands is much closer in *style* and *approach* to Duke Nukem than any other recent gen titles. Not in story or gameplay but just the vibe it lets off.
That's because it's basically the only non-military shooter anybody even knows.
yeah I guess so but not only that. Like the attitude of the characters. They look like badasses who don't care and the way they speak and things they do. The story is also silly but there is a lot of gore (even if cartoony). I know in the core they don't look like each other Borderlands being mainly a shooter rpg but in the attitude I am pretty sure they are the most alike.
Borderlands is still softer than Duke but if you played it… Don't you remember all the things the bosses said and all the stuff we could do and the dark humor and art everywhere and sexual innuendos? That is the reason why I think they are similar in attitude and vibe. Since they already had the guts to go that direction I would think they would be well suited to do the sequel. They messed up a bit and we can't deny it but I still find it lotsa fun and I hope they do one more and fix it all.
On that matter I think bulletstorm devs would do good also. I just don't want Duke to have to start comboing and juggling monsters XD
Last edited by Neo_Aeon666 on 6/19/2011 7:12:57 AM
"Right. Saying what I wrote is idiotic and stupid isn't the same thing as calling me stupid." …lol no it's not, Ben. Oscar Wilde wrote awful things about women, but he's renowned for his intellect….and no, Ben, i am not comparing you to a great poet…merely making a point.
"But whatever. You know more than everyone, so make sure we all read your editorial so we can be educated. One guess- you've never admitted you've been wrong about anything in your entire life, have you?" ….Have you?
"That's because it's basically the only non-military shooter anybody even knows."
Half Life 2
Quake 4
Bulletstorm
Resistance
Wolfenstien
Prey
FEAR
Timeshift
Singularity
All well known and none military. All but one (if that) have no relation to Duke. Borderlands does…take your own advice and "admit it".
*links your own editorial*
Neo – You see the obvious….no reply to that though because it means owning up to being wrong.
Last edited by Lotusflow3r on 6/19/2011 11:05:20 AM
I believe that Gearbox can make a good Duke Nukem game, but they have to build it from scratch. Broussard and 3DRealms royally screwed this game up, Gearbox polished it the best they could and shipped it. As the old saying goes "You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd".
the guys who made singularity know how to pull off a good fps, why don't we let them take a crack at it
i don't think gg is a good fit for duke. they arre kind of dry and technical which is the exact opposite of duke.
gearbox seems like a good fit. it just does not look like they put a whole lot of time into this game. most projects with troubled developement cycles often run into this problem of not meeting expectations. there a reason dnf did not get released over those 12 yrs. it wasn't good enough.
Well for one I do not think any Dev can fix Duke Nukem if we are looking at all the other current games out this gen. None of them dared to put all the crap they put in Duke Nukem. Dood did you ever see another game published in america where your main character starts off by getting his thing blowed. Or a game that has females put in a very weird situations revolving around tentacles. Or a game that had all those freaking dark funny stupid comments.
NO. They all lack the balls to do so and they all fear the ESRB ( Heck I wonder how this new Duke got past the ESRB without AO rating ). If any other Dev takes Duke Nukem the game might have better graphics but it will become a soft Duke, *lighthearted*, boring. Duke is not silly. Duke is violent, egocentric, perverted, macho and a total badass.
If anything I think 2K gearbox is the only Dev that came close to Duke with Borderlands. Now lots of people don't like it but I like it the way it is. All the other devs would make this game just another boring war game with some mild lyrics. I am not saying all the other games are boring but Duke is meant to be the way it is at the moment. Plain stupid funny entertaining and freaking gore and perverted. lol and I dont think any other Dev would dare to do those things.
Last edited by Neo_Aeon666 on 6/18/2011 1:02:43 PM
I was fair to the Duke with my 6.5
That's very fair.
Last edited by Lotusflow3r on 6/18/2011 7:55:06 PM
It would have to be a Playstation exclusive then.
I rarely post comments here, but i read almost every article this site post's. But the guy bashing Ben for writing a negative review on a game is just ridiculous, GET OVER IT!. I enjoy the articles but i rarely read reviews. I don't know why people let reviews affect their decision making so heavily. I buy a game because i want to play it, if you like something that someone else doesn't who cares. I am actually enjoying DNF and disagree with what the reviewers are saying, i don't think it should be a 3, but its no where close to a 10. It should be a 6 maybe 7. On topic i think gearbox could have done better with a fresh start, GG might have done better, insomniac would be an interesting choice as well.
Some people are just delusional solidsnakins. Ben's idea was just that…an idea.
No need to go all over how it's the worst idea in the world blah blah blah.
Seriously, some people need to shut the F down. I respect your love for Demon's Souls and White Knight Chronicles Lotus, but you're acting like an arrogant a-hole with this Duke Nukem fiasco.
i've never seen such a low scoring game defended so much by a select few. it would be like me trying to argue nuaghty bear was great when it got a 3.8 i think. i mean i get it. it's nostalgia.
if some people enjoyed the game good for them.
I have never challenged Bens review. Others have, i haven't. I have called out Venom filled reviews, though…and i never linked Ben's review to that. I believe my own words to his review were "i echo much of what Ben has said".
Never said i enjoy the game (I may do enjoy it, though, if you care, read my review)…and stated over and over that i am balancing things out because some still enjoy it or believe. Too much negativity isn't a good thing.
Again, i have not challenged any review of DNF here…
But, hey, i'm the one that's supposed to be delusional.
Last edited by Lotusflow3r on 6/18/2011 7:46:42 PM
Lotus, stop desperately trying to defend yourself. It's pathetic.
In your first post, you called what I wrote stupid. You asked if it was a joke. Later you said it was absurd. You hinted that PSXE won't ever be trusted again because of its DNF review. You said, "I find that funny." You linked to someone who "knows what he's talking about" with the obvious implication that I don't.
Stop backtracking, be a man, and just accept that you overreacted with your characteristic MASSIVE ego.
I hear discriptions of yourself with your words for me, Ben.
It just seems your the one unable to deal with being wrong.
AGAIN, i was laughing at this editorial, not your review (even IF i may not agree with any point of it ).
You took my words "i find that funny" in a negative sense…was that me agreeing when i said that? If anything, finding it funny hints more at laughing at that notion…but you read it otherwise…which again paints you as unsure of your own thoughts.
You're the one getting defensive, not me. I'm just correcting absurdities that you accused me of which would get me banned if i had done the same to you…you're reading too much into my writings because you may be insecure of your own editorials or whatever. You're just outright labelling me and making up scenarios about me.
And back-tracking? How am i? Please help me out there. If anything i doubly labelled this editorial with negative descriptions in follow up posts…surely i am still going forward.
Yes, a massive ego…ok, Ben.
I honestly think that Ben has the larger Ego. But that's just me…But I am really enjoying reading this discussion between the two of you! =]
Yeah Guerilla does seem like the types to do it. Either them or the guys behind Bulletstorm
oh yah I forgot about bulletstorm. Well as long as you dont have to start jugling with your kills like in Bulletstorm it could be good. Their style fits.
it strange the people who are playing it even those duke3d fans… are having a blast playing it.. a ton of reviewer are being harsh on the game comparing it to games of today… yet we knew months ago that it isnt going to look better than the current games…
keep in mind that this game is exactly how george envisioned the game to be down to every last detail… gearbox just finished it so it can be released.. and from what i understand randy does plan on doing another duke game,
Interesting idea, but I'd like to see what GearBox can do by themselves this time around. I'm really enjoying DNF right now, it's very fun! All the people I know, fans or not, are also enjoying it immensely. I'm not sure why the critics hated it and I probably never will. At least most of the people playing the game enjoy it. Critic, fan, or regular player; we all have different tastes. For example, I didn't enjoy inFamous all that much even though a lot of people did. Does that make me wrong? No, it makes me different. Which we all are! I think Critics might have tried to review it too hard. If that even makes sense. But I guess that's their job.
Anyways, I'd give DNF a 7 to 8 out of 10. That's my personal view on the game. I hope GearBox knows that a lot of people actually enjoyed the game. =/
Gearbox do know a lot of people enjoy the game and Randy said the "critics" will be held accountable. I agree.
Anyway, that's all i tried to say regarding DNF lol that people are enjoying it and don't undestand the hate, so i offered alternative independent reviews for example. They see it as unjustified. I guess that video i posted hit home a bit lol.
As soon as i platinum the game and reach at LEAST level 25 in multiplayer, i think then i will have a solid opinion on DNF to write a detailed review and post it to many outlets.
Take Two has already stated that there will be more Duke Nukem in the future. So perhaps they will be able to do the game that Duke truly deserves. Though this one is still enjoyable.