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Is The PS3 The Only Console That Can Continue To Advance?

Time flies. I can easily remember when all three current consoles launched, but it took today's article for the time gap to really hit home…it's just hard to believe the PlayStation 3 and Wii are in their fourth years while the Xbox 360 is in its fifth. But it got me to thinking: considering what we've seen as of late, is it safe to assume that Sony's machine is the only one remaining that has further potential? I.e., the only console that can continue to push the envelope and allow developers to do more with their ambitious visions?

The Wii may not factor into the conversation, as technically speaking, it has been essentially the same machine since the moment it released. It sells on the motion-sensing idea and a few top-notch exclusives here and there, but with PlayStation Move and Kinect launching later this year, and given the inherent limitations of the Wii, I doubt Nintendo has much left in the tank. They can still give us our Marios and Zeldas and Metroids and what-have-you, but in terms of "advancing," I think we're just about done. Now, as for the Xbox 360, the most impressive titles are games like Gears of War 2 , Forza 3 and Alan Wake , but they sort of pale in comparison to the likes of Uncharted 2: Among Thieves , Heavy Rain , God of War III , Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots , and Killzone 2 , and in the future, we'll see LittleBigPlanet 2 , Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 3 . The point is, while it's undeniable that later Xbox 360 games certainly outshine the launch titles, I'm not sure we're seeing examples of significant technical improvement in the past year or so.

In other words, once Gears 3 arrives, I think that's the best you'll see from the 360 (unless Halo: Reach really surprises me). While in the meantime, we can all sort of imagine Uncharted 3 , and we have accumulating documented evidence from developers who say they can further optimize with the PS3; they can continue to delve into the machine and extract more potential and power. There was a time when many of those same developers were saying something similar in regards to the 360 but by now, it appears there isn't much left in that console. To reinforce this, more and more designers are using the PS3 as the lead dev platform for their projects and the more this happens, the more the 360 will start to show its age. Lastly, there's a continued belief amongst PS3 fans that in many ways, multiplatform development that includes a less powerful machine is holding the PS3 back .

But of course, the generation isn't over yet. The PS3 may have proven itself as the most capable console by a significant amount, but the gap may continue to widen over time. Look at the PS2 generation: what started with Summoner , Fantavision , Tekken Tag Tournament and X-Squad ended with God of War II , Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater and Final Fantasy XII . So, looking down the road, what can we expect when the PS3 hits its peak…? And is it not safe to assume that the competition is already sitting at their respective peaks?

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spiderboi
spiderboi
14 years ago

For sure! PS3 has now gotten its groove. And with new technologies like Move and 3D to help convince other niche markets, its an undeniable decision in favor for Sony. Just make sure those exclusives stay exclusives 🙂

mike rlz
mike rlz
14 years ago

As the PS3 still has more potential to advance than the 360 or Wii, does that mean we will see more staggered console launches? i.e. new MS/Ninty consoles one year, while the PS3 is still churning things out, and then later on PS4? And if so, will it be the same scenario with 360 launching earlier and getting a foothold? What do you think?

ace_boon_coon
ace_boon_coon
14 years ago

i don't think the next xbox will sell that much. i don't think we as consumers are ready for a new generation just yet. i don't think MS can release another comsole for a few years, cause the 360 has put them into a lot of debt believe it or not.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
14 years ago

-People can't keep dishing out money as if they grow on trees

-Aren't many 360 owners ready to invest in Kinect?

-Consoles can't launch without great games (you need companies willing to spend time and even more money on making games on a new console while missing out on making games for the current established consoles)

-How powerful can Microsoft's new console be if it releases earlier than Sony's? It'll be repeating history again. And this time Sony's console will cost less since blu-ray is already in the market and the Cell processor is going down in price/size. This time Sony can release a more powerful console at around the same price as Microsoft. So Microsoft releasing their console 2 years earlier than Sony's is a bad move. It'll initially cost Microsoft a lot of money OR it will be a SLIGHT upgrade to the 360.

-The industry only moves forward if game developers/publishers want to move ahead. There's so much left to do with the ps3 so most devs will stick around and make a profit out of the established and growing fanbase. Making games for a new console would mean they'll be selling games to smaller consumer base.

Too many factors why Microsoft might lose a lot of support amongst everyone. They can't just call the shots by themselves. You gotta take the consumers, the game developers, and costs into consideration


Last edited by Scarecrow on 6/29/2010 1:10:01 PM

ace_boon_coon
ace_boon_coon
14 years ago

yeah MS won't make a new console until sony announces one. and i agree with scarecrow that wouls be a bad move for MS, cause the ps3's blue ray will be a lot faster and less expensive. what medium would MS use? will they go with blueray?

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
14 years ago

@Cochise,

MS never made a cent of profit from the original Xbox, it soaked them for billions of dollars. The costs of developing the 360 are unknown, but it lost money for the first three years of it's life and thanks to the continuing hardware problems and cost of buying exclusives MS might be making an operating profit on the 360 now, but they are not even close to making back their earlier losses or investments in the design. If MS' console gaming division was an independent company it would have sunk without a trace years ago. I don't see how their investors can justify such an ongoing sea of red ink.

ace_boon_coon
ace_boon_coon
14 years ago

oh yes if MS wasn't a billion dollar corperation, the xbox brand would have put them in the poor house. tbh i actually like the first xbox (not more than ps2) it was durable and not flimsy like the 360.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
14 years ago

Well, had Nintendo put the hardware in the Wii to let it talk to HDTVs, the console hardware in the box could easily have rendered games at better resolutions with more sophistication than we see. I do think that the Wii has some life in it. It's over powered for an SD video game console, so there is scope for further improvement in games.

I do think that the 360 is looking a bit gassed now. I don't think we will see the same kinds of generational leap from this wave of games to the next as we have before.

The PS3 appears to have enough legs in it to manage one or two more waves of games that are visibly better than their predecessors.

A thought that occurs to me is that with Kinect, Microsoft is focusing on casual gamers. Could it be that they will concentrate on trying to make PCs the domain of the hardcore gamers again? As much as they have tried, in two generations Microsoft has not taken control of the video game console industry. Yet they still dominate the PC industry. PCs are becoming more multi-functional, and have always been strong platforms for shooters. Could Microsoft shift their focus to having the 360 as a more casual platform, and the PC as the more hardcore platform?

spiderboi
spiderboi
14 years ago

Oh no!

"CASUAL GAMING!!!"

*hides behind a rock while the hordes of new fanboys run towards Kinect*

ro kurorai
ro kurorai
14 years ago

I sure hope so High.
That way devs can put more effort into PS3 software ^^.

Nah, jk but it certainly is a valid point.

MS tried to snatch PCs FPS crown with their first home console. It didn't work. Same story with their 2nd try.
After seeing Wii's huge success among casuals MS wanna have a slice of the pie as well.

NeoHumpty
NeoHumpty
14 years ago

I've always thought it was a bad move on MS's part to not allow PC games to play on their console. When I first heard of the original Xbox I got excited thinking that was what they were going to do.

kevinater321
kevinater321
14 years ago

but if it could play pc games why wouldn't people just get a computer then? And soon or later you would have to upgrade the specs on it because better games would come out and it couldn't handle it. Maybe if they came out with a new unit every 2 years but no one would really buy it.

ace_boon_coon
ace_boon_coon
14 years ago

didn't sont say they were going to go 10 years. i'm not surprised. you can do so much with the ps3 you won't need another console for years to come. developers still have yet the makes games that fully use the blue ray technology. sony is ahead of it's time. man i love sony (and kevin butler)

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
14 years ago

Nintendo's Wii can live through this

They've already got the casuals
And Mario Galaxy 2 just proves that Nintendo's quality is what truly defines them

They've got some exclusives lined up for this year and for next year.

They can ride out some more years with their art/quality + casual gamers.

But the truth is, the Wii will eventually hit its peak as far as how much interest it'll hold for casuals. I think that's why Nintendo's back to focusing a bit more on the hardcore. We'll see

The 360's the one which has nothing going for it besides uniformed Westerners.

But eventually they'll figure out it's not worth buying a console with no future and no great exclusives (1 or 2 per year). At least I'd like to think they'll figure it out……lol

People like to walk around blindly, one day they'll understand what we meant when we said "ps3 is the true monster this generation."


Last edited by Scarecrow on 6/29/2010 1:22:45 PM

Jawknee
Jawknee
14 years ago

I think Nintendo can squeeze some more juice out of the Wii too.

Skyward Sword sure looks pretty.

Darwin1967
Darwin1967
14 years ago

Nintendo. They are a bit like my parents…drive that subuaru to 240,000 miles, then consider investing in a new car. Nintendo will definately keep the Wii around for a few more years while they continue to focus more on their DS line.

Bjorn77
Bjorn77
14 years ago

A new console would be economic suicide… There is a crisis going one in the world, people sitting on their money. No way large groups of people will spend their hard earned money on a expensive machine.

ace_boon_coon
ace_boon_coon
14 years ago

you got that right. no one is about to spend that kinds of money on a new console. a new console right now would result in a panasonic 3d0 type flop

ro kurorai
ro kurorai
14 years ago

It's simply amazing to see how well Sony's console has developed.
Who would've guessed four years ago that PS3 will boast so much future-proof technology.
I remember how much the media made fun of Sony's exclusives and their decision to go for Blu-Ray.
Now all those decisions turn out to be the best stuff of this console generation.

I can imagine devs finally going deeper into PS3s hardware and producing stellar 3rd party titles that can even surpass their 360 counterparts.

I can't imagine how many third party devs look jealously at Sony Santa Monica Studios, Guerrilla, Naughty Dog and even Quantic Dream, who are third party themselves.

Slow but steady it becomes apparent that all devs invest more time and money into PS3 than they did a few years ago.

It's awesome to see how Sony's attitude and ultimately their ad campaign changed. Jerry Lambert (KB) is a marketing/PR genius and totally hilarious.
KB certainly contributed to PS3s recent success.

I'm looking forward to seeing all devs pushing each other further with each new game. That way everyone wins.

PS3 still has her best years ahead.
And should GOW2/FFXII be any indication how big the gap from day1-development to the console's swan song can be (like TP for GCN, for instance), then there's still lots of amazing stuff to be experienced with PS3.

Dancemachine55
Dancemachine55
14 years ago

What's TP? "Toilet PaperedMania" for the Gamecube? I don't recall that game.


Last edited by Dancemachine55 on 6/30/2010 8:08:22 AM

ro kurorai
ro kurorai
14 years ago

Twilight Princess, Game Cube's swan song 😉

mexgeo86
mexgeo86
14 years ago

The way I see it, we've yet to hear developers say that the ps3 has been maxed out, unlike other consoles. Looking at multiplats, over the last year or so, the ps3 versions have been getting just as good if not slightly better than their xbox counterparts. Exclusives are obviously where we've seen the best aspects of the console since they keep setting the bar higher and higher on what a quality title should be.

With the PSN constantly adding new features and services, the likelihood of the console living out its long 10+ year life cycle is almost a given.

As we look onto motion gaming and 3d gaming, it's good to know our console is more than ready for it.

marcusfrommo
marcusfrommo
14 years ago

to the highlander, i doubt it, the "shooter's console to focus on casual gamers."? i think there up to something. that expensive component they took out of the kinnect, i think it was gig or something that recorded the visual movements faster, will that eventually down the line hurt the kinnect? you know, i would rather they skip the kinnect for this console, and come out with it on there next gen console in 2012 or ealry 2013. by the way, do you believe nintedo will release a newer console 1st in the year 2011, 12 or early 13? if so, i heard it would be comparable to the current ps3 and xbox 360. if that's true, then why wouldn't they have something waaaay better than the current console? i mean, to me, other than the upcoming 3ds and with the billions of dollors i think they have), them off all people coming out with something that plays blue ray or has equal or more storage than blue ray, a better interface,
multitasking, a better line of exclusves games excluding their nintendo remakes, that include rated r and m rated games, 50% or higher quality of graphics is very hard to believe. don't get me wrong, i know they can do it, but that would mean that they would have to charge close to what the 1st gen ps3 and xbox charged when they first came out, and they know where there bread is buttered, toward the cost friendly consumer. WHY release a console comparable to the current systems when in five years or less, it will be outdated by xbox's and sony's next console? oh, by the way do you know of any psp2 rumors? because, i want the psp2 to be as powerful as the ps3. and if that means waiting till 2013, then so be it. what say you?

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
14 years ago

Not sure what it was specifically that MS removed. I believe that the camera used in Kinect originally had enough local CPU and memory to do all the processing itself, but that added so much to the cost that MS had to remove it and rely on the 360 to do the work.

I have no idea what Nintendo's plans are, but based on their past performance I'd say that whatever they do it won't be bleeding edge. I'd guess that they will upgrade the clock speeds in the Wii, add some memory and give the GPU the ability to work in HD modes. They might even include BluRay since it's nearly a commodity drive now anyway.

Either way, Nintendo's past suggests that they will not go for an uber-powerful console.

I doubt that the new PSP will be PS3 compatible in the sense of running PS3 games. The PS3 chipset itself still almost as much as a PSP at retail.

Hezzron
Hezzron
14 years ago

The PS3 can certainly advance, and does. My dream is to see it advance by going backwards and allowing some PS2 compatibility. There's a lot of PS2 gems going for dirt cheap now and I'd be more inclined to buy them if I could pop them in my PS3.

The 360 may not have the legs to advance graphically, but it could with some innovation. Unfortunately, outside of the questionable Kinect offerings, there's not much on the horizon that appeals to it's already established hardcore base.

The Wii still has a lot left to offer, especially with the upcoming games on the menu. Next gen should be huge for them too, as the upgrade will seem larger with the inevitable jump to HD.

Remember, competition breeds a healthy market….and gamers win!

kevinater321
kevinater321
14 years ago

I really doubt the next gen wii will sell nearly as much as this one did. Casual gamers relize that they never play it and will consider it a waist of money. So when wii 2 comes along they won't get it because they will think it is also a waist of money. This is all just a prediction but i belive it may happen.

ace_boon_coon
ace_boon_coon
14 years ago

this is off topic, but socom 4 along with the move look sweet. see we don't need a new console yet

Riku994
Riku994
14 years ago

I wish I didn't sell Summoner and Summoner 2…

AcHiLLiA
AcHiLLiA
14 years ago

PS3 is growing better and it's showing us the great games that we have already and in the future.

dirdiggler
dirdiggler
14 years ago

I just wish to see Mario,Zelda,DK an other on the Ps3 1 day. Not sure how this could all come to happen but would be an amazing move pulled off by Sony that would go untouched as far as consoles go.

Anonymous
Anonymous
14 years ago

Man oh man. The PS3 is a great machine and has great games, great looking games like Uncharted 2, Metal Gear etc. In terms of Graphics the Playstation 3 and XBOX 360 are pretty close when you look at the hardware capabilities. I remember when Metal Gear Solid 4 came out, people said the game wouldn't look as good if it were on the 360, well there is a new Metal Gear coming out, and apparantly won't be suffering any downgrade in graphics. Sure PS has great exclusives, but why forget about the 360 exclusives such as Mass Effect, Left for Dead, Forza, Splinter Cell Conviction, Crackdown. Both consoles have their perks. My point is that talk about what the PS3 might able to do in the future, not what the 360 can't. That is a fanboy thing to do.

Both consoles have great games and will continue to make great games, that is the main thing.


Last edited by n/a on 6/29/2010 2:24:09 PM

StangMan80
StangMan80
14 years ago

The 360 isn't even close to the PS3 capabilities. The PS3 will last a lot longer then the 360.


Last edited by StangMan80 on 6/29/2010 4:29:06 PM

kraygen
kraygen
14 years ago

I'm sorry, but while the cgi videos from rising look similar to MGS4, the gameplay doesn't look as good. It looks grainy and less detailed in almost every way.

Him
Him
14 years ago

Makes me think of Crysis 2……

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
14 years ago

I think this article sums it up rather nicely…

Sony: 3D adoption will be just like Blu-ray

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/45457-sony-develops-next-gen-blu-ray-format-for-ps4

With this generation of home entertainment, Sony has taken a lot of risks.
It put its neck on the line with the first fully-HD equipped video game console, it gambled with Blu-ray in the format war, and now it's pouring all sorts of money into 3D development.
Meanwhile, most of its competitors have taken a "sit back and watch" approach. With Blu-ray, of course, the risk reaped rewards, and now the storage media Sony helped create is a market standard and the PS3 can handle much higher-capacity games than either the Xbox 360 or Wii.

Will the same kind of result happen with 3D gaming, though?

Sony says yes.

In an interview with IndustryGamers.com, Sony Worldwide Studios VP Scott Rohde said that 3D adoption is, "Not a concern. It’s a strategy. The best thing I can relate this to is the Blu-Ray launch. I think this is like a rewind for me, a lot of the same questions."

Unlike Microsoft and Nintendo, Sony has a vested interest in the future of 3D home entertainment, In addition to the PS3 it also is manufacturing its own line of 3D TVs and 3D-enabled Blu-ray players.

"So, it’s a distinct strategy that we’ve chosen to take to be on the bleeding edge and drive the market into these new experiences. So we’re not worried about quick adoption rate. We’re driving people to adopt period," added Rohde.

godsman
godsman
14 years ago

Yes

Wissam
Wissam
14 years ago

I agree 100% with ben. ps3 will advance more than its competitors. blue ray and sony first party studios are FTW.

Anonymous
Anonymous
14 years ago

In terms of games, Sony has the obvious advantage of making longer games, but in terms of graphics, I think we've pretty much hit the limit and if there are any improvement in graphics, it will be very very minimal from what we currently see, until the next console that is.


Last edited by n/a on 6/29/2010 3:14:16 PM

StangMan80
StangMan80
14 years ago

Graphics will get a lot better their isn't any doubts about that.

sawao_yamanaka
sawao_yamanaka
14 years ago

Lol damn you guys scared him off!

godsman
godsman
14 years ago

We finally see some advantage of blu-ray versus DVDs in gaming. PS3 gets extra content like Dead Space and Medal of Honor. Something that is only possible on the PS3.

Also hybrid blu-rays where it's partially movie and game. The additional video and preview files in Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 was awesome.

Jawknee
Jawknee
14 years ago

Pretty cool how Sony attached the God of War III demo to the Blue Ray version of District 9.

BikerSaint
BikerSaint
14 years ago

pmartin2586,

Are you sure???

NAHHHH, I think graphics can probably get much better than they are now as developers find new ways of optimizing the cell's architecture, plus learning new tricks in optimizing their code too.


Last edited by BikerSaint on 6/29/2010 3:26:05 PM

DaK182
DaK182
14 years ago

yeppppppppppppp

StangMan80
StangMan80
14 years ago

The PlayStation 3 can last a few strong more years(2014-'15) while the Microsoft will need a new console around 2012 and Nintendo needs a new one as soon as next year.

Anonymous
Anonymous
14 years ago

Graphics are running on hardware 5+ years old, the graphics can only go so far on the current hardware on both consoles. Sure graphics will get better, only slightly though. And no, I'm no tech guru, but I am a tech guy and I do know what I'm talking about.

I'm not complaining about graphics by the way, Graphics are great, but if you expet them to get way better, you'll be waiting for the next consoles for that.

Ben Dutka PSXE
Ben Dutka PSXE
14 years ago

You're no "tech guy." You just pop up every now and then to try to remind everyone that the PS3 isn't any better than the Xbox 360.

Scarecrow
Scarecrow
14 years ago

pmartin is just like those PC gamers who think they know it all

I bet he said the same thing when MGS4 came out, "this'll be as good as games on ps3 will look."

Yet Killzone2 and Uncharted 2 shut him down nicely

GOWIII and Heavy Rain look amazing. And I believe GT5 will set the standard in terms of graphics for all racing games.

Then turn the page to 2011, Killzone 3 will be waiting as well as a possible Uncharted 3, The Last Guardian, among others.

maxpontiac
maxpontiac
14 years ago

You obviously know nothing about the Playstation brand. The PS2's graphics only got better as devs continued to focus on it, see GOW2 for an example. Plus the PS2 was engineered as a Hi-Def console.

The PS3? It's obvious (painfully to some) that the PS3 was simply ahead of the game. But hey, glad the 360 finally got Wi-Fi.

TheHighlander
TheHighlander
14 years ago

Yes, the GPUs in the PS3 and 360 are 5 years old. Actually, the GPU in the 360 is a tad older than the one in the PS3, but who's counting anyway?

However, what is happening in the PS3 game development community is that programmers are beginning to use the CellBE processor the way it was supposed to be used. The result is games that look better and better as more post processing effects are accomplished on the Cell allowing the RSX to do those things it is specifically good at. The system architecture of the PS3 makes this possible. The architecture of the 360 does not. The 360 relies to a greater degree on the GPU being able to do all this stuff on it's own.

The 360 makes it easy for developers because everything is laid out for them to pick up and use immediately. The PS3 architecture encourages developers to re-think their software and use the power of the Cell to accomplish things in a way of their own choosing. This allows designers and coders to do things in highly optimized ways that are not laid down by someone else. It takes more effort, but ultimately grants more power to the developer.

So, while you may see diminishing returns, developers are still finding ways to get more out of the PS3's CPU/GPU combination, and will continue to do so for a couple more waves of games. We've heard variations of this from several developers this year.


Last edited by TheHighlander on 6/29/2010 5:20:34 PM

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