Editorial: Sony And Microsoft Switch FPS/RPG Roles
So, has anybody else noticed this?
The comparison between the two generations begins with the PS2/Xbox generation. During that time, there were a variety of reasons to own both systems - there are always reasons to own a successful video game platform - and for most avid gamers, those reasons were obvious. The Xbox was the more powerful console and its relatively familiar hardware was similar to PC, which paved the way for many great FPSs. And we're not only talking about exclusives like Halo; we're also talking about most all multiplatform FPSs, which were typically best played on the Xbox. In general, multiplatform games really were slightly better on Microsoft's machine, simply due to the ease of development and the added power the PS2 didn't offer.
At the same time, the PS2 was following closely in the footsteps of the original PlayStation and attempting to steal the original console's crown of "King of the RPGs." If you were an RPG fan, there's no way on earth you could only own a Xbox; the PS2 was an essential piece of equipment. And because the vast majority were exclusive to that system, role-playing fans simply didn't have any other alternative. It went far beyond the Final Fantasy franchise - as any avid RPG follower knows - and despite Square-Enix and other developers tossing the occasional bone to Microsoft and Nintendo, we RPG fanatics knew the truth of things. If you didn't have a PS2, you simply weren't a fan of the RPG. We could factor in other genres at this point, but let's just say the PS2 had a far bigger and more diverse library.
Now, fast forward to the new generation. This time, Sony has the most powerful machine, and despite the massive installed user base of its predecessor, the PS3 has to start from behind. This reversed role shouldn't really have any effect on the software, but the power reversal may have had some impact. Look at the situation now: we have no idea if Bungie will do a Halo 4 (doesn't appear to be the case), and the two biggest FPSs on the horizon are PS3 exclusive: Resistance 2 and Killzone 2. They're also franchises, which means sequels are almost inevitable. On the flip side, RPG fans are looking around going, "hey...where are the RPGs?" Yeah, they're not here, but check out the Xbox 360. Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and the upcoming Infinite Undiscovery and Star Ocean 4.
...what the heck happened? Suddenly, two genres that are almost polar opposites of each other (just don't tell that to Deus Ex) are suddenly represented very differently on this generation's consoles from Sony and Microsoft. Everything is all switched about! Many will argue they'd still rather play FPSs on the 360 due to the "better controller," but that's becoming more and more of an opinion rather than fact, and let's not talk about The Orange Box. That's just Valve and EA being lazy in regards to the PS3. Furthermore, in regards to multiplatform games, it's becoming inevitable that PS3 versions of games will be better than their 360 counterparts before long. The PS3 is simply the more powerful machine and now that designers are beginning to use the system as their debut development console, the day of the crappy 360-to-PS3 port is just about gone.
So, as far as I can see, the software roles for the PS3 and 360 have switched, at least so far as the FPS/RPG comparison. It's kind of bizarre, actually. I'm sitting here with both systems, and I'm anxiously looking forward to several potentially awesome FPSs for the PS3 and several potentially awesome RPGs for the 360...and the whole thing is just weird. Who'd a thunk it?
8/22/2008 Ben Dutka
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Mista
Friday, August 22, 2008 @ 11:47:46 PM
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Aftab
Friday, August 22, 2008 @ 11:54:39 PM
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Fatcat3788
Friday, August 22, 2008 @ 11:56:37 PM
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My biggest fear is that, in attempt to appeal to a more western audience, traditional RPG's will slowly die out and RPG's will all be action oreinted. While I agree that those RPG's are awesome when done right (i.e. Mass Effect, Monster Hunter, Kingdom Hearts) they just aren't the same as some of the best RPG's out there. (i.e. FF1-FF10, Suikoden, Xenogears, Chrono Trigger) I pray that those developers don't forget their heritage...
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 12:42:41 AM
This is why Lost Odyssey was a beacon of light for me in this new generation. And, I'm hoping, Infinite Undiscovery will be another one...but they're both on the 360, which just goes back to my article. ;)
ffrulez
Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 6:18:10 AM
My favourite is 10 but I actually really like 12 and 9 and a lot of people dont like 9 or 12 i know that. it follows on the traditional idea. i really hope square-enix doesnt become westernised. i just think fanboys should give it a rest otherwise games will just be fps fps fps fps because the audience of fanboys is fps. rpgs are for the more lengthy gamers, the gamers who enjoy gaming and dont spend most of their time arguing which console is best when in fact it is real fact that ps3 is better. no question about it. its blantantly obvious.
so in other words rpgs may turn fps on us (thats what ff13 looks like in the trailers) and become action/adventure like.
and yeah, when it all comes down to it, their success was because of their heritage.
eg. the year 1987= first metal gear, first final fantasy, first zelda. basic ideas, successful games, successful series'.
ffrulez
Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 6:18:25 AM
My favourite is 10 but I actually really like 12 and 9 and a lot of people dont like 9 or 12 i know that. it follows on the traditional idea. i really hope square-enix doesnt become westernised. i just think fanboys should give it a rest otherwise games will just be fps fps fps fps because the audience of fanboys is fps. rpgs are for the more lengthy gamers, the gamers who enjoy gaming and dont spend most of their time arguing which console is best when in fact it is real fact that ps3 is better. no question about it. its blantantly obvious.
so in other words rpgs may turn fps on us (thats what ff13 looks like in the trailers) and become action/adventure like.
and yeah, when it all comes down to it, their success was because of their heritage.
eg. the year 1987= first metal gear, first final fantasy, first zelda. basic ideas, successful games, successful series'.
BigBoss4ever
Monday, September 15, 2008 @ 4:43:03 AM
Knightedrik
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 12:26:36 AM
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BigBoss4ever
Monday, September 15, 2008 @ 4:55:40 AM
Scarecrow
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 12:31:11 AM
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I love me some shooting games, but the overload is really alienating rpg fans which by in large where loyal to the Playstation brand just for that.
We'll see, 'till ATLUS, NIS, Sega, and others don't let go of the ps2 it might take a while.
And of course the biggest reason for this drought is Microsoft paying these rpg companies to keep it exclusive.
And Sony seems to think that all ps3 fans all care 'bout shooting games more than they do 'bout rpgs. This is the notion that is really hurting Sony sometimes.
AceTatsujin
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 12:42:30 AM
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I'm liking what's going on now. Big games are coming on the PS3, big titles, huge exclusives, and non-exclusives and the Developers are starting to scratch, no .. nevermind, they already started to scratch the surface. Resistance 2 looks amazing, deep graphics, and Killzone 2 is on Call of Duty 4's toes, which in many people's opinion, it is still the best FPS right now ... but Killzone 2 seems very promising to take CoD4's crown off ... who knows.
Now that the PS3 is getting some nice RPGs this year and next year, we're going to see some great ones that will live on and some will never play it on other consoles. Valkyria Chronicles, White Knight Chronicles, Last Sonata with Exclusive content only to the PS3, .. you still have the FF XIII and it is developed for the PS3, you have Versus XIII and Last Remnant and possibly SO4 ... I have a feeling SE is going to have some exclusive content for us on SO4 but thats just my sixth sense. And never, ever, ever forget about the awesome RPG games coming on the PSP ... =) And the games that already came out. FF VII: Crisis Core, FFT: WotL, Jeanne d'Arc (freaking awesome game), and Disgaea (PSP).
Just on the side note, working on the PS3 is tough work, but with this much experience digging into the PS3 ... don't you think it looks good on the Resume? Which would look better ... "I worked on the 360's platform" or "I worked on the PS3 platform" on developing games? ... We all know the PS3 is a tougher one, and building experience is a plus because who knows what the next consoles will be like!
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 12:46:44 AM
BigBoss4ever
Monday, September 15, 2008 @ 5:01:28 AM
BigT_1980
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 1:43:11 AM
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Ultimadream
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 1:49:25 AM
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ffrulez
Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 1:16:46 AM
Advent Child
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 2:54:49 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 10:20:57 AM
I will say that game had some of the finest writing in video game history, insofar as those dreams were concerned. The actual game writing and dialogue wasn't anywhere near as good, though, which is why I have to assume someone entirely different handled those dreams. They were excellent.
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AceTatsujin
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 3:18:45 AM
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ffrulez
Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 6:23:39 AM
and just for the records, i dont own any fps games besides delta force 2 for pc.
my first may be battlefield bad company
orangpelupa
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 8:58:59 AM
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Reccaman18
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 1:48:54 PM
Minishmaru
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 12:09:50 PM
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juuken
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 12:14:20 PM
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Just because the 360 is getting rpg's doesn't mean that the PS3 is left dead in the water. The PS3 doesn't have *all* shooters. You want racing? You have Grand Turiso and Motorstorm. You want adventure? You have games like Uncharted. The PS3 is barely two years old and the 360 is bordering on four years.
I wouldn't spell doom and gloom yet.
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 1:13:22 PM
Minishmaru
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 12:21:03 PM
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The_Chimeran
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 1:26:05 PM
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phade2blaq
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 5:53:06 PM
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Knightedrik
Saturday, August 23, 2008 @ 8:09:50 PM
Most of the damn FPS's (that suck) released recently, have been coming from companies that rarely released games for the PS2.. like Sierra, Codemasters, and Sega. Hell, before the PS3 launch the last time I heard of Codemasters releasing a game, it was a mini-micro machines games.
rpg4me
Sunday, August 24, 2008 @ 11:58:15 AM
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vampko
Sunday, August 24, 2008 @ 3:34:13 PM
BigBoss4ever
Monday, September 15, 2008 @ 5:10:31 AM
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Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 12:27:44 AM
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ffrulez
Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 1:06:36 AM
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Everyone with at leaast half a brain knows that PS3 is better than the Xbox 360 in all technological areas, so it is more than capable of the supreme graphics and supreme RPGs.
I find it very funny how people actually think that 360 has better graphics: they only compare multiplatform games.
What I'm saying is that what PS3 has done with other genres, it can do it with RPGs as well..
and this is coming from someone who has played Final Fantasy 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,X-2,12 and a few other random FFs.
I'm suprised 360 has survived this far. and i find it very ironic with people who think the 360 is better.
the 360 was made to be like Big Boss in mgs4: a status of an idol riddled with outright lies.
if u have seen and played mgs4 the whole way through, u will know why ps3 is such an awesome console...
and just to clear another thing up: the install times are because hdd is faster than even blu-ray. and because of compression levels making mgs4 impossible to play on disc alone.
and its ironic: fps= american xbox 360= american rpg= japanese ps3= japanese
LowKii
Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 3:23:50 AM
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ffrulez
Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 6:31:40 AM
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CptGreedle
Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 8:55:58 AM
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Even FFXIII is not exclusive.
As a fan of the PlayStation brand, I LOVE the PS3, the capabilities and the power, as well as the innovative games coming out.
But as a fan of RPGs I am tempted to dip into the 360, but the ongoing reports of the RROD and other serious issues, as well as its lack of Blu-ray and such are really keeping me at bay.
I love all the games I have on the PS3, and I don't want to spend more money on a second console and an HDMI switch box. I just hope that SONY does get more RPGs on their system soon, fans like me are feeling left out and it hurts.
Laguna
Monday, August 25, 2008 @ 11:24:09 AM
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JRPGS are dying and soon all there will be is the mainstream JRPGS like Final Fantasy.
Hell, even Final Fantasy went downhill.
Im saying goodbye to my beloved collection of RPGS. I will tresure them because they are the last of its kind. The West now has dominance in the gaming industry, and so JRPGS will be making their way here less and less.
All we need is another crash for Japan to give us the good stuff again!!!!!!!!!!!
Dont mind my negativity, Im just letting go of RPGS, im going to give in to the action and shooter games...generic but fun when they want to be.
ffrulez
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 @ 4:14:20 AM
lets just hope we at least get some multiplatform rpgs.
and ive seen Fable 2 graphics which were sposed to be the best for 360...
they pretty much look like elder scrolls 4: oblivion.
BigBoss4ever
Monday, September 15, 2008 @ 5:17:45 AM
cegmp
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 @ 3:15:55 AM
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ffrulez
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 @ 4:17:45 AM
NetheRealm
Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 2:05:32 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 15, 2008 @ 3:48:56 AM
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BigBoss4ever
Monday, September 15, 2008 @ 4:39:49 AM
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At the same time, I always agree with many PSers calling xbox as shitbox. However, recently, mainly because dying for real JRPGs on next-gen consoles and due to the price cut of xbox 360 (which I still feel very guilty about it), I purchased a basic 360 arcade console just to play a few xbox exclusive JRPG titles, and I got the LOST Odyssey. It is the best JRPG on that console, and in my opinion, that game has Sakaguchi as its creater, and Umaetsu as its music composer, that is a REAL final fantasy under the disguise of another name. It can easily be titled as Final Fantasy -- Lost Odyssey, or simplly called Lost Fantasy (lol sorry about my making up). and it SHOULD really be released on PS3 and I cam guarantee you it will ROCK in PS3 world! Sadly, such a title has gone to xbox 360 exclusive and it is a "tragedy" to loyal SONY and PS3 owners. ( i still consider myself a loyal PSers and I still have my hope, but just frustrated about the drought of JRPG on PS3). such is my opinion. The addition of a Sonata, hopefully in all sincerity, is the beginning of the end of the drought of great classic JRPGs on PS3( known as the best console on this planet).
BTW, to BEN, Lost Odyssey has achieved what you called in your MGS4 revolutionary aritle the glory of literature, since in its "ne Thousand Years of Dreams", basically a compiled eletronic book well written as close to poetry supported by emotions, deep implication of human mistakes and saddly-beatuiful music, showing and telling us about what an eternally tortured soul went through during his immortal life. This is such a powerful way to deliver the emotions and its impact on gamers mind is unpresedented. Just incrediblly powerful game, if you have played the game or heard about it from your friends, you will know what I am talking about.
Lastly, Salute to MGS series, salute to Kojima as Big Boss's last salute to The Boss --- that is the greatest game seiries ever made by mankind and the greatest story ever told in video game history, period. :)

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