Ben-DutkaEarlier this week, we learned that the upcoming DLC packages for Assassin's Creed II were initially scheduled to be included in the game but Ubisoft removed the content for their own reasons.
Despite the apparent legitimacy of those reasons, it still caused a bit of a stir and this new bit of information isn't going to help much. You're probably already aware of Resident Evil 5: Alternative Edition (gamers in North America will know it as the "Gold Edition") that is slated to drop in spring; it'll boast "extensive use of the PS3 motion controls" plus two entirely new scenarios that weren't featured in the original RE5 released earlier this year. However, according to PS3Center citing a recent Dengeki PlayStation interview with RE5 assistant producer Mie Suzuki, those two new scenarios were also originally in the game. Both "Desperate Escape" and "Lost in Nightmares" were there but were then removed by the developers "to improve the pacing of the narrative." Each of these pieces were worth about 1-2 hours of play time apiece, which could've significantly lengthened the gameplay, but Suzuki insists it was a matter of pacing. Now, this is bound to promote the ire of many a gamer, especially those who are already inclined to believe the worst of devs and publishers, in that they wish to rip us off at every turn.
Personally, I'm not quite ready to believe that. Games these days are just like movies; they must go through a zillion editing processes before they're finally complete and the sheer amount of content that must've been eliminated before DLC is probably mind-boggling. We just never heard about it because publishers didn't have the option of releasing the dropped material for the fans at a later date. I really think this is the case; designers are gamers, too, and if you talk to any of them, you'll know they're as hardcore as you and I are, and they wish to deliver the best experience possible. Hence, I'm willing to believe them if they say the content was removed for such-and-such a reason. This is just my two cents on the issue.
Related Game(s): Resident Evil 5
multi disc games (especially on DVD) are not something new, and certainly not something we should be paying extra for … I greatly appreciate the developers who are so proud of their products that they add FREE DLC when the additions are relatively minor.
I would much rather have developers push back release dates to come out with COMPLETE products rather than this new double dipping bait and switch tactics of trying to get us to pay over and over again.
like others have said, if developers are willing to invest the extra time to develop these extras then obviously they feel it important enough to include.
now i'm not saying that all DLC add-ons should be free necessarily, but content that is basically essential to the game (another chapter in the story, RE5 multiplayer) should be included when released. obviously developers have a lot to deal with and meeting (or even pushing) deadlines can be very stressful, but, besides the extra wait gamers should not pay the price for delays.
i also want more USER created DLC and mod packs … these were not uncommon for the internet-enabled PC, so why not also for the internet-enabled consoles?
i just hope they don't get enough $$ to justify greedy tactics, but considering I still haven't seen any FREE dynamic themes available on PSN, I'm guessing there's usually enough consumers ready to spend to keep this machine rolling.
Mutlidisc games are not new but have been a thing of the past until this gen. No reason for it now because of blue rays massive storage space….oh wait forgot about the Xbox and MS decision to stick with DVD.
Why can't they just be honest and admit that those content did not fit into the dvd format?
Microsoft paid them to keep their mouth shut because they knew the 360 is holding this gen back.
If those contents were "cut" from the original game, why Capcom or Ubisoft simple make them free online? We already paid 60 bucks. Rocksteady did it with Batman:AA and Naughty Dog with U2:AT.
I'm pretty sure the content doesn't fit in a DVD and publishing games in more than one cost more money. The developers have to give gamers the "same" experience on both consoles, so they just cut something and then sell it. It's a good business
Basterds.
Inglorious bastArds!
definitely no glory in ripping people off I'll say that.
Now that I think about it, maybe Ben's right.
Ben is right.
None of you people seem to understand how the creative process works.
Developers cut scenes, levels, etc. ALL THE TIME. They've always done it; they'll always do it. It's how development works.
Look at the "deleted scenes" on any DVD. Those were finished scenes cut to make the movie better. The bits cut from RE5 might have been cut for the same reason.
The fact that they can now resurrect those lost bits, spend a little time to finish them, and offer them as DLC is a bonus.
It would be lovely if they were offered as free DLC, but if they took extra work to complete, I see no problem with a minimal fee for those who choose to add the DLC.
I'm with you Ben. People buy movies all the time and then they release Special Editions and Uncut editions and nobody complains. Games do it and all of a sudden the devs are ripping us off. If you paid $60 for RE5 then you're the idiot who doesn't read reviews. I got it for $15 from Amazon and I think it's worth every cent. This DLC stuff is simply an option. One that is not forced upon me, so, like all DLC, I won't buy it.
Afraid I must differ, knowing that they cut 2 hours out of a game (likely to fit a DVD)only to sell it back to you is a little more unsettling than knowing they cut 11 minutes of footage of people walking around or an extra explosion or a bit of blood from a movie.
Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 12/26/2009 5:32:09 PM
@ WEWM – That's an interesting point but I'll just say this:
Final Fantasy VII Advent Children
DVD = 101 minutes $11.50 on Amazon
Blu Ray = 126 minutes $22.50 on Amazon
25% more content $10 more. No one complaining.
RE5 = 8 hour game. 25% = 2 more hours of game and yet we get a bunch of complainers as if Capcom owes them something.
Last edited by Alienange on 12/26/2009 6:01:40 PM
''If you paid $60 for RE5 then you're the idiot who doesn't read reviews.''
Actually RE5 has good reviews and I'm sure the fans of the saga bought the game day one.
btw nobody is complaining about the dlc… the problem is this:
Both "Desperate Escape" and "Lost in Nightmares" were there but were then removed by the developers "to improve the pacing of the narrative."
@ Oxvial – The people I'm trying to address are the ones who complain that RE5 was too short. That this is somehow a rip off. The reviews clearly state that this is an eight hour game. If you don't read that and then buy a game only to complain later about it being too short, then yeah, I think it's stupid.
Your point about the "improve the pacing of the narrative" is what Ben is talking about. He's saying things get cut from games just like they would get cut from a movie. Why is that so wrong?
Some of us don't believe this is the truth. Considering the DVD was pretty much full, it's more likely it was with held due to storage issues which is equally lame. This should be free but this is the new Capcom, it's not suprising they're asking for more money. If this was brand new content that was done between the release and now then some coin might be warranted but not in this case.
Also, most of that extra cost for Advent Children Complete is because it's on blue ray, you know…
Last edited by Jawknee on 12/26/2009 8:38:09 PM
"most of that extra cost for Advent Children Complete is because it's on blue ray, you know"
A lot of retailers want you to believe that but have you seen what Disney has been handing out lately? BD, DVD and DVD with digital download copy all in the same package for $13.99 on release day.
Err I've never seen a Disney Blue Ray that cheap. Where do you shop?
Last edited by Jawknee on 12/26/2009 11:33:16 PM
Best Buy. The deal doesn't come from them though it comes through Disney's coupons. When there's a new release coming out just google for it. Take Up for example. I googled "Disney Up BD coupon" and it brings you to the Disney site that gets you the coupon. The coupons works at Best Buy and Wal-Mart. You just take the coupon to the store and they knock $10 off the price.
Last edited by Alienange on 12/27/2009 5:34:27 PM
this kinda practice in this gen is sick, i will give nothing to it. stop the DLC add-on thing and stop the new edition thing after 6 months of the original release.
i only buy one game for one title and i only care it for once and i want the full and best of it, please make sure it is done before you release. stop making different edition of the same game and re-release again and again. stop this trend.
Last edited by BigBoss4ever on 12/27/2009 12:27:09 AM
Some disney classics on regular DVD are $20. I've never seen a new disney blu-ray movie release for less than $15. If so, tell me, where DO YOU shop?
Best Buy but you can find the same prices at Wal-Mart and on Amazon. Remember, it's only through the use of the Disney discount coupons.
Last edited by Alienange on 12/27/2009 5:35:05 PM
I understand that sometimes stuff just doesn't make it into the game, but you cant tell me they weren't thinking of getting some extra dough when they made the decision to cut out the extras.
"Personally, I'm not quite ready to believe that. Games these days are just like movies; they must go through a zillion editing processes before they're finally complete and the sheer amount of content that must've been eliminated before DLC is probably mind-boggling.
Games ARE NOTHING like movies should stay that way. If anything attitudes like this pretty much demonstrate how the hollywoodization of the video game industry is destroying it.
As for DLC, its nothing but material diliberately cut from the game in the hopes of one day being resold to gamers too blind to know they are getting scammed. The end result is that they are foolishly paying $60 for games and ontop of that payout more money to these greed game developers.
As I said before, the whole DLC thing make the saying "a sucker is born every minute" very true. If anything its nice to know that when it come GT5 Kazunori-san is not planning to sucker gamers with DLC.
"Personally, I'm not quite ready to believe that. Games these days are just like movies; they must go through a zillion editing processes before they're finally complete and the sheer amount of content that must've been eliminated before DLC is probably mind-boggling.
Games ARE NOTHING like movies should stay that way. If anything attitudes like this pretty much demonstrate how the hollywoodization of the video game industry is destroying it.
As for DLC, its nothing but material diliberately cut from the game in the hopes of one day being resold to gamers too blind to know they are getting scammed. The end result is that they are foolishly paying $60 for games and ontop of that payout more money to these greed game developers.
As I said before, the whole DLC thing make the saying "a sucker is born every minute" very true. If anything its nice to know that when it come GT5 Kazunori-san is not planning to sucker gamers with DLC.
"Personally, I'm not quite ready to believe that. Games these days are just like movies; they must go through a zillion editing processes before they're finally complete and the sheer amount of content that must've been eliminated before DLC is probably mind-boggling.
Games ARE NOTHING like movies should stay that way. If anything attitudes like this pretty much demonstrate how the hollywoodization of the video game industry is destroying it.
As for DLC, its nothing but material diliberately cut from the game in the hopes of one day being resold to gamers too blind to know they are getting scammed. The end result is that they are foolishly paying $60 for games and ontop of that payout more money to these greed game developers.
As I said before, the whole DLC thing make the saying "a sucker is born every minute" very true. If anything its nice to know that when it come GT5 Kazunori-san is not planning to sucker gamers with DLC.
Capcom has to be one of the worst publishers as far as DLC goes (NIS is close 2nd). I love RE5, the co-op experience is really great, and it's one of my top 5 of the current gen games.I am almost heartbroken to hear that RE5 is involved in this now.
I flat out boycotted Street Fighter 4 because of how the stupid alternate costume DLC was handled. (short summary of it: weekly DLC schedule with a big discounted bundle in final week. All just really expensive unlock codes).
Unlockables should be unlocked in the game not with my wallet. It sucks to see more and more games doing this. If this (or any) content was meant to be in the release of the game, it should be free DLC. I don't care what reasons they have for leaving it out, it should be free.
If a game has legit new content to add, I don't mind paying a few bucks to get some more playability out of a game. But for just items or whatever, make it free please.
Its crap like this that creates piracy wheather it be movies, music or software, maybe if these companies stop trying to screw the populace for the all mighty dollar TORRENT site's and file share site's may become a thing of the past.