Ben-DutkaAlthough Red Dead Redemption is one hell of a great game, it does have a few multiplayer issues, which have been noted by many PlayStation Network and Xbox Live users.
It seems like a common trend to have a game, even of the highest quality, suffer from a few online multiplayer drawbacks when it first becomes available. Unfortunately, Rockstar's latest is no exception, as people have complained of connectivity failures and other problems concerning completion of certain objectives. But the development team is well aware of the complaints, and as they've just explained , they're currently working on a patch, which should be ready to go next week:
"We are aware that there are still some of you out there experiencing issues with Red Dead Redemption, including multiplayer connectivity and getting the Mo Van Barr bounty. We are currently testing a Red Dead Redemption title update for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 that aims to fix these and other items. Due to the unpredictable nature of the testing and console manufacturer submission process, we cannot pin down a very specific date and time, but we do expect this to be released for download for both systems by the end of next week. We can assure you we are working with our partners at Microsoft and Sony to make this title update available literally as soon as possible."
And as an act of contrition, they intend to release the Expert Hunter and Savvy Merchant outfits (along with related challenges) later this summer for free . That's what we like to see. They admit everything isn't perfect, actively seek a fix, and at the same time, offer a consolation as compensation for any difficulties we may have suffered. …okay, that may sound like exaggeration, but we still appreciate Rockstar's stance on this subject.
P.S. However, they do wish to remind you that some of the multiplayer connection issues can be fixed on your end; check your online settings for "optimal online compatibility."
Related Game(s): Red Dead Redemption
There aren't just multiplayer bugs, my horse vanished in thin air the other day while i was on it except Marston was still riding a horse as if it were invisible. Also after playing some Poker with the Gentlemen's Attire on, after taking it off his gloves and hat were still missing. I had to reload the game to get his hat back and play the Finger Fillet to force his gloves to respawn. This list just keeps going to bugs and glitches, some that forced me to restart the game losing unsaved data.
Makes me wonder if this is a result of a shotty port job or if R* just didn't do all the testing they could/should have done before the game was released.
EDIT: As far as the online bugs are concerned, i haven't run into any. Seems there are more bugs in the campaign mode then online.
Last edited by Jawknee on 6/3/2010 11:17:39 AM
I think it is a case of…let the masses play it, and have them run the game through its course, and through all that, we will figure out what the bugs are, and fix them on the fly. Seems that is the M.O. of these developers since with the PS3 and 360 being online, they can fix us up with updates.
Does anyone know if Sony and M$ charge the developers to issue us updates on their systems?
I suppose but it seems to becoming more and more of the case these days. Seems like the mentality is "lets just release a game, let people complain then well fix it." This is what MS has been doing with Windows for years. No wonder Apple is now the leader in the US tech industry now.
Nintendo doesn't do this. They release the game as bug free as can be. Same with Naughty Dog and other AAA developers. They iron out the problems before the game is out the door.
I know games are bigger and more complicated nowadays but this is like me releasing a record with missing notes and harmonies then telling my fans, "oh sorry, I'll patch the record asap. We're aware of the problems, were working on it". Seems like negligence. I can understand there would be some issues with online, but the single player bugs shouldn't exist. I think far to many devs get a pass for being lazy because it's easy to patch the problems that were overlooked before the game was released.
I will admit that there are glitches and it is annoying. With that being said, it's not because of the "shotty port job" you assume it is. The same issues are on the 360. Wouldn't that rule out your theory by default?
::sigh::
I said it makes me "wonder." I didn't assume. Helps to actually read what i wrote.
not sure why you keep getting down thumbed jawknee, everything you've said has happened to me too, that and more. I've found more glitches on this game than every other game I own combined.
It's sad really, everyone giving this game such high scores but the more you play it the more bugs you find. Maybe the scores would have been lower had people played them longer and done more exploring and side questing.
Don't get me wrong game is still fun, but come on, it's like glitch fest 5,000.
Regardless of what I said, you still tossed it out there as a possible issue. If I were a betting man, I would say you were trying to intentionally throw in a dig at the 360 even though you know it doesn't make sense. But you wouldn't do that, right?
Good thing your not a betting man then because then you'd be broke. My comment had nothing to do with the 360 but everything to do with R*.
Go troll some where else.
haven't gotten even half-way on SP. I'm still on MP (nearing 50! woohoo). But yeah, it has a lot of bugs (not that irritatingly frequent tho). Some are annoying, some amusing. Like some hideouts don't end right after the last kill. Or sometimes my horse when i call would just just off a cliff to get to me straight to its death 🙂
lol I think we all are smart enough to see what you did. I don't need to say anything else.
uh huh..what ever you say.
@Audiak
It just sounds like you're looking for a fight. Jawk simply made some observations about the number of flaws found, and he didn't offer the porting as an absolute. It was a suggestion. And a realistic question to ask. Certainly other examples that are multi-platform, like Modern Warfare 2, have the same issues with getting high marks with everyone noticing flaws a couple weeks later.
So, even if it isn't a porting issue, it certainly is something that happens on a regular basis to games that are multi-plat! Surely there are programming differences to consider when developing for multi-plats, and things could easily be overlooked in the more foundational programming we find so many bugs in. So, just because he's suggesting a porting issue, that doesn't mean it's a dig at either system. It's a common problem for both Microsoft AND Sony.
And he makes a terrific point… Why doesn't this kind of thing happen to AAA devs? Besides, it just sounds like you're here to take a few digs at PS fans without offering anything valid or something that makes much sense. But, you wouldn't do that… right?
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Last edited by Underdog15 on 6/3/2010 2:33:08 PM
Based on post history, AudiaK only exists to defend the Xbox 360 at all costs and make retarded posts like "GT5 is a myth." Reading through the posts just now makes it clear he's a not-so-subtle troll.
One more time, and you're gone. Or just leave peacefully. Maybe that'd be better.
I knew it was a sith! A not cool, non-lightsabre wielding one, anyways.
Ouch! School'd by the admin!
Last edited by Underdog15 on 6/3/2010 3:06:40 PM
I've had just about 2 minor 'glitches' and they were just that, very minor. Even if I had a slew of bugs and glitches I would still hold this game in the high regard that I do.
It has to have one of the best stories I've seen in a game in quite some time.
Also, some of the bugs I've seen videos of, I'm kinda jealous that it's not so buggy for me. I wanna ride a donkey lady and fight a cougar man. 🙂
I have experienced bugs (none of which broke the game in my eyes in other words none on a MW2 scale.) in campaign mostly. The issue is scale, there is so much in this game that issues are bound to come up it happened in San Andreas back in the day it's bound to show up. Luckily now we as gamers can report these bugs and they can be fixed a luxury we didn't have before. It happens and the way Rockstar is handling all of this is really classy.
Last edited by Mavfan321 on 6/3/2010 5:43:52 PM
First off, I'm not blind and I'm not stupid. Jawknee didn't have "Xbox 360" in his text, but we all know he is a big 360 detester because a lot of times, he's mad that the PS3 gets the short-end of the stick when games are ported over from the 360 and end up having glitches because of it. He threw out a completely off-base remark about RDR glitches possibly being a port issue when both systems were having the same problems. I thought it was uncalled for because it makes the 360 look bad. (Again, he didn't have to spell it out for us/me to know what he was saying. Let's get real.)
Second, I'm not a troll. I don't come on here to instigate. In fact, look through all my posts and you will find that I post many relevant info regarding my like for the PS3 and it's benefits. I have both systems. I love games. I don't care where they come from. I just hate coming on here and reading garbage from posters without a clue at times. So what if I stand up for the 360 when I feel as though it's clearly being misrepresented? Why does that ruffle so many people's feathers?
And as for the "GT5 is a myth" statement, it was clearly a joke. It's been forever since we first heard about the game and it hasn't come out. I know it will come out soon and I know it will be great. (Loved GT4.) I was being sarcastic. Sheeeeeesh.
Finally, Ben, I emailed you to see about reviewing games for this site a while ago. Why would I do that if I didn't take this seriously and hated the PS3? Let's be realistic. I'm a sarcastic guy who speaks his mind when compelled. I felt compelled to call Jawkn out for his statement because it went too far and I felt like it was a dig at the 360. Give me a break. If I were such a troll, you would have banned me a LONG time ago. I'm not one and you know it.
i gotta agree with audia.
but without taking sides. I dont think Jawknee was trying to refer to the 360. I think hes more upset that an open world game has a few bugs. but to me in a game like this, this size, and openness, its going to have a few. Writing code, and developing a game is tough work. we cant expect them all to be perfect. no game is thats why 10/10 games are few and far between.
I personally think as long as devs are putting out patches and willing to fix there rightful mistake, then we shouldnt ask for anything more! I'm having a blast with RDR despite the few hickups, and im sure regardless of how long it took R* to make this game they had a good time developing it. If we as the consumer wanna get on their back about the product they are proud of when they are willing to fix it, then they probably look back and say "sheesh we made this game for gamers to enjoy and all we get is flack." probably a pretty good buzz kill at the office if you ask me.
Last edited by bigrailer19 on 6/4/2010 12:01:31 AM
I just don't get the drama here I guess. I don't own an xbox. I used to, but I sold it for money for an engagement ring for my now wife. It was pretty decent at the time, and it provides some decent games. Really, it just came down to what the PS was going to be able to do in the future. No biggie.
Anyways, I really don't think Jawk wrote anything that was garbage, and he certainly made some relevant points. He had a clue, and it was worth posting. I really feel like you just have the automatic defense button just behind your ear pressed. When I read what he wrote, I certainly didn't think he implied xbox was to blame. My interpretation was that multi-plats often have programming oversights, and that if that wasn't the problem, then R* didn't do enough testing. It wasn't specific to one system.
Besides, even if it WAS a dig at the 360… he's allowed to not like it… I don't think you should feel like the 360 is your little brother or something… you're the only one making this personal… not jawk.
Underdog-
I think what audia is seeing is what i just seen in your comment. you said "My interpretation was that multi-plats often have programming oversights, and that if that wasn't the problem, then R* didn't do enough testing."
After reading that i feel like what your saying is that all ps exclusives are perfect. Any game other than that will have problems. well ill be the first to say the PS3 exclusives are obviously pushing the boundaries. But comparing open world games to eachother RDR which is multiplat, and inFamous which is exclusive, I gotta say they both have had their problems none worse than the other. Saying R* didnt do enough testing is redic. the game was in development for awhile, it has a few glitches, and now they are fixing those, whats the problem?
I dunno. I said that was my interpretation of what Jawk said. Ask him. lol Those points you're arguing with me over aren't my ideas.
And I don't think -HE- was implying PS exclusives are without faults. But it's a fair question about multi plats. Whether they use Xbox or PS as the lead doesn't matter. Multi-plats run a risk for glitches. The only point I made that was original, that still no one has rebutted and there isn't really a reason to, is that I thought he raised a good question. I certainly didn't venture anywhere to suggest I knew what the real reason was. I don't know or care. I was merely sticking up for Jawk since I didn't feel he suggested anything wrong, and he certainly shouldn't be persuaded not to make points or suggestions as mild as the ones he made. That's all.
Last edited by Underdog15 on 6/4/2010 11:01:30 AM
Sure its known I don't like the Xbox but that doesn't mean there's some hidden agenda in all my comments. your fishing Audiak like you always do.
You are a troll.
@bigrailer, yes the game was n development for 5 years and apparently $100 million was spent and it still managed to get out the door with as many bugs and glitches as it has. R* could have done better.
Last edited by Jawknee on 6/4/2010 12:57:01 PM
underdog-
I know im sorry it sounded like i was placing it on you. i knew what you were sayng and, i was basically saying i see where audia is coming from minus the 360 reference.
Jawknee-
I think your missing it here. Regardless how much money and time was spent on a game, it wont be perfect. Ive already thrown out example of other open world games that rightfully should be compared and all of them run into the same issues.
I dont know it seems like from my personal experience, those glitches dont exist cus i havnt ran into any of those, and the game has only froze on me once. maybe im lucky, idk, but regardless the game is sick!
Jawkn, I never said ALL your comments had some hidden agenda. I actually think you might not have thought about what you said until after I brought it up. For real, can you explain your "shotty port-job" comment and show me how that is not trying to say that the game was made for one console and just "ported" to the other? (You don't even have to name the specific consoles if you don't want to! Use A or B.) Keep in mind, both versions have the same issues.
Seriously, for you to say I'm a troll is a tad ridiculous. I feel like you've gotten tired of disagreeing with me that you think the only reason why I am disagreeing you is because I'm a troll. In fact, you are really the only one I've disagreed with on a semi-regular basis. I don't look for a fight with you or anyone else. (@Underdog)
And Bigrailer, I appreciate you trying to at least explain a little of what I was trying to say. It helps to feel a bit validated and goes a long way in showing that I'm not a troll.
Underdog, I never took it personal. I originally just disagreed with his take on things and voiced my opinion. Only then did it get blown up into this big thing because that is when Jawkn used the T word and Benny backed him up with a crazier statement than that.
As a matter of fact Jawknee, I really haven't experienced 1 single bug yet, I suppose I am lucky or something. Regardless, I should probably get back into the game and terrorize Mexico some more with that awesome Pancho I found.
Yea i have the exact opposite experience. No online bugs, plenty of single player bugs. Don't get me wrong, they don;t ruin the game, but it is a hassle of having to reload the game at times and losing data at others.
Me neither, not one single bug and I've played both single player and multi player modes. Not one single hick-up.
I experienced some bugs also .One time I was just riding and all of a sudden my horse stop dead in its tracks literally,he was actually dead ,got flung off then started moving really slow until the game froze on me.then another time I saved the girl from being stabbed then afterwards I was walking knee deep in the ground.
I really hope they send out an update because I been tryin for a long to capture Mo Van Barr but havent come across him when I'm on a bounty mission.
I can't connect with my friend, everytime we send an invite it says can't connect to server check ur connection or i get in an he gets kicked out or i just get kicked 10 seconds after connecting so fn annoying spend damn near an hr tryin to connect to each other until we finally give up or it lets us play for 20-30 min an 1 of us gets kicked..
I can't list all the bugs I've found, no one has that many hours to read them all. I was also disappointed in the size of the map, game is kinda small compared to some other sandbox games.
When looking at the map i was actually impressed but after traveling from corner to corner i was a bit underwhelmed.
and i agree so far it's been a glitch fest. Was GTA IV this glitchy? i never made it past the first hour. I can't stand the GTA series.
Last edited by Jawknee on 6/3/2010 1:29:39 PM
yeah. wish they could release some expansion packs to make the map bigger, and more hideouts. would be a blast if there were stranglers in MP i.e. some ambushes, save the dame types. that'd be a riot!
If you look at the map, the upper left looks like there's room for more. Maybe they are planning on expanding it a bit more.
all I know is that RDR's map is inconsistent and small. the new austin region looks almost the exact same size as mexico, however when you ride across it, mexico is almost twice as big. West elizabeth looks about 1/3 of the size of new austin, but is actually almost the same size.
As for overall RDR's map is only about 1/4 of the size of just cause 2.
I really like RDR, but after 5 years and coming from rockstar I definitely expected more.
@Kraygen–spot on! They can have those other regions as separate free roam "rooms". just odd though, the other day i was playing and saw 2 folks playing on tall trees. Then when i looked at the map again, the other one way waaay on the upper part of the map (the edge of the map actually). Wonder how he got there…?
You guys are outta control lol. Bugs are few and far between for me! A game of this scale and open world, is bound to have a few. instead of crying bout it be thankful, were getting patches.
I have ran into a few, but you guys are making it out to be one of the worst developed games ever. Its open world, i mean come on. inFamous had its problems, oblivion had its issues, Fallout 3, dont even get me started, there is a trend here. open world games are simply harder to develop for given the fact of all the open area to work with.
Last edited by bigrailer19 on 6/3/2010 11:52:38 PM
I'm bout 60% done and it's been mostly glitch free. Considering how large the game really is, i'm extremely impressed still. The multiplayer is really buggy though. Its a blast to play but getting dropped every 2 minutes is really annoying. I've found no more glitches in this game then say inFamous or AC2. At least they're working on the issue. No one is perfect. The game is still great regardless of any glitches or issues.
agree on that. amidst the glitches its still a fun experience. Unlike some other games out there that the glitches put a halt on the fun (a certain MODERN shooter).
Not come across any glitches myself apart from the one time on the lawman gang hideout 3 or 4 in the caves with the miners. the miners ended in the wall but still able to kill us we couldnt kill them. We rode away on the map and went back again and re tried. This time one miner was in the wall by a TNT box I shot that and it killed him and got the other 2 with 2 shots mission ends we move onto next one so far no more glitches it happened the one time.
Jeez, gamers nowadays… Pretty high standards you set for yourself…
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Video games are so complex that you need to forgive a few flaws and bugs especially in open world sandbox games where everything cannot be too scripted.
I still remember the Spectrum 48K and Commodore 64K days when you were happy if you could get your game to load. If you could load AND save your game afterwards you were a happy man!
Nothing I've seen in 20 hours of RDR has made it unplayable or has crashed my PS3. Only the odd floating or buried horse or person.
Heavy Rain and Assassins Creed 2 were far buggier in my opinion.
I just love the little touches…
I whistled for my horse and he trotted over the train line to be promptly squashed by the oncoming train.
I was deciding whether to let a lady go who had stolen my horse and whilst I was deciding she was biten and killed by a rattlesnake.
I managed to shoot my own horse in the head whilst trying to shoot a skunk!
You can forgive a few glitches to experience such gems!
@ Gordo- haha nice, i've accidentally shot my horse too!
But on a somewhat related subject, I was having an argument with a friend of mine about the xbox 360 vs. the PS3, that started with RDR is better on the 360. Long story short I made him feel like a dumbass. His only good argument was that the majority, (and it is a vast majority) our my friends have 360's (my rebuttal was the fact that he has gone through 5 360's vs my 1 PS3).
So I am here asking for people to hopefully add me so I can have some company online. Looking for people who play RDR, and BFBC2. And who are willing to use mics too.
psn: flow3rs510
When i found out about this patch i was pretty excited but mostly for the moe van barr glitch. R* says its not a glitch but, unless they decided to keep THE ONLY WAY to get the mo van barr bounty (one of the challeneges for the deadly assassin outfit, from gamestop) secret between them and gamestop then its a glitch.
R* told me how to obtain it if you are too far in the game already and trust me if your past the first marshall mission you will not get that van barr bounty. Now its still iffy as if this works i tried it and it didnt but others have had success.
In this order do this, and do nothing else!
Start a new game. (dont delete your old file lol)
Complete all the Bonnie quests up to getting the lasso.
Go meet the marshall in Armadillo, you'll follow walton (of waltons gang) instead of capturing him like the marshall asks kill him. (if you capture him van barr wont show up as a bounty).
Go back to armadillo, a bounty should come up as mo van barr.
load up your original game, and the Van Barr bount should appear.
like i said it didnt work for me, but on many forums people say it has and these are R*' instructions. but if your frustrated like me and reserved your game from gamestop, and cant wait for the patch in the mean time you could try this. just trying to help out!
Last edited by bigrailer19 on 6/3/2010 8:26:31 PM
Finally got RDR and started playing it. Also playing FFXIII which is why I haven't been commenting much. Progressing steadily in both games certainly takes some time. Anyways, RDR is amazing so far, and FFXIII is pretty damn fun. The visuals are awesome as well. It's strange playing both at once though because your jumping from the rugged wild west to an extremely high tech futuristic setting
i hope there fixing the SP bugs too.
lost count the amount of times i run into a invisible wall, what is it with open world games and invisible walls?
a few times ive walked through walls, the floor has disappeared, not to mention there is so much pop in.
in one cut scene i was watching it than like 15 seconds in my horse just magically appears out of thin air.
not to mention the most annoying one, every time i save and turn off the game instead of loading the latest one it loads a auto save.
so every time i boot up the game most of the time i have to load my latest save if it was not a auto save.
o, and who thought up the aiming system?
whoever did is a freaking MORON!
im riding a horse at speed a enemy starts shooting me so i take aim at him and whats me reticule?
a tiny dot!
how am i suppose to see a tiny dot at speed? plus its red when on enemies so it blends in with the background.
why not ask me to shoot a ant from space?
probably would be easier you know!
things like this just baffle me, i mean how could R* miss this?
its not like its something small either, i mean you need to see where your aiming quite a fu*king bit in the game!!!!!
its like having 2 objects styled as a pistol, one a real pistol and one a lighter. your just asking for trouble!!!
extremely poor organization and attention to detail!
Yea the tiny dot seems dated and the auto aim is crap.
haha did you guys forget when this game took place? The reticule goes along perfectly with the type of sights the guns would have used back then. In fact most revolvers were shot literally from the hip in those times, so they could have left the reticule out altogether.
And the auto aim is actually pretty good. i personally dont ussually prefer auto aim, but since your complaining about the small dot as your reticule, then the auto aim in RDR should be what you need to hit some one, it compliments it very nicely.
revolvers ok because there a close range weapon but for rifles?
come on especially since most of RDRs missions are babysit missions you need to take out enemies before they get too close.
i hate using auto aim because its so freaking stupid!
there would be 50 enemies shooting at me, one not shooting at me and the auto aim would select the one not shooting me so i would let go of L2 and re select it, or hit right but it selects the same freaking one.
if i did not want that target in the first place what makes you think i would the 2nd time, or the 3rd, or the 4th.
it asks a question than ignores the answer.
Really? NO THANKS!
Last edited by bigrailer19 on 6/4/2010 9:40:26 AM