Yeah, yeah, we're PSX Extreme so of course we say Sony won. You say that, I instantly retort with a simple, "shut it." I'll tell you flat out who I thought won, as I've done in many years past when Sony clearly didn't win, but I think it was painfully obvious this year.
Look, here's the deal: content is all that matters in this industry. Without the content, which means we're talking about software, all you have are three really big paperweights. Granted, many more factors have come into play in the new generation, as systems like the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 are fully functional and massively capable multimedia devices. But at the end of the day, we own our systems so we can play the games we love, and as I've said many times before, Sony's software lineup greatly outstrips Microsoft's. Yes, one can claim that with the announcement of a Metal Gear Solid for the 360 and Project Natal, that alone might top Sony's conference in terms of a "wow" factor. But what are we really talking about here? The PS3 is getting Rising , too, and let's not forget that the PSP is also getting Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker . Furthermore, Sony's motion tech was every bit as impressive as Microsoft's in my eyes, and I'm not the type of guy that puts much stock in motion sensing.
The PSP Go! wasn't a huge announcement in my eyes, but it was big, and the exclusive lineup that continually pleasured our senses during Sony's conference was unmatched. I want Alan Wake as much as anyone and I buy every Halo they make (provided it's not a strategy game), but those presentations of Uncharted 2: Among Thieves , Final Fantasy XIV , MAG , The Last Guardian, and God of War III were incredible. And they didn't even go all out; we know that Heavy Rain , Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time and Gran Turismo 5 are also on the list, and all are guaranteed winners. Even besides the PSP Go!, the new software for Sony's handheld – Peace Walker , Gran Turismo , Resident Evil , etc. – was mighty impressive, and lest we forget, Microsoft doesn't have a portable unit. Getting back to the PS3, I almost rolled my eyes when I heard the name, "ModNation Racers," but after I saw the presentation and remembered what LittleBigPlanet brought to the table, I was immediately intrigued.
When all is said and done, we gamers look down the road and ask, "what will I be playing?" If I have to examine all three conferences and ask that question, the answer is a whole lot more fun to answer when I think about the PS3 and PSP, as opposed to the 360 or Wii. The latter…well, I guess they just don't bother with software for that system, anymore. They never really have after the first year, if people didn't notice. But anyway, even if FFXIV doesn't end up being exclusive, that was a surprise, and the rest of the software kept me excited throughout. This year, Sony wins. That's it. No debate. It was a big change from E3 2007, you know?
Project Natal was the Golden Egg in the 360 basket. Great but it has built in handicaps. Sony however brought their A game. Their jewel was a 3 way tie-God of War 3, GT5, and Uncharted 2. I nearly wet ma self…
No contest.
Last edited by Wage SLAVES on 6/5/2009 10:29:02 PM
well NATAL is fake and that MILO thing is FAKE too. since MS had no x360 games to show vs Uncharted they faked that milo thing
http://www.n4g.com/events_e32009/News-341245.aspx
Uncharted 2, GT5 and GOW3 alone are >>>entire lineup of CRAP BOX 360
Guys need to give credit where its due. All major press agree on that Microsoft's had the strongest show and for a number of reasons, not only for Natal.
All PS fans point to God Of War, GT5, Uncharted and Heavy Rain but what E3 left is that all of them, except one, are being pushed to 2010, whereas Microsoft unveiled a strong lineup for this year and the next.
This should give us a lesson and it's that the more one sings early victory each year (which Sony fans do systematically EVERY year) the bigger the crow plate is when Big shows prove one wrong.
Lets face it, Microsof took it with them and I hope the "OMGZ SONY WILL PWN T3H WROLD" comments don't start all over again in 2010.
Edit: To the article writter: I would bet money right now on that you would be writting how ridiculous MS motion controller was if Sony and MS switched sides and MS had to show up a Wiimote-like controller after Sony's Natal with depth sensor, multiarray microphone, camera, custom processor and software. Come on, Natal sweeps the floor with any other motion sense offering right now it's not even funny.
Last edited by Aquanox on 6/6/2009 4:44:57 AM
@Aquanox:
As I wrote as reply to another article; I don't believe Natal can track horizontal/vertical alignments like the Archery demo from Sony's motion controller.
This is the reason why I personally believe Sony's controller is better than Natal.
Your arguments about the camera and microphone are also moot, since the PS Eye already does all of that.
There's nothing about the software that Sony could not achieve if they partnered up with someone like MS did.
What technical argument let you think Natal can't do that? It has a camera just like Eye Toy, but in addition, it has a depth sensor, which Eye Toy lacks. If we're to talk about precision, Natal is miles beyond and doesn't only track horizontal and vertical alignment but also the distance between you and the camera.
Yes, the Eye Toy is hardware from the previous generation. Compare with the PSEye that've been around for a couple of years now and project natan does everything that PSEye does.
All motion sensor controllers are for the casual gamers… we, the people who love gaming, to comment on gaming sites and finding gaming info, won't be using this controllers, at least for the next couple of years when those turn to be the standard.
Aquanox: The technical reason that leads me to believe this is the fact that without a gyroscope (or some of the most advanced piece of software in the world), it has no way of knowing whether your hand is tilted left, right, etc…
Or worse, what about the neutral position? Palm with fingers facing up..?
No, precision and the more advanced physics require gyroscopes, and this is where Natal fails and Sony's motion controllers with the PS Eye succeeds.
Besides, the PS Eye itself was never supposed to have depth sensors. That's what the motion controllers are for.
Natal simply incorporates depth sensor into the camera (lol @ someone walking in front of you while playing?), whereas Sony don't want to sacrifice precision for "wow factor".
Last edited by Belazor on 6/6/2009 12:43:58 PM
Unchated 2 and MAG are coming out this year. And what is Natal? It is just a jacked up PSEye. It is funny how MS said this is the first true motion sensor, when PS has had the Eye for years.
@AQUANOX
OMG this XBOT is here too. Guys he was banned from PSU. he is the biggest xbot in the world.
MS won E3???
The only thing MS could ever win is RROD.
Project MILO was FAKE and the entire lineup of crap box 360 looked underwhelming
@BEN
please ban this BOT aquanox
Haha. Anyone see the asian girl try to jump while playing that ball game? Her avatar can't get off the ground, and paint? Let's be honest, I don't want to make an elephant with my best friends manhood in my face. Aqua go to an xbox fan site and spew your load on them because here is one place you just CAN'T win.
@aquanox.
The only thing good for Natel is party games. Have fun jumping up and down in front of your screen in your living room. Natel just doesn't have the precision to use in games like Oblivion, which every PS fan thought of when Sony showed the tech demo of the guy in armor holding a shield and sword. With Sony's motion you can sit down and still play games in a 3d space. That the difference between the 2. With Sony you are using motion controllers to control whats on screen, with Natel you have to use your whole body. One thing MS fans don't like to do is to stand up and move after eating 10 pizza's.
Which of the 2 will be more acurate and have more precision in a Tiger Woods game?
So MS fanboy, I hope you look forward to all those Wii type party games to come to your 360. This isn't MS trying to create a whole new genre or having an advancement on gameplay very much like Sony is. This is MS hoping to do what the Wii does and compete with them in that market, which they'll get their ass kicked in.
Last edited by bamf on 6/7/2009 10:20:53 AM
wasim always makes me LMAO!
We all know the ps3 is great but the way you keep attacking xbox 360 is just hilarious,lol.
As Wasim said before he went haywire in is second comment, project natal was somewhat fake, well not natal,but their milo presentation was, as even the lionhead director said it was a trick. Apparently you have to train the thing to your 500 words used most frequently otherwise he just smile, frowns, and blinks at you. if you think everythign else in the milo presentation was new and exciting (such as the paper scan) well then you should see sony's pseye doing it with the game eye pet [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_6mn3RVavE] other stuff such as the interface movement, well we know the pseye can do if programmed alon with the xbox vision camera. The only thing that is new is the full body capture and movement. Cool at first, but who else but a 3-5 year old is going to jump around in front of a tv for more than 10 mins (5 mins really). also those demos they displayed i the trailer for project natal just didn't seem real to me, i mean the ones in the trailer were very crisp and refined like actual games, but then they shoed us a ball game. makes me think they were BSing. also the microsoft reps careful choice of words, "what you saw is a small glimps of our vision" or something to that effect, emphasis on the word "vision" not really a reality yet. as for figthing that martial artist i wonder if you could just hit hime with a bat, his movement were also kinda slow (thats just me picking on the actual..err..virtual martial artist). anyway, i liked the idea of the interface i thought it was cool, but Sony could do it too if they wanted. And voice recognition is all software anyway
What difference does it make who wins. That is what we all need to get away from. This console war thing sucks. That is why most of my posts are objective about all systems. All systems have good games that everyone should play on all systems they can. Get away from all this fanboy crap on all sides. Everything is always all about who won this or that or who has the best ect… Stop the insanity!!!!
Last edited by crawdaddy on 6/5/2009 10:28:10 PM
E3 IS a competition, plain and simple.
Crawdaddy are you just ButtHurt Microsoft didn't win.
Why would we focus on the other systems and their games here if this is a Playstation oriented site!?Almost Every one here comes to talk Playstation and nothing else since this is psxe so obviously the writers are not going to focus on whatever 360&Wii got.
It doesn't matter Crawdaddy, you win with that avatar.
Console wars are great, especially when you're winning !
Agreed (partly). Although the PS3 is my preferred system I enjoy the 360 and once a year the Wii too. As I always say this is a great time to be a gamer!!!!
Without the competition and driving force from the fans, I doubt any of the consoles would be what they are now.
Last edited by CrazyIrishBoy on 6/7/2009 1:35:15 PM
I think one would be hard pressed to find a level headed individual who disagrees. Even in the motion department MS really only had a promo video on how it supposed to work, Sony's tech demo actually functioned whereas Microsoft's had trouble showing the bottom of a shoe.
Agent is a guaranteed smash coming from Rockstar and anyone who says they don't want GOWIII has problems. The GT5 vid made Forza look cartoony, and on and on and on… Even MS loving G4 had to admit the Sony booth was the jumpin-est.
Kevin and Adam reaction was quite something when Jack Trenton finished the Sony presentation, they rushed the "God of War 3" demo right where they were hosting. That quick demo of "Uncharted 2" was out of this world.
It was like they were taking notes at the Microsoft presser and just hit them back at each point. From Natal to their own motion controller, "Splinter Cell" to "Agent", Forza 3 to both GT5 and GT mobile, Metal Gear Rising to a true Metal Gear sequel only for the PSP and in my opinion that "Assassin's Creed 2" demo blew the "Rockband: Beatles" demo out of the water.
The only people I feel bad for was Nintendo fans DS gets all the love and the Wii get leftovers.
Thought Sony's show was great, packed with a lot of great games to show, but the presentation itself could have used a little more "oomph" I think.
Slightly off-topic, but I gotta ask: did anyone else find the appearance of the (remaining) Beatles and their widows at MS's press conference a bit useless? Sure, they brought some "star-power" to the show in terms of presentation, but they didn't really add anything at all – if Paul McCartney actually performed or something, then it would have been different.
@Dragonsphere:
Yup, I noticed that too.
And besides that….. Ringo couldn't wait to do a 20 yard dash to leave.
And Paul just looked totally bewildered with everything.
Such a shame, that is just Not the way I wanted to remember any of the Beatles!
And I could care less that Yoko was even there at all.
To me, she will always be nothing more than an un-talented screaming banshee that married a Beatle & rode his coatails into 15 minutes of fame. In fact, the only thing she ever did that impressed me was with the naked album cover.
Last edited by BikerSaint on 6/7/2009 10:27:32 PM
This is a competition and the winner made a clear dash for the finish. Not only does sony have the best line-up but it also has the most potential I used to own a 360 checked the live market every week not a damn thing worth my time, then ps3 came into my life and every week she had another gift for me. And I haven't looked back now personally I still see a gem or two in the 360 line up but when I think of the future I see that silver logo PS3.
Ben, I'm glad that the ModNation Racers presentation got you interested, I thought it looked awesome. Playstation hasn't had a really good cart racer since Crash Team Racing in my opinion. I think this game will fill that void and more, it looks incredible.
ModNation Racers looks so awesome to me.. out of all the new unheard of sony exclusives, FFXIV and MNR are my most anticipated..
cant wait to make a awesome map on MNR… wonder how high you can go.. (Tower of babbel anyone?? lol)
I was thinking an Uncharted level, maybe with a jump off a submarine and a gold statue to drive around. Or a Toy Story level around Andy's room. Or something based on Twisted Metal, or Ghostbusters, or a Jurassic park track. There are so many courses I'd wanna make…
the xbox fanboy still think they win via Nathal Project LOL its so fun when they say that after trashing the wii and call themselves hardcore players .
I'd say Sony win via PS3 and PSP software come on via handheld Sony has exclusive Resident Evil and Metal Gear .
Out of all the Natal crap at e3… Milo scares the sh!t out of me… lol reminds me of skynet… m$ will create the first true AI Android you just watch…
Last edited by Gregory Freeman on 6/6/2009 12:34:04 AM
mordakai: M$ can barely write decent NON-AI software…unless you're counting them buying out more companies far more capable than they are. 🙂
hahaha.
who else was laughing like crazy when that girl with the lisp went up and talked about facebook and twitter on x360?!?!
i'm sorry if that's rude, i mean, i think the facebook concept is cool and all… but i couldn't help but laugh every time she said facebook. lol. or other select words in her speech.
its definitely worth watching again if you missed it the first time (although unlikely).
i also liked how sony didn't feel the need to bring a load of "celebs" or whatever on stage. i prefer to hear a little bit about the game first.. i didn't like how MS just "skipped the talking" and played videos back to back. Alan Wake was definitely the best game coming out of MS's conference. that game looked sweet.
and that guy in ms's conference that introduced natal looked like one sly SOB. he was the guy that said, "we finally have snake on the xbox," and then kojima looked at him like "WTF are you talking about man?!" haha. i just couldn't find myself to trust anything that guy was saying. he seemed like a real snake-in-the-grass type of guy…
anywaaayyy…..
sony's conference felt more professional and the speakers were more…. inviting? idk. i like how he realized everyone was cheering at hannah montana. haha.
Last edited by Swim_Irr on 6/6/2009 12:56:18 AM
That's wrong dude lol. I found her lissssssp cute. Only thing I didn't like was the fact sony threw up a video montage of games coming soon but no title next to them. Other then that, this years E3 wasssss fun.
Last edited by Bo0mKiiD on 6/6/2009 2:19:34 AM
Dude she is awesome! I love "The Guild!" It is hilarious…if you have ever played an MMORPG like FF11, WoW, or EverQuest then you should definitly watch it. HILARIOUS!
Facebook and Twitter on 360 was pointless IMO, can't they just visit the pages in the 360 web-browser.
Oh yeah…………..
Last edited by cLoudou on 6/6/2009 1:57:40 AM
exactly
LOL After they announced Last.fm (is that right?), I checked: yep, there it is via the PS3 browser. I even got a bunch of free mp3s.
p.s. Sony needs to fix the browser; it's so unstable, you'd think MS made it.
Last edited by Fane1024 on 6/6/2009 2:30:59 AM
PS3 firefox! We should make a petition 😀
Ben you are 100% correct in my book, it's all about content. Sony's content is concrete solid, they have the most polished content easily. I was so happy listening to sony's confrence I couldn't beilive people were saying ms's was better, it shocked me… I was watching the content not looking for a "shocker" but I do feel Agent had plenty of wow factor.
Infact ms was so desperate for a lineup they announced left 4 dead 2 not a year after the first, which started a petition among angry gamers.
As for the ps eye, we will have the eye pet long before project natal and sony's wands, and I feel sony's wand are much more logical
at this stage and they could always improve on the eye later if needed.
I'm officially renaming "Left 4 Dead 2" as "Left 4 Dead Again".
[sarcasm]well, when there's a contest, xbots can never lose!![/sarcasm] [truth]even when their E3 show wasn't all that great…[/truth]
Microsoft showed fewer games (exclusive or otherwise) for the 360 than Sony showed for the PSP. They did try to make up for it by starting early, presumably so that Paul and Ringo could catch their flights… Microsoft had some big names on stage, the pity was, they were celebrities and not games. Granted there are some good games coming, Alan Wake for example, but the rest of the line up is very, very Meh! Microsoft tried to make a silk purse from the sow's ear of not having an Internet browser and so had to explicitly add front ends for Facebook, Twitter and Internet Radio. I guess they are afraid to expose the 360 to the load of running IE8? Their motion control was not all that live, or interactive and Prenatal care might be appropriate for Project Natal considering how little of it looked ready for prime time.Sky Tv and more Netflix…yadda …yadda…Microsoft is, and always has been more interested in trying to grab control in your living room than in offering great games.
Sony showed up with games galore. So many that they just couldn't fit them all in. The PSP boasts a more impressive game line up than the 360, and the new model is all download, no UMD – if I had a dollar for every time someone said "If only Sony would drop UMD…." I'd be able to retire. PS3 continues to grow it's line up of exclusive titles and unique titles. Titles range to all genre, and then the bombshells start to drop. MGS Rising isn't exclusive, there's be a new MGS game on PSP, and FFXIV is exclusive (on consoles) to PS3. God of War III impresses and Uncharted is literally off the charts. Sony really set the pace by showing game after game. Unlike Microsoft, they didn't waste time and have celebrity cameo's to use yet more time, they let the games speak, and showed things live. Then their motion control displayed a precision and control clearly lacking in Microsoft's demo, and Showed everything working now, not tomorrow. All this and still no date for GT, no Heavy Rain, no Ratchet, no PS3 slim, no price cut, no….well there were lots of things we already know/knew about and Sony had so much to show, that they had to leave lots out. Sony is all about games and using the games to drive console purchases. It's not about controlling the living room it's about offering the best content, and letting the consumer decide what happens in their living room.
Finally Nintendo showed a very poor line up of coming titles and seemed content to talk about Wii Fit Plus and the new sensor accessory. The new sensor accessory looks like a pulse/O2 finger meter as you will see in many medical establishments. Considering the lack luster delivery, the muted colors and the almost medical nature of their new accessory and the health focus of Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus, it seems as though Nintendo no longer wants to do games, but rather wants to do something in medicine or health. Perhaps a merger with Homemedics? Either way, and all joking aside, Nintendo really showed very little at E3, and had little of anything to talk about. Like Sony, no sign of a price cut, despite a clear slowing of sales of the wonder-console. Where do Nintendo go next? What are their aims? What's their strategy? Unlike Microsoft and Sony, it's hard to really get a handle on this with Nintendo.
In the end, Microsoft seems to have showed drastically fewer games, and fewer major games than at previous E3 shows, their emphasis seems to have been more on other services and accessories.
Sony brought games, games and more games. They obviously believe that games are what sell game consoles, and so they're delivering games. I believe this is a very powerful tactic because it puts control into the hands of the consumer buying the games.
Nintendo appears to have lost their way utterly. It's almost like they didn't expect to sell so many Wii, and don't quite know what to do now.
I do think Sony had the stronger presentation this year. More games, better range of games and genre. Games for hand held and home console. At the end of the day, being a gamer is about games, so there's really no other measure that you can use to determine who 'won' – games.
@Arnold/Ben – I think highlander wants a job.
No Thanks. Got too much on my plate as it is. LOL!
I agree with what you said Highlander.
"FFXIV is exclusive (on consoles)"
wut i find stupid, is when halo 2 and gears of war were the main system exclusives for the xbox, they were also on pc, and every xbot said they are exclusive to xbox, bcuz sony's ps3 doesn't have em, dispite the fact that it's on more then 1 platform. but when we get one like that, they are quick to snap back by saying "Quit calling it exclusive!! whether you like it or not, its on 2 platforms, hence not an exclusive, SO STOP!!!" <<(Actual Youtube Comment BTW)
the same kinda stuff happened between ps2 and xbox and then ps3 and 360:
ps2:came 1 yr earlier
ps2:had mostly 2 pilot exclusives (gta3,GOW)
xbox:blamed its failure on the 1 yr difference…
Xbox:mocked the fact that the system (at the time) had only 2 pilot exclusives..
Ps3:Came one year late
Ps3:had a lack of games.
360:Laughed in sony's face that they came 1 yr late.
360: still to this day, only has 2 pilot exclusives.. (halo3, GOW2) and defend them to the end of the world..
see the Hippocracy??
Last edited by Gregory Freeman on 6/6/2009 12:53:51 PM
The games are the most important part of the conferences, but there are other factors, and I think Sony delivered on all sides. If they hadn't announced their motion controls, I think project Natal would have stolen the show for MS, even if Sony had more games.
Because in my opinion whoever gets more people excited and talking is who won.
And the stuff about Natal and Milo being fake, isn't true. A lot of sites took Milo for a spin.
I'm sure it will be more than 3 years before we see a full game using the technology.
If Sony would have shown footage of Agent, it would have won it hands-down. But now MS fanboys have some arguments about Natal winning it for MS.
Fanboys Stick will always have something to say no matter what. The way I look at it is when enough evidence is on a criminal to put him away for life, the case is all but over. Sony's presentation had enough evidence (even more then it could present due to time limitations) in the area of top quality exclusive game titles, that it proved that no matter what celebrities or gimmicks Microsoft could get on the stage, they still ended up getting owned by Sony's show.
Microsofts Natal was so off in it's motion sensing on stage when that developer speaking (drug addict looking dude) moved his body around and the MicroWii Avatar took a crap fit all over the screen. "This is what the bottom of my shoe looks like," and the Avatar's arms and legs went flopping all over the place. I cried laughing at that. How embarrasing.
Then that girl playing that dodgeball game looked like she had a gerbil up her butt. LMAO. OMG a drunk person doesn't even look that funny.
Then with that Party Paint demo could you imagine how stupid that would be to have you're buddy or girlfriend (could be kinda kinky in a way with you're girlfriend) with their face in your butt to make the other half of the elephant. In the end that painting looked like something a 2 yr old would make.
Sony's version of a spray paint can demo with their motion controllers actually was amazing compared to 360's Party Paint. (MS actually are starting to sound like Wii now in their software names). That Natal won't be able to play sword or fighting games where you have to be precise with aiming or anything with guns or swords or stuff as their is no buttons like Sony's controllers will have to fire your guns and stuff. What are you gonna have to say, "Shoot, shoot, shoot", every time you wanna fire a gun. I just see quite a few areas where it will be limited.
At the end when that dorky looking Don Mattrick came on stage and announced the non Metal Gear game announcement and had Hideo Kojima tap him on the shoulder must of been embarrasing for the Father of MGS to have to play that part. Bet Hideo just cringed having to be out there. Too bad Rising is no original MGS game that we as Playstation fans enjoyed. He's even giving his youngters the tasks of making the game. It won't be his brilliance behind it. Glad Hideo's roots and passions are with the Playstation brand. Well I guess Microsoft threw him a cool million to do that skit like they did for the Beatles and Spielberg and stuff.
Microsoft were trying to be so Hollywood like, they really didn't focus on what E3 was about. Amazing Games/Tech. By filling in all those gaps with celebrities and freak shows, they really proved that they had not much to show and that is the conclusion I came to with MS's show.
Nintendo was dry as the desert that is all I can say. Mario Galaxy 2 and that Metroid were all they had.
Sony on the other hand won hands down with so much amazing exclusives on top of exclusives that time kept them from showing them all. If it wasn't due to time restraints, they probably could of gone on for hours more. Sony won hands down. No need to say anymore.
Last edited by HOODGE on 6/6/2009 4:37:06 AM
I was kinda dissapointed with Sony because only two release dates were mentioned, at this rate all the exclusives will arrive next year and history repeats itself.