Ben-DutkaWell, we probably should've been able to predict the results, but we honestly believed the Call of Duty craze had impacted the PSXE readership.
But according to the latest poll result, it really hasn't. Nearly 60% of those who voted said they're just tired of Activision's blockbuster franchise, and aren't interested in any of the upcoming titles. One of the big complaints we often hear is the over-saturation of shooters on the market today, along with the fact that we apparently require a CoD entry every single year. So yeah, we can understand how it all gets a little tiring. That being said, though, exactly 1/4 of participants believe Treyarch can bang Black Ops out of the park; they evidently put plenty of faith into the World at War designer. So there are still some hopeful PSXE readers out there and for our part, we just want to play great games…don't really care about the name on the box. We're also intrigued by that "adventure/FPS" Call of Duty installment by Sledgehammer Games, but we need more information before passing further judgment.
This week, we'd like to know what you think about the new Mass Effect 2 on PS3 announcement. While on the surface it appears to be a 100% good for fans of Sony's machine, some have asked how it's worthwhile without the original title. Furthermore, as it won't be here until January, some are wondering if they'll even care by that time; that's a pretty big gap between the 360 and PS3 releases. So what say you?
So you are saying that because game A sells tons of copies, that must indicate the quality of the game?
More people eat at McDonalds than will ever eat at Ruth's Chris, does that mean that McDonalds quality is high and matches that of Ruth's Chris? I don't think so.
Quantity is never an indicator of quality.
Come on HL.
His point is a fair one is you dissect it.
'My point is there must be some appeal, some good, or some quality to MW2 if it sold like that'
The numbers are just too big to ignore using the quantity is never a measure of quality statement.
The quality is in how much you enjoy playing it. So you and jawknee dont like it, does that make everyone who did enjoy it wrong for enjoying it?
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Highlander is correct. There are some things in this world that just aren't good and just because a majority likes it doesn't change the fact it still sucks.
Quality does not equal how much you enjoy it. That's a tad asinine. I would enjoy a guitar made in Japan just as much as one made in America but its a known fact the American made guitar will be better quality goods.
Want a game analogy? Some enjoy the Xbox more than the PS3 but again, ts a known Fact the PS3 is better quality
Last edited by Jawknee on 8/23/2010 5:56:39 PM
quantity never measures quality. EVER. But in some instances it is true.
In most cases though its all about opinion. If Black OPS sells a good amount of games, then its apparent that most of those people who played and bought MW2 are playing black ops. Which means to them they enjoy it. I will be one of those people!
I for one think the cod is a quality game; and that is one reason why it has sold in huge quantities.
Because you think it sucks does not make it a bad game for myself and countless others.
'If CoD was a PS3 exclusive it would likely be a much better game.' Please elaborate why this would be the case?
I've never said it isn't a quality game, but being a 'quality' game doesn't mean I have to like it. Saw 12 could be the best Saw movie ever made, it could have the highest production values of any movie ever made, it could have the highest quality of sound and visual production ever, but it would still be nothing more than disgusting piece of torture porn that in my personal opinion should never be made.
I'm not saying that CoD MW2 is the equivalent of Saw 12, or torture porn, I am simply making the point that the fact that something is a quality production does not necessarily mean I will, or should like it.
You're asking this question about Mass Effect 2, I'm wondering the same question about Castle Crashers. I played it to death already on my friend's 360, will I still want it when it comes to my PS3?
Mass Effect 2 is different, because I haven't played it, so it really depends on what else is releasing at the time it comes out.
black ops is still gunna sell like hotcakes. if u don't like call of duty, its just fine with me. theres other titles like medal of honor, or killzone 3 u can play.
im personally getting all 3! they all look fantastic. ill get GT5 later
People who bash the CoD franchise are clueless not only about what makes an fps great, but about gaming in general.
Why so many want to come to a news article and hold hands while humming the CoD hate mantra is beyond me.
As for Mass Effect 2, I know that the original Mass Effect will be on PS3 around the same time so there's no real issue at hand.
Im glad the majority of you are starting to see the light. COD is on the downslide, it's a joke. Black Ops will sell, because of all the suckers out there who like spending money on worthless titles that some lazy developer made. I wont spend a dime on this, but if you are willing to give it away for free, I 'll find a nice spot under my beer for it.
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at least now your neautral on the matter! 😉
I love the COD games and I lok forward to Black Ops, COD 8 and MW3. Thumb me down for liking a franchise.
Do you get thumbed down for liking Final Fantasy or Twisted Metal Black I doubt it lol 🙂
again good point. But still shades of gray on both sides.
But CoD falls into the twitch category and the twitch category falls into the category that is destroying gaming.
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Gaming was built on twitch. Arcade twitch, designed to suck quarters from your pockets.
Personally, I'm all for the demise of twitch gaming, but THAT is actually the trend, not vice versa.
The mainstreaming of gaming has led to a reduction in the amount of twitch.
Just take shooters: most shooters involve MUCH more tactical thinking and non-shooting elements than something like Quake or Unreal.
Twitch is on the decline, much to the chagrin of old school gamers (you know, the ones who praise games for being punishingly hard).
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Is gaming being destroyed?
yea, it is.
When a single game in a predominant genre outsells several of the best games of other genre (collectively)? Then yes, I would have to say that there is some evidence to suggest that first person shooters, and twitch gaming at very least are distorting the gaming industry.
"When a single game in a predominant genre outsells several of the best games of other genre (collectively)?"
Ummm…Super Mario Bros.?
I guess gaming has already been destroyed. Does that mean we have to stop playing?
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Fane, set them up, I'll shoot them down. If I was looking for a better example of a game that distorts the industry, I could find no better example than Mario. That corpulent mass of games sprawls across Nintendo like a plague. It's the predominant game genre/world on Nintendo as a platform. You, like everyone else, has seen how hard it is for Nintendo to break free of the image that Mario games bring.
gaming needs some games to be extremely successful. It needs that carrot to drive other developers to excellence. But at the same time it needs variety and creativity. That is the side of the industry that is damaged. Nintendo displays this almost perfectly. Even now, the best selling games on Nintendo are Mario games. Where is the variety? Where is the creativity?
I see shooters very much in this same way. Shooters, are shooters. Yes some are really good and some are really crap. There are different settings and what not, but fundamentally the share similar game mechanics and game modes. They are very 'samey' just as one Mario game is, in many ways, much like another Mario game. That is where the creativity and variety become damaged. Other developers see the insane success and try to imitate that game, or incorporate ideas from it into their own. They all want a piece of that success. So instead of pursuing their own path, they give up their own innovation and repeat something someone else already did in the hope of repeating their success.
That is where the danger to the industry is.
But not destroying it.
Yes Twitch games are destroying the industry, look what has happened or is happening to: Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, all great franchises warped almost beyond recognition due to that fact that twitch gaming is changing the model of what games sell. and IMHO FPSs are the worst of them, and since you put CoD on such a high pedestal, its more than fair to blame CoD.
'and since you put CoD on such a high pedestal, its more than fair to blame CoD'
Dont get this it's a totally irrelevant comment.
There's no getting away from the fact that games that people like, are games that sell.
Crack sells are pretty high too. that doesn't make it any less destructive.
Who you gonna believe 10,000 people who say the game is great or 10 people who say it sucks. Some things are no brainers.
Who you gonna believe 10,000 people who say the game is great or 10 people who say it sucks. Some things are no brainers.
Not sure exactly what twitch gaming is. But the real potential destroyer or distorter of gaming is multiplayer. It extends the life of games exponentially. That means people take far more time to buy their next game. Which drive industry sales down. I won't say gaming is being destroyed but multiplayer is definitely changing the sales model and industry landscape.
Twitch gaming – high speed action games that require players to possess very fast reaction times above all other aspects of play. Games that rely more on the reaction time of the player, than the player's skill for player success.
In other words first person shooters as typified by games such as Halo, Call of Duty and the like.
You know Highlander, can you name some games that are so unbalanced in design that twitching dominates all other aspects of play?
Many fast action games do require a lot of knowledge, awareness and SKILL that are coupled with the passage of real time.
I play online fighters quite a bit, particularly Tekken, and online fighting games are some of the most intense action games to ever have been created. The 60fps clock must be taken into account when determining your actions. There are so many factors to calculate where response time alone is only a portion of the whole pie.
To transpose this to online shooters, their is also a whole wealth of skills a person needs to posses to rise above the rest and perform well.
Realize that not everyone aspires to be a pro athlete, or a renowned scholar. I dislike a generalized label that demeans the efforts of those who aiming to become the next Michael Jordon of online gaming.
Simply put, if a person thinks they can hop onto an action game and pep up with a bunch of caffeine and perform so much better than the rest because they're "twitch'n" they're wrong.
And something I wanted to add about your definition of twitch gaming. I think it's important to clarify that twitch gaming is a behavior. It describes the way a person plays a game, not that the game makes twitch gamers out of everyone.
Define it however you like Temjin, I simply stated that in the context of twitch gaming, twitch gamers and the games they play are dominated by games which require quick reaction times above all else. I gave two shooters as examples, I could just as easily mentioned Soul Calibur or Tekken, or any other games of that nature. However arcade fighters have existed since the dawn of the arcade game age, they are not new, and are not really part of the recent upwelling of 'twitch' games or gaming. First Person Shooters, especially first Person Shooters on home video consoles are a comparatively recent phenomenon. The rise of such games parallels the rise of twitch gaming. so I naturally talk of one with the other, they are associated in my opinion. That's not to say that fighting games do not require such quick reflexes, I remember back as far as the arcade versions of games before Playstation really unleashed arcade quality fighters at home. Some people were really good at them, some were not. I don't remember anyone calling them twitch gamers, or describing fighters as twitch games, but it would certainly have been apt had they do0ne so.
"Twitch gaming – high speed action games that require players to possess very fast reaction times above all other aspects of play. Games that rely more on the reaction time of the player, than the player's skill for player success." — Highlander
Everything I've responded with was hung on this line from your definition. Do you not realize that "skill" is proficiency that embodies reaction time in context of action games?
You're trying to separate the two, as you clearly stated in your definition.
As in reaction time > skill when it comes to action games.
As I detailed from my previous response that reaction time is only one component of the whole. To suggest that reaction time alone, or to the greatest degree, is what governs success is false.
Reaction time is the time it takes you to react to an event. It's a physical property of your physiology. You can improve your reaction time, but it's not truly a skill. The skill in action games is in anticipating the move of your opponent, or in seeing the tiny and unique movements that your opponent makes in a particular attack and knowing immediately how to counter it.
Highlander, I see now that we aren't going to see eye to eye on this matter so I'm going to leave it alone.
Peace
Oh I see, thanks. Thank God for the Assassins Creeds, Bioshocks, and Uncharted's of the world. I guess the multiplayer in UC2 could be considered twitch gaming?
Pretty much.
Uncharted 2 is the only multi-player shooter of any kind I enjoy playing. It's definitely an action game that relies on your reaction times. Sure there are strategies and what not, but when you're playing against other people, not AI, it often comes down to reaction times. I'd definitely classify that portion of Uncharted 2 as twitch gaming.
Before anyone says "Aha! Highlander says he doesn't like shooters, but there he plays Uncharted 2 online multi-player"…Uncharted 2 is a third person shooter, not first. I do not like first person shooters in general. I play co-op arena in Uncharted 2 multi-player online so that I am fighting AI controlled opponents, not human beings. It's a philosophical thing for me, I don't prefer shooting avatars of real people, I prefer to mow down mindless drones controlled by the game. Uncharted 2 is very light on blood, and not terribly realistic in terms of the depiction of gore. Because it's a third person shooter, I still see the game character which maintains the perspective of this being a game. In a first person shooter, it is *me* that is in the game, and *me* that is being shot at. That might sound like a razor thin distinction, but to me it is not.
"I prefer to mow down mindless drones controlled by the game" Lol! Hilarious. The graphics and rag doll effects in Uncharted 2's multiplayer are just insane.
Exactly, they're not terribly realistic, are they?
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Seriously, I like a game to look and play like a game. If it get's to visceral or real, I feel uneasy about it. So something like Uncharted 2 with the nice mindless AI controlled drones is perfect.
'Look, no offense, i know you are much younger than i am, and maybe when you have a few more years in this world you'll start to understand that NOT all things in life are Relative and their are some good and bad things in this world that are universal truths.'
Jawknee, sounds like someone is trying to be intellectual. If you as old as you say you are, you'd be able to formulate decent arguments.
We're talking video games here and they are always relative, otherwise you wouldn't be saying cod sucks, as you so succinctly put it.
Last edited by D1g1tal5torm on 8/24/2010 1:59:58 PM
Well guys, I've been running some tests is the lab, and I've come to some startling conclusions based on the evidence I've seen.
1) There are people who like the Call of Duty franchise.
2) There are people who do not like the Call of Duty franchise.
3) These two groups are opposed for some reason.
Fascinating…
I have no bias on the franchise, I liked 1 and 2 and MW1…but disliked 3 and MW2. The original Call of Duty is why I dropped 500 dollars on a set of Logitech Z-680 speakers for my PC.
Oh well, back to DQIX…