Ben-DutkaWhile many believe that Uncharted 2: Among Thieves was not only the best game of 2009 but arguably the best game of the generation, one producer doesn't believe Naughty Dog's gem "redefined" the action genre.
That argument could be made, in our opinion, but perhaps the reason for this guy's belief is a little confusing. According to a recent PSM3 interview with Castlevania: Lords of Shadow producer Dave Cox, Uncharted 2 couldn't really "redefine" anything because it was limited to one platform. Cox admitted that it was beautiful and very impressive from a technical standpoint, and that he "enjoyed it immensely," but it's only on the PlayStation 3. Said Cox:
"[But] Uncharted was a single format release. If any game is going to set a benchmark for a genre it would need to do so across multiple platforms."
In all honesty, we're not entirely sure what this means. How can a game's quality be directly impacted by the fact that it's only on one platform? In terms of widespread impact, one could say a multiplat would have a larger reach to affect more gamers but that still has nothing to do with inherent quality. And quality "redefines;" not popularity. We have really high hopes for Lords of Shadow but this is one comment that we don't quite understand.
It's true that Uncharted 2 doesn't really do anything "new," per se, so in that way, we could say it doesn't "redefine" action games. But because it's only on the PS3…? What?
Sound like that mouthing off on how Forza 3 will the be end of racing.
While true that Uncharted 2 really isn't revolutionary, as somebody said in this thread it sound more like envy.
Multiple platforms = benchmark? That's like saying overly advertised generic garbage music is revolutionary because more people are exposed to it.
That's like saying Guitar Hero is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
its just like saying the town wh0re is better because it has more STD's….
Last edited by Gregory Freeman on 4/7/2010 6:45:14 PM
Std's are bind on pickup 😉
Let me see if I've got this right…
So in Cox's eyes, "IF" he's saying that all games should be multiplats, as in making the PS3 the lead platform, so that even the 360's version winds up better for it…..
Then Cox is a certified genius!!!!!
But if Cox is saying that all games should just be multi-plats, as in making any other console/PC as the lead platform, so that the PS3 game gets gimped again, again, & again……
Then Cox really is 52 cards short of a full-deck.
Last edited by BikerSaint on 4/7/2010 5:46:43 PM
besides, if Cox was so sure of his own game's abilities, then why did he even need to get Kojima involved in it???
I'm sure if it winds up great, all of the thanks should go mainly to Kojima.
Lol, he really thinks that Uncharted 2 will be "revolutionary" on the Wii or the 360? Only the ps3 can produce a game similar to U2.
Last edited by Bugzbunny109 on 4/7/2010 5:55:06 PM
So Lords of Shadow will be on the Wii?
Its ultra-multiplat, its gonna be on blackberries and iphones too 😉
lol yea like MW. on every platform possible. I downloaded it for my Kindle the other day. 😉
Hey I have MW on my iPad, beat that 😉
MW3 will be available for your navigation system in 2013.
LOL @ "ultra-multiplat"
You trying to give Cox a run for his money?
if you think UC2 isn't revolutionary that's ok because to some it might be some 3rd person shooter with puzzle and platforming, but Cox's reason is just……..
"[But] Uncharted was a single format release. If any game is going to set a benchmark for a genre it would need to do so across multiple platforms."
Well, THAT was a silly thing to say. I guess Mario, when it came out only on Nintendo, set no benchmarks either?
Additionally, I assume Castlevania LOS will not be revolutionary either, as it is not multiplatform enough – it's not coming out on the Wii, after all.
Last edited by Thinker on 4/7/2010 6:25:21 PM
U2 would not have been so great if it was held down by the other consloes.
A game can't be 'redefining' if it's an exclusive? I wonder if Cox would've used the same argument about his main man at the helm, Kojima-san, and his gem, MGS4.
Castlevania used to be good when it was only for Playstation…
It's a dumb statement anyway you look at it. Would he tell Kojima that MGS1 wasn't revolutionary because it came out for ps1 and not N64?
I think it's a statement to get attention
This looks more like the result of a disagreement involving platforms between Cox and Kojima, with Cox seemingly eager to bring all new games to the MS platform, thereby terming them "multiplatform" and thus "eligible for benchmark-setting".
Says the loser…..
I guess cocaine IS a hellava drug, huh.
Tell that to Mario (all of 'em), Sonic, Zelda (all of 'em), Metroid (Prime too), or GoldenEye64, or Virtual Fighter, Gran Turismo, or even Halo.
I just lost interest in the development of this Castlevania game.
Last edited by King James on 4/7/2010 10:39:11 PM
When Devs start talking this way, its shows signs of jealousy. Devs like naughty Dog and Gurella Games put of graphical masterpieces and have the know how and "TALENT" to create Great games. Others just draw straws on what to say because they cannot master a certain platform, and thus a game go muli plat..
it isnt?
ok, than can you name one other game that has a scene like the train chase?
the physics evolved in that were amazing, not only is the train moving, the scenery is too and its 100% completley intractable.
through a grenade and watch it roll back to you, makes you think twice before deploying a banger!
game play wise, fun wise, story wise uncharted 2 was nothing special.
technology wise is a whole different story, there were so many scenes that made my jaw hit the ground.
thats one thing that disappointed me with GOW3, with uncharted 2 you get a action scene to boot the pace to twice the speed of light than as soon as it starts to drop you get another booting it back up there.
with GOW3 you have one, maybe 2 and thats about it.
o, yea, and name one other game that came out this gen that was partly coded in assembly.
that just goes to show the dedication of ND, assembly is a pain in the a$$.
you have 4 numbers either 0 or 1 for each letter, so imagine writing a if statement but instead of using letters using 4 numbers per letter.
imagine how long the code would be, it would make it a massive pain in the a$$ to debug your code, and as far as i know theres no compiler so if there is a error (which their will be) there is nothing telling you where it is like in normal C++.
Assembly language is necessary for some video game console programming and in some routines that need to be as fast as possible, or require very little overhead.
There are more games that use assembly than you might want to believe in your arrogant mind.
Last edited by vicious54 on 4/8/2010 11:16:26 AM
Whoa there Cox, let's retrace our steps for a minute second. So you're telling me in order to redefine the action genre, one must bestow a limiter upon the targeted game redefining the action genre such as developing the game for all systems of course downgrading the quality of the higher potential console/s in the process. So in short, in order to redefine, one MUST limit the quality and ability of the highest power. So if I'm hearing this right, in order for a prince to succeed the throne, he must first murder the king…his father? What?
Sounds like this dude is hating. To say that Uncharted 2 can't achieve greatness because it's only on the PS3 is gay. It's like saying The Rolling Stones couldn't achieve greatness because they stuck to a genre instead of pushing their music to be included in other genres as well. It's like saying Super Mario Bros. can't achieve greatness because it's an effen Nintendo exclusive! It's like saying Derek Jeter can't achieve greatness because he's only played for the fuckin' New York Yankees his whole damn career!!!
Someone get a WWE Superstar Diva to kick this dude's ass…please.
Game the "f" on Gamers, Game on.
To be fair, Jeter does suck BECAUSE he's a Yankee. ;P
Ok that Cox (seewhatididthere?) is asking for it.
D:
hello …
humm, sounds like if i live in a country where the max speed limit is 110Km/hr, it makes the Ferrari or any other muscle / sport car very bad for they are not made for me.
cheers!
I Agree With Dave Cox A Hundred Percent!!!!!
Cause We All Know That (Zelda, Mario, Halo, MGS, Grand Tourism & Much More) Did Not Redefine Anything Since They First Came Out As A "Single Format Release"!!!
I Mean Just Because Zelda Took RPGs In A Hold Other Direction & Grand Tourism Made Racing Simulation As Big As It Is Today, Doesn't Mean That They Redefine Anything Since They Were Only On One Platform!!!!!!!!
Last edited by Notes36 on 4/8/2010 6:03:26 AM
By The Way I Mean "Grand Turismo" It Came Out "Grand Tourism" Cause I Seen That That The Spell Check Had Highlighted Turismo As Wrong And I Used Auto Correct!!!!!
it is in fact "grand touring" the name of the race, only in italian (?) i believe, hecne grand tourismo , wich gets americanazied with gran turismo for the games, but the real race is actually called like that, some stuff gets lost in translation i suppose , the spell checker goes for tourism, rather than touring
"Gran Turismo" = Italian; "grand tourismo" =/= Italian.
me thinks this guy is just an xbox lover and sounds butthurt that "his" console didnt get anything even remotely similar to UC2…
bah genre defining to me is taking the old formulas for games, and making something completley new with them , something hasnt done before, like infamous or uncharted (say what you will about infamous, but a super hero game has NEVER been done like this, let alone by just TWELVE GUYS )
Infamous was made by only 12 guys…? Holy hell, lol. That makes my image of Infamous much more epic, lol.
So what exactly in U2 were completely new and not done before? One could claim it is *better* than the earlier action/adventure games, but NEW?
What separates this game from, say, Lara Croft? The 3rd persion view? The weapons? The way the story is told?
inFAMOUS was not made by twelve guys; there were twelve artists (i.e., the people who design and build items within the game world). That number doesn't include all the engineers, animators, writers, etc.
A genre CAN'T be redefined, it's as simple as that. If a genre becomes 'redefined', that just means it became a new genre in itself. Wow, this guy makes video games? What an idiot…
This is the most rediculous comment ever! well in a long time. It seems like the only games really pushing the industry forward are those to single platforms.
This guys probably wants publicity.
And the Wii is not Revolutionary – well, not until Move and Natal – THEN it will be Revolutionary.
Ugh… Looks like I can't buy Castlevania now…
i am not a fan of Uncharted games, or any shooting based games; however, wut this guy said sounds like a bullsxxt to me. so wut, the games has to be multiplat in order to achieve glory?
so wut about MGS4, wut about GOW3, wut about Heavy Rain and Demon's Souls, just nonsense.
Last edited by BigBoss4ever on 4/8/2010 2:16:19 PM
I completely disagree.. To be honest I like how this game is only on ps3.. I think we need to get more developers on our side.. Look at all ps3 vs xbox reviews.. They look the same, but ps3 is capable of SO MUCH MORE! This game pretty much gives me a reason to say to xbox fans .. you guys have halo.. pretty much the most retarded game of life.. and we have uncharted.. I would take uncharted over halo any day. Imagine CoD if it went to PS3 only.. It would be amazing, not even gonna lie. All of my friends except for a few play xbox, and if CoD went to ps3 I bet you at least half of them would get ps3's and ditch xbox. My one friend is going over to xbox because you can hack easier.. Like really, is that really a good enough reason?
He is A-S-S-U-M-I-N-G that uncharted 2 could be done on any other platform. I don't think the 360 is capable. It might just explode and catch fire, oh wait, they already do that!
Hey wait, the 360 easily does "BOOM" too,
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(A BOOM to the power of RROD, that is)
im sou tired of hearing this devs talking about uncharted 2 in this way… ok they didn't re-invent the genre but they did an awesome job bringing the same old fashion genre in a way that no other dev are able to (just Cause 2) sou stop saying things like this cause we all know that U2 is one of the best games ever… and U3 will rock too
Imagine a Mario Galaxy, Zelda or Metroid that utilizes the full power of the PS3 & move now that would be revolutionary. Sadly not in our lifetime.
Moronic statement. Besides, revolutionary, evolutionary, it all doesn't matter – Uncharted 2 is one of the best games ever made!! Case closed.